Possible TCF Beer Garden that has U support?

[mplsbadger]

personally, i hope they put it somewhere without direct visibility of the field and have no tv's showing the game. i don't want people hanging in the beer garden all afternoon and therefore not in their seats cheering on our gophers to victory.

Carrying this to its logical conclusion, you should lobby for them to close the gates at kickoff, remove the heaters from the bathroom, and only open concessions at half time. Why the obsession with other people's choices?

 

[GoAUpher]

i wouldn't worry yourself too much about it. don't sweat the details all the time. although, i know that is tough for you sometimes. ;-)

Sometimes?

To be fair, I don't think it'll be a factor. No legislators cared that The Barn and Mariucci had the horribly "unequal" arrangement before and I doubt they'll worry about forcing a fix for it now.

 

[supadupafly]

Carrying this to its logical conclusion, you should lobby for them to close the gates at kickoff, remove the heaters from the bathroom, and only open concessions at half time. Why the obsession with other people's choices?

obsession with other's choices? what in the world are you talking about? i simply said i would hope it isn't a set-up that would potentially deter some people from spending time in their seats and cheering on OUR squad. if that is somehow a deep OBSESSION with everyone's choices, well okay. whatever you say.

 

[Maroon]

You are watching amateur athletes. If you can't go 4 hours without having alcohol, you have a problem and need treatment. Why should we stop at college games? Should they start selling beer at HS football games too? How about Little League? Piano recitals? Can't sit through Timmy's t-ball game without a brewski in your hand?

A university should not be in the business of selling alcohol to its own students, regardless of whether they are of legal age or not. The purpose of a university is to educate, not inebriate. If available to the suites only, it is true that some University students would undoubtedly be sold alcohol by the University, but they would be a select few and would have paid handsomely for the privilege. Under no circumstances should a university be selling alcohol to its own students when the barrier they had to overcome was a $10 (or less) ticket to a football game.

It is good to be a trailblazer and start a trend in some aspects, but being the first to sell alcohol to the general student population, at a university function, on university property, is not one of them. There are many reasons why not a single Big Ten university sells alcohol to the general student population at university events.

I think this whole part is just a bunch of horse manure. Every single part of it.

 

[dpodoll68]

I think this whole part is just a bunch of horse manure. Every single part of it.

How so? Provide a counterargument.

 

[Deleted_User]

I'm guessing the bill going through will allow but not mandate a beer garden. Thus I would bet it will be several years if ever before the U does that. They definitely want it in the suites, and that is probably where it would stay for at least the near future.

Secondly, I thought Williams, old Mariucci and Memorial all sold beer until the late 80's, or am I wrong on that? Didn't most college stadiums sell alcohol in the 70's and 80's? Heck, didn't the U have Budweiser or Miller as an official sponsor for a while during that time? I thought it was late 80's when the NCAA put pressure on schools not to sell alcohol at games.

DPODOLL - I respectfully disagree with your sentiment that the U of MN should never sell alcohol to the general student public. I would state that if they do, it needs to be in a controllable manner (a beer garden where you have to be of age to enter, must not leave with any beverages, patrolled by cops, etc.). But I would certainly say that there is no way that the general concession stands should be selling it because it's not controllable - who knows where that beer will end up after it leaves the booth. But as long as it is done responsibly and legally, I don't see any conflict.

They did sell it. This is nothing new. They sold beer regularly at CMU as well. Nothing new under the sun.

 

[Maroon]

You're making sh*t up again. I said that people who can't go 4 hours without alcohol need treatment. That is a fact and is pretty clear to anyone.

If you want to rip me on something, rip me on my equating people who think they absolutely must have beer at college football games to alcoholics.

You're really, really terrible at this.

But you're the one who created this straw man argument, one that suggests people have said they CAN'T go without beer for four hours. No one said they can't. They just said they don't see a good reason in their opinion why they shouldn't be able to legally purchase a beer. You disagree. That's fine. But you demean them as people needing treatment when they never said that to begin with. And then you escalate your hyperbole to suggest that those people want beer at local T-ball games as well. Why don't you just dial it back and settle the F down?

 

[zambam]

You are watching amateur athletes. If you can't go 4 hours without having alcohol, you have a problem and need treatment. Why should we stop at college games? Should they start selling beer at HS football games too? How about Little League? Piano recitals? Can't sit through Timmy's t-ball game without a brewski in your hand?

Already sold at Little League games where I live. Only reason it's not sold at HS games is cause MSHSL doesn't allow it. It's sad.

 

[wait!what?]

They sell beer at little league games? seriously? the people working the popcorn and soda stand are usually a mom and three 10 yr olds.

 

[mplsbadger]

obsession with other's choices? what in the world are you talking about? i simply said i would hope it isn't a set-up that would potentially deter some people from spending time in their seats and cheering on OUR squad. if that is somehow a deep OBSESSION with everyone's choices, well okay. whatever you say.

You want to intentionally degrade the experience in a hypothetical beer garden so as to manipulate others into behaving the way you would have them behave. I guess that bothers me. Obsession was perhaps too strong of a word.

Are you opposed to the TV's in the concourses? Do you think they should close the tailgate lots at kickoff? It seems to me that these would achieve the same end.

 

[dpodoll68]

But you're the one who created this straw man argument, one that suggests people have said they CAN'T go without beer for four hours. No one said they can't. They just said they don't see a good reason in their opinion why they shouldn't be able to legally purchase a beer. You disagree. That's fine. But you demean them as people needing treatment when they never said that to begin with. And then you escalate your hyperbole to suggest that those people want beer at local T-ball games as well. Why don't you just dial it back and settle the F down?

We have a pretty clear dividing line, for the most part, in this country when it comes to purchasing alcohol at sporting events. It's good and acceptable at pro events, but not at amateur events. If you propose that it's good and acceptable at a college football game, you are saying that it's good and acceptable at t-ball games. For the purposes of this discussion, there is no difference between the two. They are both amateur sporting events. According to zambam, there are already some sick bastards who actually think it's good and acceptable to be sold at little league games. That's flat-out f%cking disgusting and wrong. My 10-year-old nephew should be able to play in his game without having to be subjected to some idiot with a PBR in his right hand.

And yes, I maintain that if you are physically unable to go an entire game without drinking alcohol, you have a problem and need help. For example, my wife and I share our 4 season tickets with two of my good friends from college. They left at halftime of nearly every game last year to go to Sally's and get drunk. They are 32-year-old men who couldn't go more than two hours without alcohol. They are both alcoholics, but they won't admit it to themselves or others.

And if you're pretending that you aren't among the group that has a pathological need for alcohol that must be sated every 4 hours or less, why should we stop at booze? Why not cigarettes, as BTP already said? Why not guns? I like to kill sh1t with firearms, and I demand that the U sell me a shotgun at the game! I want to pick off small birds as they fly overhead during the game. I've been legally using firearms for over 20 years, and I've never hurt a hair on another human's body, so I don't see how anyone could object to my responsible use of a widely available and legal product at a college football game.

 

[CrocShots]

I'm guessing the bill going through will allow but not mandate a beer garden. Thus I would bet it will be several years if ever before the U does that. They definitely want it in the suites, and that is probably where it would stay for at least the near future.

I thought that was Bruininks stand. What is Kaler's thought on the matter?

 

[theTurning]

lol doll goes off the deep end.

 

[savagerube]

We have a pretty clear dividing line, for the most part, in this country when it comes to purchasing alcohol at sporting events. It's good and acceptable at pro events, but not at amateur events. If you propose that it's good and acceptable at a college football game, you are saying that it's good and acceptable at t-ball games. For the purposes of this discussion, there is no difference between the two. They are both amateur sporting events. According to zambam, there are already some sick bastards who actually think it's good and acceptable to be sold at little league games. That's flat-out f%cking disgusting and wrong. My 10-year-old nephew should be able to play in his game without having to be subjected to some idiot with a PBR in his right hand.

And yes, I maintain that if you are physically unable to go an entire game without drinking alcohol, you have a problem and need help. For example, my wife and I share our 4 season tickets with two of my good friends from college. They left at halftime of nearly every game last year to go to Sally's and get drunk. They are 32-year-old men who couldn't go more than two hours without alcohol. They are both alcoholics, but they won't admit it to themselves or others.

And if you're pretending that you aren't among the group that has a pathological need for alcohol that must be sated every 4 hours or less, why should we stop at booze? Why not cigarettes, as BTP already said? Why not guns? I like to kill sh1t with firearms, and I demand that the U sell me a shotgun at the game! I want to pick off small birds as they fly overhead during the game. I've been legally using firearms for over 20 years, and I've never hurt a hair on another human's body, so I don't see how anyone could object to my responsible use of a widely available and legal product at a college football game.

Wow man.. I used to really like your posts and your outlook on certain things. You lost me here man. You're reaching pretty fair with some of these statements. Comparing alcohol to guns and College football to tee-ball? C'mon man.. Let's be serious.

 

[Iceland12]

Regardless of the huge revenue involved we should all agree on one thing; for the good of humanity:

NO beer sales for any IOWA or WISCONSIN game!

 

[Maroon]

We have a pretty clear dividing line, for the most part, in this country when it comes to purchasing alcohol at sporting events. It's good and acceptable at pro events, but not at amateur events. If you propose that it's good and acceptable at a college football game, you are saying that it's good and acceptable at t-ball games. For the purposes of this discussion, there is no difference between the two. They are both amateur sporting events. According to zambam, there are already some sick bastards who actually think it's good and acceptable to be sold at little league games. That's flat-out f%cking disgusting and wrong. My 10-year-old nephew should be able to play in his game without having to be subjected to some idiot with a PBR in his right hand.

And yes, I maintain that if you are physically unable to go an entire game without drinking alcohol, you have a problem and need help. For example, my wife and I share our 4 season tickets with two of my good friends from college. They left at halftime of nearly every game last year to go to Sally's and get drunk. They are 32-year-old men who couldn't go more than two hours without alcohol. They are both alcoholics, but they won't admit it to themselves or others.

And if you're pretending that you aren't among the group that has a pathological need for alcohol that must be sated every 4 hours or less, why should we stop at booze? Why not cigarettes, as BTP already said? Why not guns? I like to kill sh1t with firearms, and I demand that the U sell me a shotgun at the game! I want to pick off small birds as they fly overhead during the game. I've been legally using firearms for over 20 years, and I've never hurt a hair on another human's body, so I don't see how anyone could object to my responsible use of a widely available and legal product at a college football game.

There are really two options here:

1) You're just being an Internet troll on purpose in a pathetic search for some sick satisfaction you get by posting nonsense like this that you don't actually believe.
2) You actually believe this.

I haven't decided yet which would be worse.

 

[DLguy]

So Dpoo, if I put a beer in my hand I am automatically an idiot? Do you only know people that cannot handle themselves when they are drunk? Because that is the way it sounds. Have you ever been to small town amatuer baseball games? Everyone comes with a cooler. Now that I think of it, they do that in the suburbs here. Because most people dont see the problem with having a few beers. I have a few beers every night. Does that make me an alcoholic? Nope. I could have 10-15 beers and not be an idiot. I think you are under the impression that if alcohol is served, those people will go and slam as many beers, and get piss drunk. That just is not the case.

 

[Deleted_User]

We have a pretty clear dividing line, for the most part, in this country when it comes to purchasing alcohol at sporting events. It's good and acceptable at pro events, but not at amateur events. If you propose that it's good and acceptable at a college football game, you are saying that it's good and acceptable at t-ball games. For the purposes of this discussion, there is no difference between the two. They are both amateur sporting events. According to zambam, there are already some sick bastards who actually think it's good and acceptable to be sold at little league games. That's flat-out f%cking disgusting and wrong. My 10-year-old nephew should be able to play in his game without having to be subjected to some idiot with a PBR in his right hand.

And yes, I maintain that if you are physically unable to go an entire game without drinking alcohol, you have a problem and need help. For example, my wife and I share our 4 season tickets with two of my good friends from college. They left at halftime of nearly every game last year to go to Sally's and get drunk. They are 32-year-old men who couldn't go more than two hours without alcohol. They are both alcoholics, but they won't admit it to themselves or others.

And if you're pretending that you aren't among the group that has a pathological need for alcohol that must be sated every 4 hours or less, why should we stop at booze? Why not cigarettes, as BTP already said? Why not guns? I like to kill sh1t with firearms, and I demand that the U sell me a shotgun at the game! I want to pick off small birds as they fly overhead during the game. I've been legally using firearms for over 20 years, and I've never hurt a hair on another human's body, so I don't see how anyone could object to my responsible use of a widely available and legal product at a college football game.

Why the non sequitor crap about firearms? Great that you have concern for your 2 buddies. They are part of the 4% of the population that are actually fighting alcoholism as adults. The other 21% who are vulnerable to alcohol addiction seem to be not getting drunk before or after the games at TCF. I doubt that 4% of the attendees get drunk before, during or after the games. Maybe it is higher in the student section, but that was true before a beer garden is installed. It will be true after it is installed as well. I don't think a beer garden will change the total volume of beer or other alcoholic beverage during a game day experience. But, one thing it would do is to capture the revenue for the U. Given the fact that the rate of alcoholism has not changed 1 iota during a decline in total consumption of alcohol since 1975 suggests that people who are drunks will consume before the game, during the game and after the game whether or not the U decides to install a beer garden. So, the only people who have something to complain about are the people who drink responsibly and would like to have a beer garden without being labled as alcoholics from anybody, including the 'holier than thou' pendantic crowd on GH.

 

[CrocShots]

Booze, guns, and tobacco. 'Merica!

 

[savagerube]

Booze, guns, and tobacco. 'Merica!

Hahaha! Nice! You gotta love the Chive!

 

[dpodoll68]

So Dpoo, if I put a beer in my hand I am automatically an idiot?

Not sure who Dpoo is, but I'll assume you're talking to me. Where did I say that?

Do you only know people that cannot handle themselves when they are drunk? Because that is the way it sounds.

Nope. You know what they say about assuming.

Have you ever been to small town amatuer baseball games?

I grew up in a town of 150 people. What do you think?

Everyone comes with a cooler.

Are you suggesting that people bring in their own alcohol from outside to the Gopher games? Great idea! Go for it! They also have to sign a waiver that says the University isn't responsible when they kill someone on the way home. I also don't see how this does anything to help the University's revenue situation.

Because most people dont see the problem with having a few beers.

Nor do I. Where have I stated otherwise?

I have a few beers every night.

Does that make me an alcoholic? Nope.

I never said that it did.

I could have 10-15 beers and not be an idiot.

I think you are under the impression that if alcohol is served, those people will go and slam as many beers, and get piss drunk. That just is not the case.

Nope. But, again, you know what they say about assuming.

Virtually nothing you said in this post has anything to do with the topic at hand. Keep trying, though.

 

[dpodoll68]

The "crap" about guns and t-ball games are not non-sequiturs at all.

College football games and t-ball games are both amateur sporting events. Does anyone dispute this? Why is it mandatory that we serve alcohol to college students at one event, but not the other? Where is the distinction?

Firearms, tobacco, and alcohol are all widely available, legal products available for purchase at hundreds of thousands of vendors across this country. Does anyone dispute this? Why is it mandatory that the latter is allowed at college football games, but not the other two? Where is the distinction?

 

[Unregistered User]

The funny thing is that this is really starting to sound like a pointless bar argument.

I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong, it's people with differing ideas, and they're not going to change anyone else's mind.

But that won't stop them from continuing to try.

 

[1gophergnu]

Too bad I Am The Walrus got banned. He made as much sense as some of the posts in this thread.

 

[Gopher07]

If they starting paying players (more than scholarships) would their amateur status be up for reconsideration, and thus would the line for appropriate alcohol consumption/sales be drawn elsewhere?

 

[Maroon]

The "crap" about guns and t-ball games are not non-sequiturs at all.

College football games and t-ball games are both amateur sporting events. Does anyone dispute this? Why is it mandatory that we serve alcohol to college students at one event, but not the other? Where is the distinction?

Firearms, tobacco, and alcohol are all widely available, legal products available for purchase at hundreds of thousands of vendors across this country. Does anyone dispute this? Why is it mandatory that the latter is allowed at college football games, but not the other two? Where is the distinction?

I also find your moral indignation directed toward the idea of an institution of higher learning selling alcohol to its students to be quite contradictory.

You are outraged at the idea of legally selling beer to of-age students at the football game, yet you don't have the same outrage when it comes to the game itself. One could certainly argue that football is more dangerous than drinking alcohol. And that same university you hold in such esteem is actually paying those same students you're so eager to protect to come to their institution and partake in that dangerous activity.

I find it odd that you think one activity is OK while the other is not.

 

[dpodoll68]

Too bad I Am The Walrus got banned. He made as much sense as some of the posts in this thread.

I agree. The people demanding that their precious alcohol be made available to them at amateur football games don't make any sense, nor do they provide any compelling arguments as to why decades of precedent should be overturned because they can't last longer than 4 hours without that sweet, sweet nectar crossing their lips.

 

[Unregistered User]

Man...I could really use a beer right about now.

 

[CrocShots]

The funny thing is that this is really starting to sound like a pointless bar argument.

I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong, it's people with differing ideas, and they're not going to change anyone else's mind.

But that won't stop them from continuing to try.

Welcome to Gopherhole

 

[wait!what?]

I do see a lot of posters whose foootball opinions on both sides of this discussion. It is the square the circle discussion.