Possible TCF Beer Garden that has U support?

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Go4Broke said:
Most of them will have to be satisfied by watching the game on the beer garden's TVs.
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Assuming it has TV's. :) The U could just as easily make the whole thing a bare bones affair.
 

savagerube said:
Explain why Beer is sold had University-sponsored concerts at Northrup?
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First, it's Northrop. Second, are they selling beer at performances/concerts being put on by students? I honestly don't know. Allowing alcohol sales for a performance by contracted professionals is perfectly reasonable. Allowing alcohol sales for a student group performance is not.
 

GoAUpher said:
The same reason that Wisky sells it at their Unions to the general public but not at football games...the leadership made a decision that selling it to students at games was outside of what they wanted to do. I'd give you a more specific answer but I'm not a Regent. You should e-mail a few of them if you'd like a more detailed response.

You can disagree with it, but I don't think the U (or most other universities) look at the sale of alcohol as a uniform situation across all campus locations and activities. This isn't a black and white scenario where a "gotcha" will win the argument for you.
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I'm not trying to win an argument. I was posing a question. Dpodoll68 apparently is employed by the U and I wanted to see if he/she knew if there was a reason. Nothing more than a simple question. Also, the majority of people that attend concerts at Northrup are students. I believe that it should be a black and white issue. Like Pawlenty said a few years back, if you sell alcohol to tenants in the "premium seats," then it should sold throughout the whole stadium.

I just don't get why a concert is different from a football game? They can sell beer at a Northrup concert but not at a U2 concert at TCF? Seems a little odd to me.
 

GoAUpher said:
Assuming it has TV's. :) The U could just as easily make the whole thing a bare bones affair.
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Why did I know you were going to say that? Unfortunately, you are probably right. The beer garden will probably be buried deep within the bowels of the stadium with no TV's, no restrooms, and nothing but miller lite to drink.
 

savagerube said:
Check my original post dude. I'm well aware of that. I'm just saying that there have been B1G programs where alcohol was sold. It doesn't matter who was in control of the decision-making; what matters is it happened. As a result, the Metrodome never had any major issues with it. Well besides the bathroom party during the 55-0 loss to Iowa. What's the difference between selling alcohol at Northrup vs TCF Bank Stadium? That I don't understand. Also, why isn't beer sold at the Prep Bowl if "tenants" have no control over Alcohol sales? Maybe that falls under some state law but I'm not sure how that works.
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Well my guess would be that a no beer policy is stated in the contract with the Minnesota State High School League. Either that or someone is just plain using common sense.

As far as Northrup and TCF. A little easier to control at Northrup than at TCF with 50,000 people and a whole different atmosphere. Not really a topic to even discuss.
 


station19 said:
As far as Northrup and TCF. A little easier to control at Northrup than at TCF with 50,000 people and a whole different atmosphere. Not really a topic to even discuss.
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We are talking about a beer garden here. The U can control it anyway they want. Nobody under 21 will be able to buy a beer and nobody will be over-served.
 

station19 said:
As far as Northrup and TCF. A little easier to control at Northrup than at TCF with 50,000 people and a whole different atmosphere. Not really a topic to even discuss.
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Even though there wasn't a problem at the Dome. Not that you want to discuss it.
 

dpodoll68 said:
First, it's Northrop. Second, are they selling beer at performances/concerts being put on by students? I honestly don't know. Allowing alcohol sales for a performance by contracted professionals is perfectly reasonable. Allowing alcohol sales for a student group performance is not.
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Why would Northrup fall under a different category? It's on campus; it's a campus facility. A significant portion of U students are 21 so what's the big deal? It's not like students can drink underage at games just because there's a beer garden?
 

station19 said:
Well my guess would be that a no beer policy is stated in the contract with the Minnesota State High School League. Either that or someone is just plain using common sense.

As far as Northrup and TCF. A little easier to control at Northrup than at TCF with 50,000 people and a whole different atmosphere. Not really a topic to even discuss.[/QUOTE

The dome was able to do it pretty soundly.
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savagerube said:
I'm not trying to win an argument. I was posing a question. Dpodoll68 apparently is employed by the U and I wanted to see if he/she knew if there was a reason. Nothing more than a simple question.
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Sorry for misreading your intent on the question! But you lose me on the "elitism/everyone gets to have it" argument. It's a product, one the U can offer when and where it pleases. In this case, as a perk to the folks who shell out the big bucks. Nevermind the fact that the legislature is stepping all over the U's autonomy with this which is ultimately what has always really annoyed me.
 


Go4Broke said:
Why did I know you were going to say that?
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Because you and I both know that the U really doesn't want to sell in GA and that if this compromise passes they might try to hamstring the GA portion from the get go to discourage it's use.

Frankly, if the U does embrace this idea I think they should do it right and avoid PO'ing GA ticket holders interested in giving them money.
 

There is already an outside beer garden. It's called Buffalo Wild Wings.
 



savagerube said:
I just don't get why a concert is different from a football game? They can sell beer at a Northrup concert but not at a U2 concert at TCF? Seems a little odd to me.
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I couldn't agree with you more. It should be available for contracted professional concerts at TCF. There's no reason why it shouldn't.

savagerube said:
Why would Northrup fall under a different category? It's on campus; it's a campus facility. A significant portion of U students are 21 so what's the big deal? It's not like students can drink underage at games just because there's a beer garden?
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My stance has nothing to do with the venue and everything to do with who is there and who is participating. At a performance put on by University students on University property with University students in attendance the University should not be allowed to sell alcohol to the general student population, ever, regardless of venue. Do you know whether they serve alcohol during student performances at Northrop? If they do, not only is it completely tasteless, it is hypocritical and should not be happening.
 

savagerube said:
Check my original post dude. I'm well aware of that. I'm just saying that there have been B1G programs where alcohol was sold. It doesn't matter who was in control of the decision-making; what matters is it happened. As a result, the Metrodome never had any major issues with it. Well besides the bathroom party during the 55-0 loss to Iowa. What's the difference between selling alcohol at Northrup vs TCF Bank Stadium? That I don't understand. Also, why isn't beer sold at the Prep Bowl if "tenants" have no control over Alcohol sales? Maybe that falls under some state law but I'm not sure how that works.
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Perhaps you should check your own posts. You claimed that the University made alcohol available at the Metrodome, but they did not. If you're now claiming that you knew that all along, thwn you deliberately made a false statement.

That alcohol is not served at the high school tournament means little, if anything. The decision whether or not to serve alcohol was not the Gophers. Even if the stadium commission wanted to have alcohol served at the HS tournament, the high school tournament doesn't have to play there, there are other stadiums in the state that could house the tournament. The Gophers didn't have this sort of leverage, there was no other stadium than the Metrodome that could have met the U's needs.
 

if this helps the U of M solve the legislature created issue of their premium seating/suites being artificially devalued by the MN legislature back in 2009 (i.e. not being able to sell alcohol to premium seating buyers/potential buyers), then i guess i am for it. hopefully it applies to TCF Stadium, Mariucci Arena AND Williams Arena. No reason to have different policies for each building. That would be stupid as all hell. But then again the MN legislature is famous for making things tougher than they have to be.
 

supadupafly said:
hopefully it applies to TCF Stadium, Mariucci Arena AND Williams Arena.
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Agreed, but ideally without the beer garden provision for the latter 2 as it would be basically impossible to implement at either The Barn or Mariucci.
 


RodentRampage said:
Perhaps you should check your own posts. You claimed that the University made alcohol available at the Metrodome, but they did not. If you're now claiming that you knew that all along, thwn you deliberately made a false statement.

That alcohol is not served at the high school tournament means little, if anything. The decision whether or not to serve alcohol was not the Gophers. Even if the stadium commission wanted to have alcohol served at the HS tournament, the high school tournament doesn't have to play there, there are other stadiums in the state that could house the tournament. The Gophers didn't have this sort of leverage, there was no other stadium than the Metrodome that could have met the U's needs.
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Well it could be argued that indirectly the U did make alcohol available to fans. Who's decision was it to move to the Dome? If I remember right, Memorial Stadium needed about $1,000,000 in repairs/remodeling. Instead they moved to the dome; I'm sure they were aware of the alcohol situation at the dome. The dome and city of Minneapolis welcomed the Gophers with open arms. If the U would've demanded no alcohol during games, I wonder if the dome would've compromised. It would be interesting to know that.
 

station19 said:
Keep in mind Wisconsin's #1 business is producing and selling beer.

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it used to be one of minnesota's top business efforts as well until this state's stupid, anti-alcohol production and highly restricted retail distribution laws helped kill a lot of it.

i.e. grain belt (the real brewery in minneapolis, not the august schell's incarnation of the grain belt brand), hamm's (st. paul) and schmidt (st. paul) were some of the biggest breweries in the united states during their time. just as big as A-B during the same period. hamm's in particular used to be one of the top selling lager beers in the united states for a numbers of years and was distributed all over the country. the united states did not start becoming an A-B, miller & coor's dominated beer country until sometime around the late 1970's or so. mostly due to a lot of large regional breweries going out of business for various reasons.
 

GoAUpher said:
Agreed, but ideally without the beer garden provision for the latter 2 as it would be basically impossible to implement at either The Barn or Mariucci.
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however they would pull it off or be required to pull it off at mariucci & williams, i don't personally care. so long as they can offer it as an option in those facility's premium seats as well. i just want the U of M athletic department to be able to start recouping some of the millions of dollars in lost premium seating sales opportunities that the pandering idiots at the MN legislature have cost them over the past 3+ years.
 

supadupafly said:
however they would pull it off or be required to pull it off at mariucci & williams, i don't personally care. so long as they can offer it as an option in those premiums seats as well. i just want the U of M athletic department to be able to start recouping some of the millions of dollars in lost premium seating sales opportunities that the pandering idiots at the MN legislature have cost them over the past 3+ years.
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Anyone going to games at either location should care. The only way to pull it off in both locations is to GREATLY inconvenience everyone else. The concourses aren't big enough in either location to be gummed up by a beer garden plus the lines it would create. Both concourses are easily packed as is.
 

"ST. PAUL (WCCO) – Beer was the subject of a rare instance of bipartisan support for a bill at the legislature.

The bill to allow beer at the University of Minnesota’s stadium passed its first committee test on Wednesday with unanimous, bipartisan support.

Currently, beer is banned at TCF Bank Stadium"

That is not an accurate statement.
 

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Good thing this wasn't about beer and Adam Weber...
 

I could see not sellling beer if its mainly students at the game. But as you can see a small proportion of the crowd has been students. If adults want a beer or two at the game i have no problem with them selling it.
What i HATE is when law abiding citizens have to suffer because some people abuse privileges.. Yes some students will sneak alcohol and some students and adults will get drunk. So therefore no one should be able to buy alcohol? Some people abuse gambling. Therefore close all the casinos? Some people drive cars drunk or irresponsibly. Therefore no one should have cars? We as a society have to pay a price all too often because a few abuse the privilege.
 

Here is how I see the beer garden. It will likely be as far from the student section as possible. It will and should not have tvs, and will not hold an excessive amount of people. You will obviously not be able to take your beer out, so unless you are buying season tickets to sit somewhere and drink beer all game and not see any of the game, it wont be that appealing. People will love it right off the bat, but when they realize it is not that great, they will just continue to smuggle in booze of their own. Those who really want a beer, can than have their beer. I honestly can't see anyone in my group of 15 that all start drinking 6 hours before the game, are pretty buzzed up during the game, and continue drinking during the game, to ever go use this. It is not really in the general seating area. Just that people in the general area have access to go to a specific location to drink beer, and then return to their seats upon completion of that beer. Money maker for the U, and that is what is needed.
 

Go4Broke said:
Fantastic! The U is finally coming to its senses on this issue. Unfortunately, dopedoll has lost his senses and and it looks like he may never find them. This is NOT about selling beer to students so they can get drunk. It IS about selling a legal product to adults who pay a large share of the money to support Gopher sports and who want to enjoy one or two $8.00 beers while watching their favorite football team play in the stadium they helped to build.

This is great news for me because I have been the biggest advocate for beer at Gopher football games in GopherHole. I knew this day would come and I am taking partial credit for my multiple year campaign to make it happen. The U's budget problems are too large and there is just just too much money at stake for them not to do this.

The beer garden needs to be on the top level of the stadium so those who want can watch the game while having a brew. Nobody gets in the beer garden without an ID and nobody leaves with a beer in their hand. It will work perfectly.
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personally, i hope they put it somewhere without direct visibility of the field and have no tv's showing the game. i don't want people hanging in the beer garden all afternoon and therefore not in their seats cheering on our gophers to victory. :D
 

station19 said:
"ST. PAUL (WCCO) – Beer was the subject of a rare instance of bipartisan support for a bill at the legislature.

The bill to allow beer at the University of Minnesota’s stadium passed its first committee test on Wednesday with unanimous, bipartisan support.

Currently, beer is banned at TCF Bank Stadium"

That is not an accurate statement.
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are you really counting on the local tv news idiots to correctly report on something? you will be waiting for a while. guarantee you some clueless intern wrote this up with no research done. ;-)
 

GoAUpher said:
Anyone going to games at either location should care. The only way to pull it off in both locations is to GREATLY inconvenience everyone else. The concourses aren't big enough in either location to be gummed up by a beer garden plus the lines it would create. Both concourses are easily packed as is.
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i wouldn't worry yourself too much about it. don't sweat the details all the time. although, i know that is tough for you sometimes. ;-)
 

I'm guessing the bill going through will allow but not mandate a beer garden. Thus I would bet it will be several years if ever before the U does that. They definitely want it in the suites, and that is probably where it would stay for at least the near future.

Secondly, I thought Williams, old Mariucci and Memorial all sold beer until the late 80's, or am I wrong on that? Didn't most college stadiums sell alcohol in the 70's and 80's? Heck, didn't the U have Budweiser or Miller as an official sponsor for a while during that time? I thought it was late 80's when the NCAA put pressure on schools not to sell alcohol at games.

DPODOLL - I respectfully disagree with your sentiment that the U of MN should never sell alcohol to the general student public. I would state that if they do, it needs to be in a controllable manner (a beer garden where you have to be of age to enter, must not leave with any beverages, patrolled by cops, etc.). But I would certainly say that there is no way that the general concession stands should be selling it because it's not controllable - who knows where that beer will end up after it leaves the booth. But as long as it is done responsibly and legally, I don't see any conflict.
 

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