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bga1 said:
There are great players that coaches have to get control of and funnel in the right direction. Edwards played under Crean who I would not want as a coach. I admit I am surprised at where we are right now without Towns. Let's see how the season ends. Garcia could be a really good player on a well coached team.
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That may be true. But Dawson is a player who has proven to be great under any type of coach, and if he went to a winning team and killing like Towns, folks would be complaining how we didn’t retain him.
 

CoffeyTime said:
So basically the Gophers haven’t had any good players in a long time, since they haven’t won in a long time. Christie, an NBA draft pick last year but I guess he’s not good cause his team didn’t win last year
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We had a decent team last year with a poor coach. Christie returning would have done a lot for Garcia this year as Garcia might have become the second option- which is what he should be on a decent team. Last year was Garcia's best year as a player because we had a point guard that distributed and other options that could score. Payne was a big that could take the physical pressure off.
You can tell, when Garcia gets the ball this year, he's not likely to give it up.
 


Zeppelin Gopher said:
Meh, we're asking a 6'8 220 guy to check a 7'0 260 guy 1v1 in the post.

An obvious outcome to an unreasonable ask.
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I agree. He’s not physically talented enough to guards guy like Crowl. And he’s not skilled enough to be a perimeter player. So why is Fox playing big minutes on a big ten club?
 



bga1 said:
Where has he won?

Here's an example of how deceptive Garcia is. Crowl tonight puts up 18 points on 7 shots with 5 assists and plays sound defense. Garcia puts up 22 points on 17 shots with no assists. Everyone would say they want Garcia over Crowl but who plays winning ball?
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Yea, that has nothing to do with the extreme discrepancy of talent, coaching, game plan, spacing, system etc between the two teams tonight.

But let's blame our all Big Ten player who could play for anyone in the country for that beat down. And who objectively had a great game tonight,

I'm as rage frustrated as the rest of you but holy shit.
 


Strongazzoffer said:
His coach got fired at Marquette and at UNC his grandfather died and his father almost died of COVID when he was starting on a team that eventually finished national runner up
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A team that went 12-6 with him and 17-4 without him.
 



CoffeyTime said:
Come on. He’s a 3 level scoring, 6’10 skilled big. Can shoot, handle, and pass. Hard to blame him for this shit show. It shouldn’t be hard to build around a player like him and we probably won’t see a player as good as him in years, very easily one of the best players in the conference
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Dawson is talented no doubt and can help teams. But he's clearly not a go to guy. You just called him a 6'10 skilled big that can shoot, handle and pass..........uhhhh those guys don't play 5 years in college at 23 years old

He hasn't ever been on a good team.

Dawson is talented. But flawed. If he wanted to be he could be an excellent supporting stud on a good team.
 

Strongazzoffer said:
His coach got fired at Marquette and at UNC his grandfather died and his father almost died of COVID when he was starting on a team that eventually finished national runner up
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ummm, he lost his starting spot on that team. Then left the team that was struggling. And they went on a rampage after he left then made the title game as a 8 seed

Using that bolded part as some sort of accomplishment is a choice
 

It's a good thing that this game got buried by being on Peacock and because the semi-final football game is on. Only diehard fans watched this debacle.
 

MUgopher32 said:
Dawson is talented no doubt and can help teams. But he's clearly not a go to guy. You just called him a 6'10 skilled big that can shoot, handle and pass..........uhhhh those guys don't play 5 years in college at 23 years old

He hasn't ever been on a good team.

Dawson is talented. But flawed. If he wanted to be he could be an excellent supporting stud on a good team.
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Okay so what do you call Dickinson? Cause I’d say the same about him. Neither of them are athletic enough for the league, but great college players
 



Zeppelin Gopher said:
Yea, that has nothing to do with the extreme discrepancy of talent, coaching, game plan, spacing, system etc between the two teams tonight.

But let's blame our all Big Ten player who could play for anyone in the country for that beat down. And who objectively had a great game tonight,

I'm as rage frustrated as the rest of you but holy shit.
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He's a good player. Not a great one. The game is a team game and it is played on both ends.
Tonight he no doubt came out fired up after his poor game against OSU. His answer was to shoot a lot, which he did. He put up 17 shots and got 22 points. 22 points is great. The efficiency is not great.

My guess is that Gard could take our players and Ben have his and with two weeks of coaching it would be an even game. I don't think that the overall talent discrepancy is that great if you put guys in the right spots and play the game the right way.
 

CoffeyTime said:
“Ok player” come on this is becoming dumb. He should’ve just left cause if this is going to be the narrative around him. He’s a really good college player, one of the best players in the country that’s stuck on a team that Ben Johnson built
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There's a middle ground. Garcia is a very good college player and @bga1 "cooling" on him is somewhat cope. But he's also not very engaged this year and often seems checked out. I don't entirely blame him. The team sucks. But he knew what he was coming back for.
 


FinnGopher said:
It's a good thing that this game got buried by being on Peacock and because the semi-final football game is on. Only diehard fans watched this debacle.
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Who cares? The “die hards” called for Pitino to be fired just like the casuals. Not me though
 


howeda7 said:
There's a middle ground. Garcia is a very good college player and @bga1 "cooling" on him is somewhat cope. But he's also not very engaged this year and often seems checked out. I don't entirely blame him. The team sucks. But he knew what he was coming back for.
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Okay so I hope you don’t blame Hawkins and Payne for transferring.
 

CoffeyTime said:
Okay so what do you call Dickinson? Cause I’d say the same about him. Neither of them are athletic enough for the league, but great college players
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Dickinson also extremely flawed. And has gotten a lot of flack himself as a go to guy and whether a team can go deep with him

He's also considerably better than Dawson
 

GoodasGold said:
I didn’t have an opportunity to see the game tonight. I’m assuming wisky made most of their free throws? 🤔
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Of course. I hear if you don't make your FT's at Lakeville North it results in severe beatings.
 



MUgopher32 said:
Dickinson also extremely flawed. And has gotten a lot of flack himself as a go to guy and whether a team can go deep with him

He's also considerably better than Dawson
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You’re right he’s much more of a problem defensively. But yeah switch the goal posts to fit your narrative man
 


CoffeyTime said:
You’re right he’s much more of a problem defensively. But yeah switch the goal posts to fit your narrative man
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What goal posts did I shift?

You shifted goal posts about calling Dawson a bunch of great things and using Dickinson when confronted

I answered your question

I don't think you even know what the term means
 

howeda7 said:
Blame Garcia? No. The Gopher chose to pay him. If they did a poor job of assessing who to pay, that's on Ben and staff.
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That’s about the only good decision they made. Garcia is significantly better than both of those players
 



CoffeyTime said:
That’s about the only good decision they made. Garcia is significantly better than both of those players
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None of us have enough information to assess the choices. Would you trade Garcia for Hawkins AND Payne? I would. But I have no idea if that was an option.
 

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