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MUgopher32 said:
What goal posts did I shift?

You shifted goal posts about calling Dawson a bunch of great things and using Dickinson when confronted

I answered your question

I don't think you even know what the term means
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I think they’re both great college players. Marginals NBA guys. Garcia is quicker laterally and can guard more on the perimeter. Dickinson as a rim protector is not ideal
 

howeda7 said:
None of us have enough information to assess the choices. Would you trade Garcia for Hawkins AND Payne? I would. But I have no idea if that was an option.
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Okay well you might be the only person who would. Garcia is significantly better than both.
 


CoffeyTime said:
I think they’re both great college players. Marginals NBA guys. Garcia is quicker laterally and can guard more on the perimeter. Dickinson as a rim protector is not ideal
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What does any of that have to do with what I said or me shifting goal posts haha

You just keep adding on things.

All I said is that Garcia is not a great first option in college(he isn't). He's never been on a good team(he hasn't). That there's a reason he's still in college at 23 with the skills you claim he has(he's flawed).

You then weirdly brought up Dickinson. And I agreed Dickinson is also flawed, which is being talked about nationally too. I said he's considerably better than Dawson though(he is)

You then told me I shifted goal posts. Which was the most blatant misuse of a term I have ever heard.
 

CoffeyTime said:
Okay well you might be the only person who would. Garcia is significantly better than both.
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PG is a more important position and it's two for one. It's not even a hard choice really.
 


CoffeyTime said:
Fox can’t play at this level but folks will pretend he can cause he’s from Minnesota
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He scored like 20 points against OSU. He shouldn't start and shouldn't play much against a team like Wisconsin, but saying he can't play in the B1G at all is silly. He played a lot of good minutes last year.
 

howeda7 said:
PG is a more important position and it's two for one. It's not even a hard choice really.
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They have a PG man. You’re right Asuma & Garcia over Hawkins & Payne isn’t a hard decision. The coach is the problem, the roster is the problem not the PG & PF
 


MUgopher32 said:
What does any of that have to do with what I said or me shifting goal posts haha

You just keep adding on things.

All I said is that Garcia is not a great first option in college(he isn't). He's never been on a good team(he hasn't). That there's a reason he's still in college at 23 with the skills you claim he has(he's flawed).

You then weirdly brought up Dickinson. And I agreed Dickinson is also flawed, which is being talked about nationally too. I said he's considerably better than Dawson though(he is)

You then told me I shifted goal posts. Which was the most blatant misuse of a term I have ever heard.
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Okay well what are the Badgers? Or the Buckeyes? Or the Boilers? Or the Spartans? Those are all big ten teams and all teams Dawson would be the best player on man. None of those teams have anyone within the realm of a Garcia
 



CoffeyTime said:
They have a PG man. You’re right Asuma & Garcia over Hawkins & Payne isn’t a hard decision. The coach is the problem, the roster is the problem not the PG & PF
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Asuma would be on the team either way. That's a false choice. I simply said if you could keep Hawkins and Payne with the NIL funds allocated to Garcia you'd do it. I think you would be deep in the minority opposing that.

But yes, what we have is a coaching problem.
 

howeda7 said:
Asuma would be on the team either way. That's a false choice. I simply said if you could keep Hawkins and Payne with the NIL funds allocated to Garcia you'd do it. I think you would be deep in the minority opposing that.

But yes, what we have is a coaching problem.
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Just like I was in the deep minority that Richard shouldn’t have been fired. So I’m not upset about that
 

CoffeyTime said:
Okay well what are the Badgers? Or the Buckeyes? Or the Boilers? Or the Spartans? Those are all big ten teams and all teams Dawson would be the best player on man. None of those teams have anyone within the realm of a Garcia
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You think Dawson is better than Braden Smith? HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH

My god, I have heard it all.

He's not better than TKR either. But holy sh it.
 

MUgopher32 said:
ummm, he lost his starting spot on that team. Then left the team that was struggling. And they went on a rampage after he left then made the title game as a 8 seed

Using that bolded part as some sort of accomplishment is a choice
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What a shock, the Marquette fan isn't a huge Dawson guy
 



I'm starting to think the post game "heart to heart" meetings are just a way to keep CBJ away from the media ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯
 



Ski-U-Ham said:
I'm starting to think the post game "heart to heart" meetings are just a way to keep CBJ away from the media ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯
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Hey now, after their heart to heart after the Indiana game, Farleigh Dickinson felt their wrath. Look out Maryland.
 

MUgopher32 said:
You think Dawson is better than Braden Smith? HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH

My god, I have heard it all.

He's not better than TKR either. But holy sh it.
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I do for sure. I wouldn’t trade a big time, skilled big like Garcia for tiny, floor general like Smith. No chance
 

CoffeyTime said:
Come on. He’s a 3 level scoring, 6’10 skilled big. Can shoot, handle, and pass. Hard to blame him for this shit show. It shouldn’t be hard to build around a player like him and we probably won’t see a player as good as him in years, very easily one of the best players in the conference
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If you watched Garcia carefully, you'd see he has below average handles and cannot pass. He's very overrated imo.
 


Allshade said:
If you watched Garcia carefully, you'd see he has below average handles and cannot pass. He's very overrated imo.
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Well he can, maybe you just haven’t watched any other big man in the country sans the Michigan kid.
 

CoffeyTime said:
I do for sure. I wouldn’t trade a big time, skilled big like Garcia for tiny, floor general like Smith. No chance
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Tiny floor general??

Braden is better than Garcia at literally just about everything on a basketball floor haha. Except volume rebounding and Braden for a 6 foot guard rebounds far better than Dawson as a 6'11 forward.

This is one of the dumbest things anyone has ever said on this board and it is zero insult to Dawson at all. Smith is unanimously a top 10 player in the sport. And people will have him as high as 4th.
 

CoffeyTime said:
I do for sure. I wouldn’t trade a big time, skilled big like Garcia for tiny, floor general like Smith. No chance
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Smith all day and I really like Garcia. Unless you're an Edey type big, guards rule college basketball.
 

I am flabbergast this guy said Dawson over Braden Smith

Not kidding, you poll every single D1 coach who they would take. And its a shut out.
 

MUgopher32 said:
Tiny floor general??

Braden is better than Garcia at literally just about everything on a basketball floor haha. Except volume rebounding and Braden for a 6 foot guard rebounds far better than Dawson as a 6'11 forward.

This is one of the dumbest things anyone has ever said on this board and it is zero insult to Dawson at all. Smith is unanimously a top 10 player in the sport. And people will have him as high as 4th.
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I’m sorry come on. I love Paint the Coach. I think Smith is terrific but he’s a floor general. The equivalent as a “game manager” as a QB in football. He’s not special, he’s very steady but he’s tiny. Newton physically overwhelmed in in the championship
 

MUgopher32 said:
I am flabbergast this guy said Dawson over Braden Smith

Not kidding, you poll every single D1 coach who they would take. And its a shut out.
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Of course they would. Minnesota is sadly irrelevant in college hoops. Purdue is thriving. Painter is one of the best coaches in the country, if not thee best
 

All the players meetings and what not is cute. I feel for Ben and the players because I do believe they want to win and the effort is there. Ben just has no idea how to actually execute that at a level like this to make those wins happen. Simple as that.

I do think it would be in Coyle's best interest to just put everyone out of the misery at this point. Let Thorson or someone else take over. The players will still play hard. Maybe we find a magical win or two to make people feel good about the season.

Just call it off at this point.
 

MUgopher32 said:
ummm, he lost his starting spot on that team. Then left the team that was struggling. And they went on a rampage after he left then made the title game as a 8 seed

Using that bolded part as some sort of accomplishment is a choice
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Sorry your butthurt he left your gay ass school
 

CoffeyTime said:
I’m sorry come on. I love Paint the Coach. I think Smith is terrific but he’s a floor general. The equivalent as a “game manager” as a QB in football. He’s not special, he’s very steady but he’s tiny. Newton physically overwhelmed in in the championship
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What are you talking about haha. He's averaging 15.4 on 55.2% eFG% as a 6 foot guard. He's got a FOURTY SEVEN% assist rate.

Floor general?? He's an incredible player. That makes his teammates better.

You saying Dawson would be Purdues best player is certifiably nuts. Dawson isn't even better than TKR who is Purdues second best player.
 

Strongazzoffer said:
His coach got fired at Marquette and at UNC his grandfather died and his father almost died of COVID when he was starting on a team that eventually finished national runner up
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I truly understand he has good stats and is likely better than I give him credit for, but doesn't something about him just feel like a non-winner?

I don't feel like he makes players around him better. He gets his, and that's what it is.

Maybe I'm harsh, that's just how I view it.
 

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