If it is Fleck...

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Uffda said:
TC sprinting down the field would be a huge hit on Youtube! He can barely walk the length of the field. Fleck will be in high demand in the future. TC has the gang bang and the boycott tweet on his resume. The fans were booing a few games because his offense was so ho hum.
The energy leading to enthusiasm comparison between the two is laughable.
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Wait, what? Thought he was right now...

You know you are not even very good at being a troll, right?
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
Brewster had never been a college head coach prior to Minnesota. He had no idea what it takes to run a college program. There is no comparison between Fleck and Brewster.
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Neither was TC...and he won 9 games his first year.

There's plenty of comparisons, you just don't like any of them.
 



PMWinSTP said:
Neither was TC...and he won 9 games his first year.

There's plenty of comparisons, you just don't like any of them.
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With no guarantee he'll ever win that many again. What happens if he only wins 3 or 4 games next year?

The great thing about this argument is there's no right answer until several years down the road. Claeys could be the next Gutenkust or he could be the next Gary Patterson. Fleck could be a total bust, or he could be the next big time coach in college football.

After seeing the Kill/Claeys program for 6 years with an awful record against ranked opponents and the fact that Claeys has failed to win a rivalry game yet, the constant lack of offensive talent/recruits, I'd rather roll the dice on the next big thing.
 


WorkingMyTailOff said:
It seems many of the successful ones have ego to burn. I think it can be done without though if a talented team is assembled like with Claeys.
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Saban, Holtz, Meyer, Gutekunst, Brewster. It is ok to have some flash if you can back it up, and lack of it does not mean you are better.
 

saintpaulguy said:
Sagan, Holtz, Meyer, Gutekunst, Brewster. It is ok to have some flash if you can back it up, and lack of it does not mean you are better.
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True and I think what you are trying to say with your list of coaches is that sizzle doesn't correlate to success.

I could see how the current staff would prefer to work with someone like Claeys over someone like Brewster or Fleck. That's all I was trying to say.
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
With no guarantee he'll ever win that many again. What happens if he only wins 3 or 4 games next year?

The great thing about this argument is there's no right answer until several years down the road. Claeys could be the next Gutenkust or he could be the next Gary Patterson. Fleck could be a total bust, or he could be the next big time coach in college football.

After seeing the Kill/Claeys program for 6 years with an awful record against ranked opponents and the fact that Claeys has failed to win a rivalry game yet, the constant lack of offensive talent/recruits, I'd rather roll the dice on the next big thing.
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Really, this is what you are going with...the inability to predict the future? Wow.

Pretty sure we all know your position here...
 

PMWinSTP said:
Really, this is what you are going with...the inability to predict the future? Wow.

Pretty sure we all know your position here...
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Pretty sure we all know you have an inability to predict trends outside of the number of wins and losses on paper.
 




I'd say some good stuff about Fleck when he was at NIU but it's not 1st hand and I'd prefer to not be sued.

Then again, I did dumb stuff too. It's easy to be a target when you're a vocal public figure.
 

Hammer em' said:
I'd say some good stuff about Fleck when he was at NIU but it's not 1st hand and I'd prefer to not be sued.

Then again, I did dumb stuff too. It's easy to be a target when you're a vocal public figure.
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Spill it Hammer...
 

I thought about starting a new thread about this but there are ALOT of threads on this website already about PJ Fleck. To many in my opinion.

We have a coach already and It's Tracy Claeys. Yes they are meeting tomorrow and he might be let go. Why is there so much speculation specifically about PJ Fleck? Is that who the U will hire?
 



WorkingMyTailOff said:
True and I think what you are trying to say with your list of coaches is that sizzle doesn't correlate to success.

I could see how the current staff would prefer to work with someone like Claeys over someone like Brewster or Fleck. That's all I was trying to say.
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We agree mucho.
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
Pretty sure we all know you have an inability to predict trends outside of the number of wins and losses on paper.
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Huh, that's it? Isn't that your argument for PJ, you know, wins and losses? Thought you were at least decent at this...my bad.
 

I had friends at NIU in athletics when he was there.
If I was hiring, and I do quite a bit....I'd have red flags.
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
Brewster had never been a college head coach prior to Minnesota. He had no idea what it takes to run a college program. There is no comparison between Fleck and Brewster.
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I was responding to this sentence: "Give a guy with his energy and personality B1G resources, recruiting enough talent to compete is the last thing I'm worried about".

I wasn't comparing their resumes. I was merely pointing out that a guy with a similar "energy" and "personality" failed miserably. If Fleck will be successful at his next gig, it will be because he can coach. It won't be because of his "energy".
 

Then again I got hired and promoted as well. Have to be careful when judging people.
Lots the average person doesn't know about people, their character and history....only what you hear today on Deadspin or Gopherhole.
 

One concern I'd have with Fleck is, if successful here, how long would he stay at MN? Would he be another Holtz? 2 years and on to greener pastures?

Are there any legit candidates for our job with strong MN roots/ties? Guys who, perhaps for family/lifestyle reasons, would prefer to remain here for the long haul?
 

I like Tracy Clays. They would be complete morons to fire him. First, we have never had a consistently good defense in the 40 years I've followed Gopher football until now, under Clays. Don't kid yourself, Sawell is not behind our D, it is Clays. Second, With Kaler and the EOAA, you will not get anybody worth their salt to coach or play here. The damage will already be very difficult to overcome, but I think Tracy Clays is our best shot. Give him a few years to learn how to be a head coach; he's a smart guy and will figure it out. DO NOT TAKE GOOD DEFENSE @ THE U OF MN FOR GRANTED; IT IS NO SMALL FEAT!!
 

Austin_Erik said:
I like Tracy Clays. They would be complete morons to fire him. First, we have never had a consistently good defense in the 40 years I've followed Gopher football until now, under Clays. Don't kid yourself, Sawell is not behind our D, it is Clays. Second, With Kaler and the EOAA, you will not get anybody worth their salt to coach or play here. The damage will already be very difficult to overcome, but I think Tracy Clays is our best shot. Give him a few years to learn how to be a head coach; he's a smart guy and will figure it out. DO NOT TAKE GOOD DEFENSE @ THE U OF MN FOR GRANTED; IT IS NO SMALL FEAT!!
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I agree wholeheartedly and very good post. Firing Claeys would be a mistake.
 

Amen, I am not convinced about anything w/ Fleck. The MAC is nothing. He might be good, but to me, it is much more likely that Tracy Clays is better.
 

Austin_Erik said:
Amen, I am not convinced about anything w/ Fleck. The MAC is nothing. He might be good, but to me, it is much more likely that Tracy Clays is better.
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Where did Kill and Claeys come from? I can't remember...
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
I don't mean this to rip on you, but were you a Gopher fan during the Brew years?

He had energy and personality and Big 10 resources (brand new stadium too).
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Brew, while energetic, was nothing more than a TE position coach with no head coaching or coordinator experience. His lack of HC experience, management and leadership skills were his downfall...not his style. Every potential HC mentioned in this thread is FAR more proven than Brew was.

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Carlson 79 said:
One concern I'd have with Fleck is, if successful here, how long would he stay at MN? Would he be another Holtz? 2 years and on to greener pastures?

Are there any legit candidates for our job with strong MN roots/ties? Guys who, perhaps for family/lifestyle reasons, would prefer to remain here for the long haul?
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Would love to have a coach good enough that someone wants to steal him
 

minibeaver said:
Claeys will be let go, along with staff, and sit out a year. Kill will be named HC of Rutgers next year, and bring back his entire staff, Claeys, Sawvel, etc. Next time we play them they'll truck us. And it will be poetic justice.
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I sure hope not. TC is a football genius and has the makings to be a great coach. Let him go, and we are back to futility, only longer and more extreme. I just wish that Coyle's salary was correlated w/ the football team's record. Kaler can aford to have him serve as his puppet with the Big Ten TV money and bowl share rolling in to support the Athletic Dept. Mark my words, Tracy Clays is our best bet.
 

Panthadad2 said:
Brew, while energetic, was nothing more than a TE position coach with no head coaching or coordinator experience. His lack of HC experience, management and leadership skills were his downfall...not his style. Every potential HC mentioned in this thread is FAR more proven than Brew was.

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I realize that. That is why I've said that if we move on from Claeys, I think Fleck makes sense.

My post was a response to someone essentially saying we need someone with high energy, etc. If Fleck is successful here, it won't be because of his "energy" (it won't be in spite of it either). IT's all about the ability to coach.
 

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