Wisconsin has to be the luckiest team on the planet.

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goldengophers said:
Michigan, NW, UW
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Already listed Northwestern and beating Wisconsin at the Kohl Center is nearly impossible and Michigan when they make everything is impossible to beat but keep thinking that the Gophers should somehow beat those teams.
 

goldengophers said:
Michigan, NW, UW
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Wisconsin was favored in that game, and I don't think there's any shame in losing to a top 5 Michigan team at home. We were capable of winning all three of those games for sure, but none of them except Northwestern fall in the "unacceptable" category to me.
 

Cayman said:
Wisconsin was favored in that game, and I don't think there's any shame in losing to a top 5 Michigan team at home. We were capable of winning all three of those games for sure, but none of them except Northwestern fall in the "unacceptable" category to me.
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I'd agree with you if we were in the first 3 years of Tubby. Wisconsin was a must win, Michigan was a show us you are who we hired win.
 

bleedsmaroonandgold said:
That is what is becoming frustrating. This Wisconsin team is playing without their best player, and instead of making excuses, they are finding ways to win. Not always ugly, not always pretty, but they are right in the thick of the race.

The year that really upset me on that front was the year we lost Nolen and Joseph. We obviously lost a lot from those two, but the team gave up after that. They sulked, they didn't hustle for anywhere near forty minutes a night, and they were playing like they were perfectly content to lose, shrug their shoulders, and complain about luck. I would feel a lot different about the injuries/transfers if during that season, I had felt like we had everyone busting their butts night in and night out and it just wasn't coming together because we didn't have a pg to move the ball.
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What is this crap about UW losing "their best player"?? Gasser? Please. Maybe had they lost Berggren, they'd have had something to worry about. And the Gopherhole would bitch and moan and call the Gophers the "luckiest team on the planet" if they won 3 games as luckily and as ugly and got as many favorable calls and non-calls as Wisconsin did/does, yet when Wisconsin lucks out this board bows down to Bo Ryan? What is wrong with you people?

Fact of the matter is that Wisconsin had FOUR fouls called against them in the second half against Michigan, a team that takes the ball to the hoop as much as anyone else in the nation. Even after overtime, Michigan still wasn't in the bonus. That and 100% pure luck is why they won that game, on the backs of two other extremely lucky wins at Kohl Center in recent weeks.

Finally, Wisconsin benefits greatly by being where they are. Because Minnesota is the only D-1 school in a large state that produces a decent amount of D-1 basketball talent, Bo Ryan is able to take Minnesota's "leftovers" - which are as good as any "leftovers" in the country, and put a chip on their shoulder to make something of their careers. Good for him. But don't act like Bo Ryan is doing magic with talent-less chimps here, he gets plenty of talent, way too much of it from the state of the Gophers. He's a great coach, no doubt. But take away the Minnesota kids that fall in his lap and get rid of the ridiculous reffing bias blown his way, and the Badgers really wouldn't be all that good. Period.
 

Some of you Gopherholers cried that we shouldn't storm the court if we beat Michigan....well the Badgers did it and it looked pretty damn cool!!
 


Johnnyboy18 said:
Don't know how you could say your not satisfied when the season isn't over and I would be more upset with Tubby if I was an outsider and didn't know about any injuries or transfers.
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So when the season is over with- what record will leave you happy and satisfied?
 

cncmin said:
What is this crap about UW losing "their best player"?? Gasser? Please. Maybe had they lost Berggren, they'd have had something to worry about. And the Gopherhole would bitch and moan and call the Gophers the "luckiest team on the planet" if they won 3 games as luckily and as ugly and got as many favorable calls and non-calls as Wisconsin did/does, yet when Wisconsin lucks out this board bows down to Bo Ryan? What is wrong with you people?

Fact of the matter is that Wisconsin had FOUR fouls called against them in the second half against Michigan, a team that takes the ball to the hoop as much as anyone else in the nation. Even after overtime, Michigan still wasn't in the bonus. That and 100% pure luck is why they won that game, on the backs of two other extremely lucky wins at Kohl Center in recent weeks.

Finally, Wisconsin benefits greatly by being where they are. Because Minnesota is the only D-1 school in a large state that produces a decent amount of D-1 basketball talent, Bo Ryan is able to take Minnesota's "leftovers" - which are as good as any "leftovers" in the country, and put a chip on their shoulder to make something of their careers. Good for him. But don't act like Bo Ryan is doing magic with talent-less chimps here, he gets plenty of talent, way too much of it from the state of the Gophers. He's a great coach, no doubt. But take away the Minnesota kids that fall in his lap and get rid of the ridiculous reffing bias blown his way, and the Badgers really wouldn't be all that good. Period.
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That was an awesome rant. I hope you feel better.

Gasser was going to play about 35 minutes a game at point guard. When he got hurt, they were left with 2 guys who have never played.

As a Gophers fan, I would not expect you to understand how valuable he would have been to the Badgers, because all he does is the important things that help teams win games. That is not cool in Gopherland. You have to win with style and athletes and coolness. Darn tough standard if you ask me.
 


GVBadger said:
That was an awesome rant. I hope you feel better.

Gasser was going to play about 35 minutes a game at point guard. When he got hurt, they were left with 2 guys who have never played.

As a Gophers fan, I would not expect you to understand how valuable he would have been to the Badgers, because all he does is the important things that help teams win games. That is not cool in Gopherland. You have to win with style and athletes and coolness. Darn tough standard if you ask me.
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Not sure how that proves he's your best player. I think the point is that it's pretty debatable. It's not like he's Burke or Thomas who are without a doubt, the best players on their team. A better way to say it is probably "one of their best players".

It's been said in other threads, but the big reason for such low scoring games this year is because the refs are letting guys get away with a lot on defense. Today was a great example. Wisconsin is very physical, yet had just three fouls in the second half and four minutes into OT. They take advantage of the offensive foul called way too much as well. I don't blame Wisconsin and Bo taking advantage of that. If that's how the refs are going to call it, why not take advantage of it? Jay Bilas said the other day that fouls called per game is down two this year. That's a huge drop.
 



GophersInIowa said:
Not sure how that proves he's your best player. I think the point is that it's pretty debatable. It's not like he's Burke or Thomas who are without a doubt, the best players on their team. A better way to say it is probably "one of their best players".

It's been said in other threads, but the big reason for such low scoring games this year is because the refs are letting guys get away with a lot on defense. Today was a great example. Wisconsin is very physical, yet had just three fouls in the second half and four minutes into OT. They take advantage of the offensive foul called way too much as well. I don't blame Wisconsin and Bo taking advantage of that. If that's how the refs are going to call it, why not take advantage of it? Jay Bilas said the other day that fouls called per game is down two this year. That's a huge drop.
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Gasser is a pretty good player. You must not be too familiar with him. He was probably our potentially most valuable player, like most point guards are. Its shocking you know so little about him and and the position. Yet you still post with such confidence.
also, We were not in the bonus until the last moment of the OT, they called it both ways. Against OSU last week we did not attempt 1 freethrow. We lost. No one blamed the Refs.
 

cncmin said:
What is this crap about UW losing "their best player"?? Gasser? Please. Maybe had they lost Berggren, they'd have had something to worry about. And the Gopherhole would bitch and moan and call the Gophers the "luckiest team on the planet" if they won 3 games as luckily and as ugly and got as many favorable calls and non-calls as Wisconsin did/does, yet when Wisconsin lucks out this board bows down to Bo Ryan? What is wrong with you people?

Fact of the matter is that Wisconsin had FOUR fouls called against them in the second half against Michigan, a team that takes the ball to the hoop as much as anyone else in the nation. Even after overtime, Michigan still wasn't in the bonus. That and 100% pure luck is why they won that game, on the backs of two other extremely lucky wins at Kohl Center in recent weeks.

Finally, Wisconsin benefits greatly by being where they are. Because Minnesota is the only D-1 school in a large state that produces a decent amount of D-1 basketball talent, Bo Ryan is able to take Minnesota's "leftovers" - which are as good as any "leftovers" in the country, and put a chip on their shoulder to make something of their careers. Good for him. But don't act like Bo Ryan is doing magic with talent-less chimps here, he gets plenty of talent, way too much of it from the state of the Gophers. He's a great coach, no doubt. But take away the Minnesota kids that fall in his lap and get rid of the ridiculous reffing bias blown his way, and the Badgers really wouldn't be all that good. Period.
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...and then they'll get a running team in the NCAA round of 32 and lose 80-57 in a game not nearly as close as the final score indicated.
 

Bigeddysprings said:
Gasser is a pretty good player. You must not be too familiar with him. He was probably our potentially most valuable player, like most point guards are. Its shocking you know so little about him and and the position.
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Good Lord, it's not that hard to figure out. Someone posted like he was "without a doubt" Wisconsin's best player. You even said in your post "potentially" which means maybe he would have been, maybe he wouldn't. He would have been one of your best players, not sure why you're acting like that's disrespecting him.

Its shocking you know so little about him and and the position.
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You're right, he's not a good player, he's totally awesome and probably would be better than Burke this year. Seriously, most people who wouldn't know much about him would think he's pretty average, considering he averaged just 7.6 points and 1.9 assists last year in 34 minutes. I know he's better than average, what's the problem?

also, We were not in the bonus until the last moment of the OT, they called it both ways.
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Your reading comprehension isn't very good, is it? First of all, I never said they didn't call it both ways. Secondly, the point was that Wisconsin plays very physical. Do you not agree?

Against OSU last week we did not attempt 1 freethrow.
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Which actually helps prove my point. The refs are calling less fouls now than ever before.

We lost. No one blamed the Refs.
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Please show where I was blaming the refs for anything. Seriously, is there some kind of alert email that is sent out to buckyville members whenever someone says anything about Wisconsin? I was actually trying to complement your team in a way. The refs are letting the players play more and more, and Wisconsin is taking advantage of that.
 




NO ONE in Minnesota will hire anyone that didn't graduate from the University of Minnesota.

College students LOVE spending time hanging out by all the lakes in Minnesota, IN JANUARY, and Feb, Mar, Dec and Nov as well, and well, Apr and Oct, too.

College students LOVE going to the Opera and to Museums and Timberwolves games, and Wild games, and Vikings games, and I've heard that several hundred recruits over the years have all said that they chose the Univ of Minnesota over all other schools, because of the perk of being near the Mall of America.

Oh, and college students CAN afford to go to all of those wonderful cultural events that the Twin Cities is so proud of.


College students HATE drinking and going to parties. They'd rather go OUT AND ABOUT in below freezing weather to artsy fartsy high brow cultural happenings.


And college students HATE schools with successful football programs, no, they much prefer schools with successful hockey programs. Oh wait, oops, I forgot Wisconsin has 6 Natl Titles to Minny's 5.



I mean, this is all common knowledge, isn't it?!

And I almost forgot, PRINCE, or the guy formally known as Prince, is from Minnesota!!!! That HAS to be a MUCH bigger selling point than anything Wisconsin could offer?! What could they possibly offer that beats out PRINCE?!

Beer and a college town atmosphere and THE VIOLENT FEMMES????

Give me a break, high school students are not attracted to such low brow things.
 

And the Big Ten SUCKS this year, omg, Minnesota should be 10-0 right now in conf.

Michigan?! Indiana?! Duke?! They ALL Suck. It's not like any of those teams have been ranked #1 or anything.

ROAD games?! HA!!!!! Cincy wins ALL of their road games, road games are EASY to win.



4 game losing streak?!!

Omg, we have to be the WORST TEAM EVER!!!!! And Tubby the WORST COACH EVER!!!!!!!



Come on people, every other team in the Top 25 is undefeated. The press is lying to you when they report that Kansas has lost THREE IN A ROW, the Louisville lost THREE IN A ROW, that Cincy lost THREE HOME GAMES IN A ROW, that Missouri has lost ALL 5 of their road games this season, that Indiana lost AT HOME vs Wisconsin, and you all know its a lie that they lost to Illinois. Media bias, its a conspiracy to fool IDIOT Gopher fans who dare to think the Gophers aren't the worst team in the world and who dare to think Tubby should be let to finish the season.


THE SEASON'S OVER people. Get over it, fire Tubby already. Seasons done. No hope, NO CHANCE whatsoever.


And we ALL know that no Big Ten team who has finished outside the Top 5 in the Big Ten has EVER made the NCAA tournament, much less made the Sweet 16 or Elite 8 or Final Four. Especially not the Gophers.




And also, its a lie of the media that Minnesota didn't dominate college basketball throughout the 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's. Those .500 records of Tubby's in conf play, were actually .800 records, it was a misprint.

And Musselman didn't EVER cheat, not once. Its a lie of the media that he committed over 100 NCAA infractions.

And rape? Who cares if players rape women. No one cares about things like that, especially not parents of young men and women. And those players were CLEARED of those charges. NO ONE remembers false allegations, EVER, that's a media myth as well.


And Clem, good ole Clem, he didn't cheat either. And he had 5 Sweet 16s and 4 Final Fours while Coaching the Gophers. Government agents rewrote history to make it look like the Gophers have one of THE WORST NCAA TOURNAMENT RESUMES EVER in cbb history.


and the truth doesn't matter anyway, we all know that, so lets lie to recruits and tell them that Minnesota has a GLORIOUS bb history. That we don't have close to the least amount of support for our program. The Barn is the greatest place to play on earth, some poll taken 30 years ago confirms it. It's a media lie that NO ONE lists The Barn as one of the top venues for cbb anymore.



How on earth any coach doesn't come to Minnesota and within 3 years have us in the Top 5 of the weakest conference in the nation, is beyond me?!

My little retarded sister could coach this group of 5 star recruits to an undefeated season. Tubby is the worst coach known to man.



Indiana and Michigan are having two of the worst seasons in each of their programs histories, and OSU and Mich St both SUCK. I've never seen such horrible basketball teams in my life.
 

#1nHkyCfbBsbDncSolarDebat said:
NO ONE in Minnesota will hire anyone that didn't graduate from the University of Minnesota.

College students LOVE spending time hanging out by all the lakes in Minnesota, IN JANUARY, and Feb, Mar, Dec and Nov as well, and well, Apr and Oct, too.

College students LOVE going to the Opera and to Museums and Timberwolves games, and Wild games, and Vikings games, and I've heard that several hundred recruits over the years have all said that they chose the Univ of Minnesota over all other schools, because of the perk of being near the Mall of America.

Oh, and college students CAN afford to go to all of those wonderful cultural events that the Twin Cities is so proud of.


College students HATE drinking and going to parties. They'd rather go OUT AND ABOUT in below freezing weather to artsy fartsy high brow cultural happenings.


And college students HATE schools with successful football programs, no, they much prefer schools with successful hockey programs. Oh wait, oops, I forgot Wisconsin has 6 Natl Titles to Minny's 5.



I mean, this is all common knowledge, isn't it?!

And I almost forgot, PRINCE, or the guy formally known as Prince, is from Minnesota!!!! That HAS to be a MUCH bigger selling point than anything Wisconsin could offer?! What could they possibly offer that beats out PRINCE?!

Beer and a college town atmosphere and THE VIOLENT FEMMES????

Give me a break, high school students are not attracted to such low brow things.
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I didn't realize the Violent Femmes were from Madison-- great trivia. The first time I realized I was getting old was when I heard "A raisin in the sun" in a commercial.

anyone that is saying how much better MN is as a college town or school has never been to Madison- especially on a nice spring day when you can stand beside a lake on campus with a pitcher of beer. Can't beat it.
 

#1nHkyCfbBsbDncSolarDebat said:
NO ONE in Minnesota will hire anyone that didn't graduate from the University of Minnesota.

College students LOVE spending time hanging out by all the lakes in Minnesota, IN JANUARY, and Feb, Mar, Dec and Nov as well, and well, Apr and Oct, too.

College students LOVE going to the Opera and to Museums and Timberwolves games, and Wild games, and Vikings games, and I've heard that several hundred recruits over the years have all said that they chose the Univ of Minnesota over all other schools, because of the perk of being near the Mall of America.

Oh, and college students CAN afford to go to all of those wonderful cultural events that the Twin Cities is so proud of.


College students HATE drinking and going to parties. They'd rather go OUT AND ABOUT in below freezing weather to artsy fartsy high brow cultural happenings.


And college students HATE schools with successful football programs, no, they much prefer schools with successful hockey programs. Oh wait, oops, I forgot Wisconsin has 6 Natl Titles to Minny's 5.



I mean, this is all common knowledge, isn't it?!

And I almost forgot, PRINCE, or the guy formally known as Prince, is from Minnesota!!!! That HAS to be a MUCH bigger selling point than anything Wisconsin could offer?! What could they possibly offer that beats out PRINCE?!

Beer and a college town atmosphere and THE VIOLENT FEMMES????

Give me a break, high school students are not attracted to such low brow things.
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Well, for what it's worth, I enjoyed my years at the U.
 

Minnesconsin fan said:
the harder they work the luckier they are.

as for the talent difference--Bo's players generally get better as their career progresses. Evans is the latest example. Not a world-beater now but as a freshman, Maverick was better than Evans was as a freshman. And I don't think Tubby got beat out on any of those players on the Badgers roster. I would guess the Gophers never even considered any of the current Badgers.(Dekker being the exception but everyone knew he was going to the Badgers all along). Next years Badgers recruits at least had the Gophers talking to them at one time so maybe we are making progress.
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...and yet...
 

Violent Femmes are not from Madison. They are from Milwaukee, like Harley-Davidson, Miller Beer and Ralph Malph, Squiggy and the Fonz. I hate Wisconsin, but there's plenty of good that came out of there.
 


GuyFawkes said:
this^^^

I don't get where people get this idea that we are a destination all these coaches and recruits want to come to, this whole thing reminds me of the glen mason situation, we all weren't happy with just making bowl games so we all wanted him out thinking we can do much better without him, now we all praise kill for getting us to ONE bowl game (only made it by scheduling the worst D1 programs), because we haven't made one in so long, when glen mason would always get to the bowl game. Everyone wishing for tubby gone, be careful what you are wishing for because you might regret it. Tubby and his national recognition is the only reason recruits out of state consider Minnesota, its not because of the barn or because Minnesota is a prestige basketball program, because it is not, unlike what a lot of you may think.
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Very good point. By nature most fans are knee jerk one way or another. Norwood Teague has a good chance to elevate the program in years to come. If facilities are addressed, an eventual top line replacement for Smith can be recruited and the level of players being recruited can improve. That being said folks should bear in mind that by coming to the U of M, Tubby has already elevated the National profile of the team and stabilized the program overall. This program was a disaster top to bottom under Monson / Maturi. It may not happen overnight, but things are trending in the right direction. Hopefully the leadership at the U uses more wisdom and patience in decision making than the average rube on these boards.
 

BTen said:
Very good point. By nature most fans are knee jerk one way or another. Norwood Teague has a good chance to elevate the program in years to come. If facilities are addressed, an eventual top line replacement for Smith can be recruited and the level of players being recruited can improve. That being said folks should bear in mind that by coming to the U of M, Tubby has already elevated the National profile of the team and stabilized the program overall. This program was a disaster top to bottom under Monson / Maturi. It may not happen overnight, but things are trending in the right direction. Hopefully the leadership at the U uses more wisdom and patience in decision making than the average rube on these boards.
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6 years is plenty patient you rube.
 



GophersInIowa said:
Someone posted like he was "without a doubt" Wisconsin's best player.

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I certainly did not want to make it sound like he was undoubtedly their best player, though it did sound like that from my post. I was just pointing out that if lost a player of that caliber, there would be lots of people making excuses about bad luck and injuries.
 

GopherRock said:
...and then they'll get a running team in the NCAA round of 32 and lose 80-57 in a game not nearly as close as the final score indicated.
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Talking about UW luck:
Didn't UW make it to the Final 8 one year without beating a team seeded higher than 8? And the next year didn't they play all low seeds again, and even end up losing to one of them?
 


bleedsmaroonandgold said:
I certainly did not want to make it sound like he was undoubtedly their best player, though it did sound like that from my post. I was just pointing out that if lost a player of that caliber, there would be lots of people making excuses about bad luck and injuries.
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Maybe, but see there's a big difference between Wisconsin "bad luck" and Minnesota "bad luck". Wisconsin "bad luck" sees a below-average point guard go down BEFORE the season with injury, allowing the team to be prepared to insert a talented young backup into the mix, mature that player through a blow-off non-conference schedule, and end up having a player who is just as good as the player he replaced by conference season. Minnesota "bad luck" sees the team's best all-around senior (Nolen) and glue of the team go down just into conference play, while the very talented player due to assume all of his minutes decides to quit the team at the same time, leaving no capable backup to play the position.

There is a HUGE difference.
 

Breakin' The Plane said:
Violent Femmes are not from Madison. They are from Milwaukee, like Harley-Davidson, Miller Beer and Ralph Malph, Squiggy and the Fonz. I hate Wisconsin, but there's plenty of good that came out of there.
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Good point. This helps to balance out the abundance of serial killers from that state.
 

After 7 years Clem Haskins had one winning Big Ten season (11-7) and had a Big Ten record of 48-78. Through 5 seasons Tubby's record is 38-52. There were a lot of people back then who thought Clem was a crappy coach as well. In 13 Big Ten Seasons Clem had two seasons where we won more than 10 games. The point is Tubby's record matches up pretty favorably to Clem's his first 7 seasons, and actually first 10 he was here. Had Al Nolen not gotten hurt two years ago and Mbakwe hadn't gotten hurt last year, it would be that much better. That's not taking into consideration the whole Royce White situation which really wasn't Tubby's fault at all. The worst part of the Gopher basketball situation right now is the pathetic fans who want to fire a coach on a team with a top 10 RPI, has played the 3rd most difficult SOS and is currently ranked in the AP Top 20. And you can call me a Rube if you want, but those are the facts.
 

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