Possible TCF Beer Garden that has U support?

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The Minnesota Orchestra, which has box seats of a sort, lets everybody at orchestra hall buy beer, wine, and hard liquor. Nobody in the cheap seats has yet to throw a drink at the cellist section. Alcohol is sold at a restaurant inside the MIA. Last I heard, no urn has been accidentally smashed by a rowdy patron. Beer is sold at the state capitol, a fact which I am still trying to comprehend since just about everything they do is nonsense. Although I have never seen a rep or senate page get smashed, I am sure it happens after hours. Wine is served at my church and the church softball league enforces the strike out rule. God thinks badly of beer. He is a wine man. Both the DFL and IR conventions serve beer in suites of the major candidates. The victors go on to the Peoples' Palace. The McNamara Center events serve booze. Makes the alumni look bad. Since many events at McNamara have children present, it makes us alumni look doubly bad. Events at the Presidents residence for recent graduates often has some alcohol present. My gawd, they must want us to drink, they send us off with booze and we celebrate it at McNamara! At the medical school, several events had alcohol present with med students around serving the public. My gawd! The corruption goes all the way through the medical community! My gawd, Dpo! Now they are proposing to sell that immoral corruption in a BEER TENT where students might walk by! OMG. The corruption is pandemic.
 



Just look...over 200 comments relating to beer and Dr.Don has said nothing. Why is that?
 

I think we could use a beer garden as a great promotion. For example instead of section 110 winning a chip clip from old dutch- they could win a bag of pretzels at the old dutch beer garden. Interest would really go up during the t.v. timeouts.Old Dutch would get great p.r. Yes, we might loss section 110 for part of the game, but they would come back-fueled, and loud!
 


we will win this week? said:
I think we could use a beer garden as a great promotion. For example instead of section 110 winning a chip clip from old dutch- they could win a bag of pretzels at the old dutch beer garden. Interest would really go up during the t.v. timeouts.Old Dutch would get great p.r. Yes, we might loss section 110 for part of the game, but they would come back-fueled, and loud!
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I went to a Minnesota Thunder "Thirsty Thursday" a few years back. The promo was that every time the Thunder scored, beer was a buck for 10 minutes. They won 7-1 and each time they scored, about 100 people SPRINTED to the cart. It was a hoot.

I only ran twice.

I walked the other times.
 


Judging by the amount of booze in the stadium already you'd think the whole damn place was a beer garden already. The "U" will have a beer garden and everything will be just fine. Chances are that if you don't want to take part you probably wouldn't even know it's there. BTW why do they call it a beer "garden", is that not wierd to anyone else? They don't grow beer there.

Another note- the university will not turn our stadium into some trailer park free-for-all as some of you suggest. It will be done responsibly and I for one am excited about the additional millions for the program.
 

Wouldn't mind a beer garden at TCF (as long as they don't call it a "garden"). Good idea revenue-wise although I think you need tight oversight on how much gets served, who gets served etc. A number of schools allow ticketholders to leave at halftime and reenter (use your imagination), so while I'm not justifying the idea outright its important to keep proper perspective on the issue of alcohol being served at college athletic events.

I don't believe that wanting to drink a beer at a college sporting event makes you an alcoholic. That's my opinion, not a "counterargument" so take it for what it is. No need to be disrespectful if you think otherwise, golden rule people.

Also a line needs to be drawn (for some) about the difference between drinking, and irresponsible drinking. If someone wants to have a beer that doesn't make them an idiot, especially at a sporting event. Not all drinking is irresponsible and it shouldn't be generalized as such.

Final note: maybe we wouldn't be having this discussion if our team didn't drive so many fans to drink right? :cool02:
 



westcoastgopher11 said:
Wouldn't mind a beer garden at TCF (as long as they don't call it a "garden"). Good idea revenue-wise although I think you need tight oversight on how much gets served, who gets served etc. A number of schools allow ticketholders to leave at halftime and reenter (use your imagination), so while I'm not justifying the idea outright its important to keep proper perspective on the issue of alcohol being served at college athletic events.

I don't believe that wanting to drink a beer at a college sporting event makes you an alcoholic. That's my opinion, not a "counterargument" so take it for what it is. No need to be disrespectful if you think otherwise, golden rule people.

Also a line needs to be drawn (for some) about the difference between drinking, and irresponsible drinking. If someone wants to have a beer that doesn't make them an idiot, especially at a sporting event. Not all drinking is irresponsible and it shouldn't be generalized as such.

Final note: maybe we wouldn't be having this discussion if our team didn't drive so many fans to drink right? :cool02:
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Great point. Living in Sioux Falls I have many friends that are season ticket holders to Nebraska. They all talk about leaving at half-time to their tailgating spot and enjoying a beer and some have a smoke and then re-enter and watch the 2nd half. I really wish we could do that at our stadium.

Really nice post overall, I agree with you.
 

JoeDirt said:
Great point. Living in Sioux Falls I have many friends that are season ticket holders to Nebraska. They all talk about leaving at half-time to their tailgating spot and enjoying a beer and some have a smoke and then re-enter and watch the 2nd half. I really wish we could do that at our stadium.
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Trust me when I say you don't have to leave the stadium to do all this.
 

***Disclaimer***I freely admit to being in the dark here, but are there lobbyists at a local level? Would Sally's, Stub and Herb's and especially Buffalo Wild Wings try to fight this tooth and nail? I'm guessing this would take a chunk out of their sales.
 




dpodoll68 said:
No, it's not obvious at all, because I don't and have never had issues with alcohol, nor has anyone close to me. Why on Earth would you jump to that ridiculous and terrible conclusion? It's obvious you've had some negative experiences with making sh*t up and you're projecting your terrible sh*t-making-upedness on the rest of us.

I care deeply about the University of Minnesota and what actions it takes, along with the image that it has created and will continue to create for itself in the larger academic community. I am an alumnus and an employee. It upsets me greatly to think that my school would ever send the message that it's ok to sell alcohol to its own students. Madison selling alcohol at its student union is bad enough, but even those alcoholics know that selling alcohol to its own general student population at a sporting event is a terrible idea and one that should never happen.

But yeah, I only care "way too much" because some anonymous idiot on a message board thinks my dad was a drunk. Next I suppose you'll tell me he beat me and called me names too? I will never understand why some f*cking morons think it's ok or appropriate to bring up people's personal lives on a message board as if it has anything to do with anything. It is way, way over the line and is completely unacceptable. You don't have anything to counter the message, so you make sh*t up so as to attempt to defame, disparage, or humiliate the poster rather than deal with the issue itself. If you don't have anything to say about the topic at hand, shut your idiot mouth and don't say anything at all.
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Its not worth the trouble to respond to such uninformed rubes. I agree 100 percent with your view. Beer garden is a stupid concession for passing this "law".
 

dpodoll68 said:
My dad is still alive. And no, he isn't or wasn't an alcoholic. What's your point? What does that have to do with anything? I can't think that a university selling alcohol to its own students goes against everything a university's mission statement is supposed to be unless my dad was an alcoholic? Was your dad a hit-and-run d*uche with terrible opinions?
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Why the hell is the Universirty in the business of telling folks of drinking age when and where they can drink? Pretty easy to what side of the aisle you sit on. You sell beer at sporting events because it earns money and it is a LEGAL activity. You card the hell out of everyone and make sure you are of age. You stop selling at the beginning of the 4th quarter. Beer can be managed by the University.
 

Sparlimb said:
Why the hell is the Universirty in the business of telling folks of drinking age when and where they can drink? Pretty easy to what side of the aisle you sit on. You sell beer at sporting events because it earns money and it is a LEGAL activity. You card the hell out of everyone and make sure you are of age. You stop selling at the beginning of the 4th quarter. Beer can be managed by the University.
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Well, I guess that settles everything!!!

The thing that bothers me is the dysfunctional MN legislature was well aware of the UM plans to sell booze in the suites. Taps and all the hardware were installed as part of the total expense. Then they decided to micro manage the UM's affairs. Yet the UM had been selling booze in other venues in the past. Plus the UM has allowed drinks to be sold at the Mac Center. Where were the loonies from St. Paul when all that happened?

Get out the way and let the UM decide.

Me? They should allow booze in the suites as part of the original plan and then forget about a beer garden. And if some needs a drink that bad at a game, then purchase a suite.
 

Let's keep this simple:

Anyone who supports the state's "all or none" legislation on this issue is either stupid or a terrible human being.

It really isn't any more complicated than that. You're one or the other.
 

Sparlimb said:
Why the hell is the Universirty in the business of telling folks of drinking age when and where they can drink? Pretty easy to what side of the aisle you sit on. You sell beer at sporting events because it earns money and it is a LEGAL activity. You card the hell out of everyone and make sure you are of age. You stop selling at the beginning of the 4th quarter. Beer can be managed by the University.
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I drink beer but not at football games. To many trips to the john. I do love a cigar at a game. We use to smoke them at the old Met. Had them at Jack Murphy in San Diego, the Oakland Coliseum and The Big A in Anaheim. Probably smoked them at Memorial too but I can't remember.

Thought those days were gone for good and didn't think it was that big a deal. The vote to ban alcohol in the Suites at the Legislature had wide (and idiotic) support on both sides of the aisle so you must have some special pull over there. Since you're not a Democrat or a Republican I don't know what "aisle" you are on, but please work on getting the cigar ban lifted as well, and I don't mind being card either.
 

JoeDirt said:
My quest for that spot will endure, especially for that drunken ciggy!;):cool02:
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Just move into the upper deck of the student section, it's a lawless zone. One time I managed to get several beers in my jacket and past the ticket takers. My brother and I enjoyed several cold ones and a few cigarettes. I even bummed one off another non-student several rows down after I saw puffs of smoke. No one around me seemed to care. If they did they didn't say anything.
 

Bayfieldgopher said:
Well, I guess that settles everything!!!

The thing that bothers me is the dysfunctional MN legislature was well aware of the UM plans to sell booze in the suites. Taps and all the hardware were installed as part of the total expense. Then they decided to micro manage the UM's affairs. Yet the UM had been selling booze in other venues in the past. Plus the UM has allowed drinks to be sold at the Mac Center. Where were the loonies from St. Paul when all that happened?

Get out the way and let the UM decide.

Me? They should allow booze in the suites as part of the original plan and then forget about a beer garden. And if some needs a drink that bad at a game, then purchase a suite.
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Was that a quarter horse or a Clydesdale you are sitting on?
 

Goldmember said:
Let's keep this simple:

Anyone who supports the state's "all or none" legislation on this issue is either stupid or a terrible human being.

It really isn't any more complicated than that. You're one or the other.
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Terrible. Just terrible.
 

Iceland12 said:
I drink beer but not at football games. To many trips to the john. I do love a cigar at a game. We use to smoke them at the old Met. Had them at Jack Murphy in San Diego, the Oakland Coliseum and The Big A in Anaheim. Probably smoked them at Memorial too but I can't remember.

Thought those days were gone for good and didn't think it was that big a deal. The vote to ban alcohol in the Suites at the Legislature had wide (and idiotic) support on both sides of the aisle so you must have some special pull over there. Since you're not a Democrat or a Republican I don't know what "aisle" you are on, but please work on getting the cigar ban lifted as well, and I don't mind being card either.
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I actually don't care if they sell alcohol or not (I never enjoyed paying dome prices for crappy beer). I just get annoyed with the legislature getting involved at all, and the strong opinions saying it is a "must" to ban it. It can be handled if they choose to. And while smoking in the seats will never come back, I'd have no problem if they said folks could go to the top level walkway and have a smoke up there. My daughter told me Mankato just banned all tobacco products on campus, so it will be interesting to see if the U follows suit...
 

discochris said:
Well, the example of UMD hockey doesn't really work here, because Amsoil is off-campus. The same is "technically" true for Ralph Englestead in Grand Forks, where they also sell beer.
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I wasn't using the UMD hockey example in terms of legality or the off campus vs on campus argument. In fact, you can't buy alcohol in Amsoil Arena (you need to leave the arena - albeit about 50 feet away). I was using it to illustrate that you can have a beer garden of sorts at a college event and keep it under control. I've had many fun conversations with fellow Gopher fans and some UMD fans in the Blue Line Club.

I really don't care that much either way on this issue myself. I know I don't want a bunch of drunken fans puking all around me (like a Vikings game), but I just don't see a beer garden causing that to happen either. I don't think I'd buy any beer at a beer garden anyway (or alcohol in suites), but I like the idea of it helping the Gophers generate revenue and make the Gopher ticket a more sought after commodity.
 

Goldmember said:
Let's keep this simple:

Anyone who supports the state's "all or none" legislation on this issue is either stupid or a terrible human being.

It really isn't any more complicated than that. You're one or the other.
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Only a sith deals in absolutes...
 

Sparlimb said:
My daughter told me Mankato just banned all tobacco products on campus, so it will be interesting to see if the U follows suit...
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When I was an undergrad a few years back it was brought up a couple years in a row to student leaders. It largely got laughed out of the room.
 

Goldmember said:
Let's keep this simple:

Anyone who supports the state's "all or none" legislation on this issue is either stupid or a terrible human being.

It really isn't any more complicated than that. You're one or the other.
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Am I the only one that finds the beautiful irony of that post? Well done, Goldmember!! :clap:
 

Goldmember said:
Let's keep this simple:

Anyone who supports the state's "all or none" legislation on this issue is either stupid or a terrible human being.

It really isn't any more complicated than that. You're one or the other.
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BOTTOM LINE:

Let the University run it's own business. Not you, me or the legislature.
 

station19 said:
BOTTOM LINE:

Let the University run it's own business. Not you, me or the legislature.
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I agree with you if taxpayer dollars are not involved. But when they are NOBODY can be trusted to do the right thing. Not the Governor, Legislature, or the people who run the U. For evidence all you need to do is read about Bruinink's financial shenanigans to insure he had a soft place to land after he retired.

The Legislature needs to provide extremely close oversight of the U and they did the right thing on the beer issue. The beer garden is the right solution to the U's problem and the only people who will not be happy with it are a few extremely inflexible GopherHolers who want things the way they want them and everyone else can go screw themselves.
 

Go4Broke said:
I agree with you if taxpayer dollars are not involved. But when they are NOBODY can be trusted to do the right thing. Not the Governor, Legislature, or the people who run the U. For evidence all you need to do is read about Bruinink's financial shenanigans to insure he had a soft place to land after he retired.

The Legislature needs to provide extremely close oversight of the U and they did the right thing on the beer issue. The beer garden is the right solution to the U's problem and the only people who will not be happy with it are a few extremely inflexible GopherHolers who want things the way they want them and everyone else can go screw themselves.
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Oh for craps sake...there are no tax dollars involved here. And the Legistlature has only one legit oversight power over the U. The appropriations power. Otherwise the U's decisions are protected under their constitutional autonomy.
 

Go4Broke said:
I agree with you if taxpayer dollars are not involved. But when they are NOBODY can be trusted to do the right thing. Not the Governor, Legislature, or the people who run the U.
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Go4Broke said:
For evidence all you need to do is read about Bruinink's financial shenanigans to insure he had a soft place to land after he retired.

The Legislature needs to provide extremely close oversight of the U and they did the right thing on the beer issue. The beer garden is the right solution to the U's problem and the only people who will not be happy with it are a few extremely inflexible GopherHolers who want things the way they want them and everyone else can go screw themselves.
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So essentially you don't agree with me and you don't trust anyone. Who is the Big Brother you are looking for.

GoAUpher said:
Oh for craps sake...there are no tax dollars involved here. And the Legistlature has only one legit oversight power over the U. The appropriations power. Otherwise the U's decisions are protected under their constitutional autonomy.
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Why can't the legislators figure this out.
 

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