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Pompous Elitist said:
Which of the two games seems more fluky in hindsight? OSU didn’t look great pretty much all year but are ripping up the playoff field, when the chips are down. I think that’s part of the essence of sports, at least if not moreso than the wins and losses of a short regular season. They played well enough to qualify for the tourney. I think the poll ship has sailed and the tournament will be very popular with fans and conferences. Ok, maybe not the SEC and the circular reasoning on poll rankings that support them.
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Ohio state looked great this year.
They were 10-2
Lost on the road to the only unbeaten because there were 60 minutes in the game rather than 60:02.
They lost to a rival who won 8 games in a game they played bad in the redzone.
They beat 2 of the top 10 teams in the final regular season poll.


Only 4 teams were within one score of them this year. All 4 were bowl teams. 2 of them were in the final top 10.

It’s odd people forgave Georgia for losing to bama and getting RUN by ole Miss but can’t forgive Ohio States loss

Not sure what season you watched if you didn’t think Ohio state looked good all year.
 

Some guy said:
Ohio state looked great this year.
They were 10-2
Lost on the road to the only unbeaten because there were 60 minutes in the game rather than 60:02.
They lost to a rival who won 8 games in a game they played bad in the redzone.
They beat 2 of the top 10 teams in the final regular season poll.


Only 4 teams were within one score of them this year. All 4 were bowl teams. 2 of them were in the final top 10.

It’s odd people forgave Georgia for losing to bama and getting RUN by ole Miss but can’t forgive Ohio States loss
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I didn’t think Georgia looked great either.

Performing better than or squeaking by another team, and looking like a historically great team are two different things. I can’t quantify it but we’re seeing more parity, less juggernaut this year.

That’s why I give the Irish a fighting chance.
 

Pompous Elitist said:
I didn’t think Georgia looked great either.

Performing better than or squeaking by another team, and looking like a historically great team are two different things. I can’t quantify it but we’re seeing more parity, less juggernaut this year.

That’s why I give the Irish a fighting chance.
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I think the Irish have a chance too

But Ohio state won games by the following margins this year:
46 vs MAC
56 vs MAC
35 vs G5 team who made their conference title game
31 vs 5 win P4 team
28 vs 8 win P4 team
-1 vs 13 win P4 team
4 vs 7 win P4 team
7 vs 13 win P4 team
45 Vs 2 win P4 team
24 vs 5 win P4 team
23 vs 11 win P4 team
-3 vs 8 win P4 team

They looked like a top 2 team every week except one. They looked great. And I thought they were a coin flip to win the national title when the bracket turned out depending on if they beat Oregon
To say they didn’t look great most of the year is a ridiculous thing to say.
 

I see conventional wisdom has the Domers as a 9.5 pt dog. That seems a little optimistic given their struggles to move the ball versus Texas, who had really struggled to stop Arizona State. Riley’s elite mobility will be a wildcard, and Father Dowd will need to bless the receiver’s hands again. Can their ragtag defense bend but not break versus Ohio State’s five star talent. Will Howard implode in a close game. Will Ryan Day decide he wants to run the ball.
 

Some guy said:
I think the Irish have a chance too

But Ohio state won games by the following margins this year:
46 vs MAC
56 vs MAC
35 vs G5 team who made their conference title game
31 vs 5 win P4 team
28 vs 8 win P4 team
-1 vs 13 win P4 team
4 vs 7 win P4 team
7 vs 13 win P4 team
45 Vs 2 win P4 team
24 vs 5 win P4 team
23 vs 11 win P4 team
-3 vs 8 win P4 team

They looked like a top 2 team every week except one. They looked great. And I thought they were a coin flip to win the national title when the bracket turned out depending on if they beat Oregon
To say they didn’t look great most of the year is a ridiculous thing to say.
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They didn’t look great.

They’ve looked sorta great in the playoff. And that’s good enough.
 




Pompous Elitist said:
Two losses should disqualify a regular season as “great” but I think good people can disagree on this.
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I didn’t say they had a great season. You said


“OSU didn’t look great pretty much all year“
Which is patently wrong

They looked great all year with the exception of one Saturday
 

Pompous Elitist said:
Which of the two games seems more fluky in hindsight? OSU didn’t look great pretty much all year but are ripping up the playoff field, when the chips are down. I think that’s part of the essence of sports, at least if not moreso than the wins and losses of a short regular season. They played well enough to qualify for the tourney. I think the poll ship has sailed and the tournament will be very popular with fans and conferences. Ok, maybe not the SEC and the circular reasoning on poll rankings that support them.
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I always had a HUGE issue with the polls, because the Big Ten was at a disadvantage when the number of bowls expanded. Being locked into the Rose Bowl against a Pac 10 team meant they would basically never play for a hypothetical poll championship and I believe that affected the polls.

From 1978, when 1-A and 1-AA officially split, to the final year before the BCS, 1997, the Big 10 and Pac 10 each only won one title, and both were split. USC in 1978, and Michigan in 1997.
And before that, you'd have to go back to 1970 for another Big Ten team.
 



disco said:
disco said:
I always had a HUGE issue with the polls, because the Big Ten was at a disadvantage when the number of bowls expanded. Being locked into the Rose Bowl against a Pac 10 team meant they would basically never play for a hypothetical poll championship and I believe that affected the polls.

From 1978, when 1-A and 1-AA officially split, to the final year before the BCS, 1997, the Big 10 and Pac 10 each only won one title, and both were split. USC in 1978, and Michigan in 1997.
And before that, you'd have to go back to 1970 for another Big Ten team.
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Yup
I would have to go look it up to see how often it happened.

But if you’re top 3 and the other two in the top 3 are playing each other you basically have no shot unless they tied or number 1 coming in by a significant margin
 

Some guy said:
I didn’t say they had a great season. You said


“OSU didn’t look great pretty much all year“
Which is patently wrong

They looked great all year with the exception of one Saturday
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I didn’t think they looked great. They looked good/very good but far less than the juggernaut people expected. I’m not going to budge on this.
 







Some guy said:
What is the benefit of that?
What makes that playoff a better playoff?
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That would look like
Boise state @ Indiana
Winner plays Oregon

Clemson @ Notre dame
Winner plays Penn state

SMU @ Tennessee
Winner plays Georgia

Arizona State @ Ohio State
Winner plays Texas

I just don’t understand why that playoff is significantly better?

Oregon gets a fairer draw. That’s the biggest upside. But that’s true with the other format if the committee ranked Ohio state properly.


SMU, Tennessee, and Georgia are 3 of the bottom 4 teams in this playoff in my opinion and one of them would’ve been locked into the final 4.
We probably get two semi final games in the quarters instead of semis

Assuming things go chalk or how they went if it was a game that was played…semi finals would’ve been Ohio State vs Georgia and Oregon vs Notre Dame

Is that better or about the same?
 
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cheeseheadgophfan said:
I like the current set-up. I would just eliminate the conference champs getting the automatic bye. Seed the teams one through 12. Top seeds get to bye.
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I think you have too much faith in human rankings not being biased. Go with the top three highest rated conference champs get the bye (winning big games matters) along with the remaining highest rated team. That would have eliminated Arizona State from getting a bye which was by far the least deserving based on strength of schedule and CFP ranking. They would have gone from the four seed to the eleventh only above Clemson and only one spot higher than their CFP ranking.

Byes would have gone to Oregon (1 seed), Georgia (2), Texas (3) (highest ranked CFP non-conf champ), Boise State (4).

Yes, Boise State would have gotten the last bye with a CFP ranking of nine, but people could live with that. They hung tough with Oregon and all the teams ranked above them in the CFP that don't get a bye - Indiana, Tennessee, Ohio State, Notre Dame and Penn State - lost at least one very meaningful game so who cares. Actually, Boise State had the best loss of the group. Penn State is the team that loses the bye in this scenario, but they get CFP 16th ranked Clemson in the first round and had two losses on the year including just LOSING in the B1G championship game so cry me a river!

Only two teams were really deserving of first round byes this year in my opinion - Oregon and Georgia.
 

Some guy said:
So did Indiana?
So why behind Penn state who they beat head to head but not behind Indiana who they beat head to head?
Penn state’s best win was Illinois
Indiana’s was Michigan

So the committee makes up shit. If they’re going to just make it up on the fly…how can you not put Ohio state ahead of Penn state. Especially when Penn state then picked up a second loss…and the only reason Ohio state had two losses is because they already played the team that ended up giving Penn state their second loss
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Penn State got a resume boosting win against the Gophers. Enough said.
 



cheeseheadgophfan said:
I don’t have a great answer for that, but ASU and Boise getting first round byes for winning lesser conferences makes no sense… I don’t mind that they get an automatic bid, but there’s gotta be a better way to set up the brackets.
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Go to 16. No byes.
 

I'm looking for the B1G to have 10 preseason top 25 ranked teams this fall as it clearly is the best cfb conference in the land! Am I right?
 


cheeseheadgophfan said:
I don’t have a great answer for that, but ASU and Boise getting first round byes for winning lesser conferences makes no sense… I don’t mind that they get an automatic bid, but there’s gotta be a better way to set up the brackets.
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ASU Texas was an epic game, they definitely belonged. The spread on that game was 13.5 points which illustrates the common man/conventional wisdom knows nothing. As far as Boise getting a bid ahead of eg Penn State it’s solely because they won their conference. I think that’s a better system than giving very flawed Penn State or Texas teams that spot. Boise was a decent QB away from making that one a game too.

Next year chances are the ACC take the bye spot.
 


Pompous Elitist said:
ASU Texas was an epic game, they definitely belonged. The spread on that game was 13.5 points which illustrates the common man/conventional wisdom knows nothing. As far as Boise getting a bid ahead of eg Penn State it’s solely because they won their conference. I think that’s a better system than giving very flawed Penn State or Texas teams that spot. Boise was a decent QB away from making that one a game too.

Next year chances are the ACC take the bye spot.
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Agree. Who says ASU didn't deserve that spot? It's all perception.

Boise's only loss was a last second FG AT Oregon. Who says they didn't deserve it. Anyway Boise, getting that bye was likely a one year anomaly. The ACC is going to have a team in that spot that is deserving almost every year.
 


WilliamsArenaGuy said:
Agree. Who says ASU didn't deserve that spot? It's all perception.

Boise's only loss was a last second FG AT Oregon. Who says they didn't deserve it. Anyway Boise, getting that bye was likely a one year anomaly. The ACC is going to have a team in that spot that is deserving almost every year.
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Boise, ASU and Indiana were all really, really good football teams this season.
 

upnorthkid said:
No. Probably between 6-8. Same as it is every year
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