Big Ten QB ratings after week 1

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beatles said:
The one you started this thread with, QB rating. Based on that stat alone it looks like Gray played great. It's the reason you picked that stat, so you could say, "see guys he really wasn't that bad after all."
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I did no such thing. I posted a factual set of factual stats. It devolved into a Gray argument from there.
 

dpodoll68 said:
I did no such thing. I posted a factual set of factual stats. It devolved into a Gray argument from there.
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Are you serious? You sarcastically said, "Man, if only MarQueis hadn't had such a horrible game last Thursday."

You were clearly using this stat as a way to show he didnt play that bad and you know that was your intention. At least have the balls to stand by your own thread.

And again, you talking about factual stats is hilarious after you just ignore the fact of 9 overthrows compared to the 5 you claim.
 


Nine overthrows is most certainly not a fact.

Overtime is part of the game.
 



Fuzzy Rumpton said:
He still arm punts the ball but he was very accurate on Saturday
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Meh, he's mechanics is odd.. but his footwork was by FAR better than years past.

He's throwing motion reminds me of one our our high school's QB. His name was 'SlingShot'. Yes, for the reason you think.
 

beatles said:
Are you serious? You sarcastically said, "Man, if only MarQueis hadn't had such a horrible game last Thursday."

You were clearly using this stat as a way to show he didnt play that bad and you know that was your intention. At least have the balls to stand by your own thread.

And again, you talking about factual stats is hilarious after you just ignore the fact of 9 overthrows compared to the 5 you claim.
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When you stop pointing to the 9 bad passes and look at the 17 good ones (not including dropped balls), then you can make a valid point.

Look, Queis was mediocre Thursday night. But given what we've seen from him last year, it was an improvement.
 


Stan The Caddy said:
Exactly. DPO called it a medicore game. Did they teach reading comprehension at St. John's?
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Apparently not. I was commenting on how Dpo said how horrible Marquise played. When your QB misses 30 points in regulation and his stats are padded by starting 3 OT possessions from your opponents 25, I would call that horrible.

Like I said, I've seen better pure passers come through the MIAC.

What they do teach at SJU is how to win football games, how to show school spirit by showing up to games when you are a student, and how to actually cheer.
 



Man, this is a fun thread.

5 interceptions would be a horrible game.

3 fumbles would be horrible.

35% completion ratio would be bad.

5 to 9 poorly thrown passes is disappointing.

One tipped-ball interception combined with solid, clutch, OT play ain't bad.

Given the state of this rebuilding team, expecting our QB to be consistently great is a bit of a stretch.

Hey, we won the damned game, and in the end, MarQueis was a big part of how that happened. He got better as the game progressed, and that is something to build on.
 

MrC said:
Man, this is a fun thread.

5 interceptions would be a horrible game.

3 fumbles would be horrible.

35% completion ratio would be bad.

5 to 9 poorly thrown passes is disappointing.

One tipped-ball interception combined with solid, clutch, OT play ain't bad.

Given the state of this rebuilding team, expecting our QB to be consistently great is a bit of a stretch.

Hey, we won the damned game, and in the end, MarQueis was a big part of how that happened. He got better as the game progressed, and that is something to build on.
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I don't even wanna see how people would be reacting if we lost the damned game. Hopefully I don't find out the next couple weeks...
 


Can we please put the past behind us and stop all "if's". What is important, we won the god damned game at UNLV. Let's look ahead to Saturday versus New Hampshire, and allow our Coaching Staff and Players work to make things better this upcoming game.

I think they will do us proud.

Go Gophers!!!
 




Dr.Don said:
Can we please put the past behind us and stop all "if's". What is important, we won the god damned game at UNLV. Let's look ahead to Saturday versus New Hampshire, and allow our Coaching Staff and Players work to make things better this upcoming game.

I think they will do us proud.

Go Gophers!!!
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We can get replacement refs you know.

They're quite in vogue now.
 

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Originally Posted by station19
Judging a QB by his stats is like judging a recruit by his # of stars.


Well Did he play in OT or not. If he did they count. End of story.

How are these two posts related? Or did you just hit the wrong button?
 

Personal opinion on Gray's performance in game 1

1st quarter - bad
2nd quarter - bad
3rd quarter - bad
4th quarter - average
OTs - great

Expecting much better out of Gray than what he showed early on. The first 3 quarters he was just plain off - he is much better than that and he and Coach Kill know that. Overall a below average performance but thankfully he recovered. Here's hoping that he continues where he left off on Thursday and if he does we will cruise against UNH.
 

dpodoll68 said:
Overtime is part of the gsme [sic].
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Overtime is definitely part of the game. When you suck in regulation against UNLV, that is.

Grey's rating in regulation = 109.7

Are you really satisfied with that type of performance from one of the top 0.1% of football players of all time?
 

If Gray's play was fine, then why did we barely win? It's that simple.
 

It wasn't fine - but it wasn't that bad and he came through in the OT. And we WON!

He was not throwing the ball all over the place, wide right and left and long and short, like last year. Just over-throwing. If he doesn't settle down in the next week or so, I'll start to worry.
 

btowngopher said:
If Gray's play was fine, then why did we barely win? It's that simple.
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So, if someone says that he wasn't horrible, that means they are saying that they are saying that it is fine? The world's not that simplistic. The problem with calling his play horrible is that you run out adjectives - his play could have been worse, and then what would we call it?
 

RodentRampage said:
So, if someone says that he wasn't horrible, that means they are saying that they are saying that it is fine? The world's not that simplistic. The problem with calling his play horrible is that you run out adjectives - his play could have been worse, and then what would we call it?
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Really, really poopy.
 

For some of the people on this board there is no middle ground.

They are trying to make the argument "If Gray played perfect, we win this game going away" as "proof" that Gray played poorly.

However, they fail to acknowledge that if Gray continued playing terrible that we would have lost.

He played 3 bad quarters of football and followed it up with a really good 4th quarter and OT. He played decent. IMO.

It's insane to focus on the bad throws and not acknowledge the good, and vice versa.
 


dpodoll68 said:
1. Taylor Martinez 212.5
2. Danny O'Brien 191.3
3. Robert Marve 164.9
4. Braxton Miller 158.3
5. Kain Colter 152.1
6. MarQueis Gray 147.3
7. Tre Roberson 146.7
8. N. Scheelhaase 127.1
9. Matt McGloin 111.3
10. D. Robinson 104.2
11. A. Maxwell 96.9
12. J. Vandenberg 96.5


Man, if only MarQueis hadn't had such a horrible game last Thursday.
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Thank God he was bad enough to get it into overtime eh?
 

Some Day...Is Coming! said:
Thank God he was bad enough to get it into overtime eh?
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What do you mean?

Should we not count how he performed in OT?

If he would have had a good 3 quarters and an awful 4th quarter and OT would you have dismissed those poor stats as well?
 

RodentRampage said:
So, if someone says that he wasn't horrible, that means they are saying that they are saying that it is fine? The world's not that simplistic. The problem with calling his play horrible is that you run out adjectives - his play could have been worse, and then what would we call it?
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If someone says he was average, I think that's what dpoll said, then yeah that means they are saying he played fine. Fine, ok, average, they basically mean the same thing to me anyways. No one defending Gray's play can tell me why we barely won. The WRs played a good game, the rbs played a ok game, the OL played a decent game, the defense played a pretty good game. The special teams were subpar and Gray was subpar. If Gray's play was ok, then we are a really bad team, because that means our whole team played decent to good except special teams and we barely beat a really bad team.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
For some of the people on this board there is no middle ground.

They are trying to make the argument "If Gray played perfect, we win this game going away" as "proof" that Gray played poorly.

However, they fail to acknowledge that if Gray continued playing terrible that we would have lost.

He played 3 bad quarters of football and followed it up with a really good 4th quarter and OT. He played decent. IMO.

It's insane to focus on the bad throws and not acknowledge the good, and vice versa.
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As far as I recall, I haven't rewatched the game although I would like to if anyone has a link where I can watch it online, Gray didn't really play "better" in OT. He just avoided the deep throws he struggled with in regulation. For the most part during regulation he was accurate on the shorter throws and that just continued into OT. I think claiming some kind of "improvement" in OT is just inaccurate since he didn't hit a deep ball or three. We'll just have to see how that shakes out against UNH and beyond.

On a separate note the last few pages of this thread have turned into a semantics argument and nobody is going to win it because words mean different things to different people.
 

btowngopher said:
If someone says he was average, I think that's what dpoll said, then yeah that means they are saying he played fine. Fine, ok, average, they basically mean the same thing to me anyways. No one defending Gray's play can tell me why we barely won. The WRs played a good game, the rbs played a ok game, the OL played a decent game, the defense played a pretty good game. The special teams were subpar and Gray was subpar. If Gray's play was ok, then we are a really bad team, because that means our whole team played decent to good except special teams and we barely beat a really bad team.
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As I've already stated in this thread, there were several reasons why we barely won. Gray played poorly for most of regulation, we had a horrible 3rd down conversion percentage, we had several terrible and/or poorly timed penalties on both O and D , our kicker missed a chip-shot FG, Stoud gift-wrapped a TD with a terrible fumble, etc. Further, everyone is assuming UNLV is "really bad" based on the fact that they were last season, and most of the time in recent history. Perhaps they are. Perhaps they aren't. One game is not enough of a sample size to make that determination.
 

dpodoll68 said:
As I've already stated in this thread, there were several reasons why we barely won. Gray played poorly for most of regulation, we had a horrible 3rd down conversion percentage, we had several terrible and/or poorly timed penalties on both O and D , our kicker missed a chip-shot FG, Stoud gift-wrapped a TD with a terrible fumble, etc. Further, everyone is assuming UNLV is "really bad" based on the fact that they were last season, and most of the time in recent history. Perhaps they are. Perhaps they aren't. One game is not enough of a sample size to make that determination.
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The ball was put in the hands of Gray to either run or pass on 10 of the 12 3rd downs we failed to convert. UNLV threw 3 bad interceptions, 2 in the redzone and one that gave us the ball on there 25, in comparison we threw one in the redzone and troy's fumble gave unlv the ball on the 33. UNLV had 4 less penalties for 32 less yards, doesn't seem all that significant. I'll concede the missed fg, but then again they had 2 redzone ints to our 1, so I'll take that back, missed fg is a wash.
 

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