Big Ten QB ratings after week 1

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Bayfieldgopher said:
Huh? Terrible? The sole reason the game was close?

Q did not fumble, the lone INT was a tipped pass which may have been an errant pass, he came through in the clutch as he completed 67% of his passes and two scores, for the most part made good reads, put together some good runs, seemed to have control of the huddle and play calling, etc. OK, he badly missed on five wide open receivers. Tell us, what else did he do so horribly?

"Sole reason that game was close"? I don't recall him jumping offside on third down, making personal fouls and PI, blotched punt return, missed FG that kept UNLV in the game.

Gray did not have a great game but he and other Srs. (Rabe, Troy, Wettstein, etc.) stepped up when it counted. I'll take 147 anyday.
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Gray's 337 total offensive yards were most for a Gophers QB in the first game since Tim Schade had 536 in 1993.

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According to Minnesota's notes this week, MarQueis Gray's 269-yard passing performance against UNLV was best for MN since 2004.

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Best for a Gophers QB in an opening game that is.

And as for that whole YAC thing ... Food for thought, Tom Brady had 3 recievers land in the top 10 for YAC (Welker - 1, Gronk - 4, Hernandez - 9). Hopefully the Pats do the right thing and take away all of Brady's passing yards, who knew they were cheating the stat books too in order to make Tom look more terrific ... I mean, over 50% of his passing yards were due to YAC. For you Packer fans out there, Aaron Rodgers was also slightly over 50%. Not even remotely trying to say Q is as good as either QB, but just saying EVERY QB gets help from YAC.

The nice thing is, Gray missed some wide open WR's for touchdowns and we still won and he still had a decent passing game. If he had hit on all of those throws? You'd be looking at some pretty incredible numbers. Agree with above, Q had an average game. He makes those throws and it is a perfect game, a game that sets records. This isn't he played horrible, but he'd have been average if he hit those throws. This is, he played average, he'd have been phenominal had he hit those throws.

NOTE: ESPN does not show YAC for the Gopher players, so not sure how Q compares as far as YAC / Passing yards.
 

dpodoll68 said:
Yes, I'm dead serious. How is ignoring all the good throws and focusing on the bad ones any different than ignoring all the bad throws and looking only at the good ones?
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I guess the bottom line for me is this. There were way too many bad throws, especially in crucial situations for me to say Gray was even average. Had he been average I think we win by two touchdowns. Had he been good, we win by three or four touchdowns.
 

dpodoll68 said:
I didn't say it was silly to focus on those plays. It is silly, as I've stated, to characterize them as the difference between a horrible and an average game. They were the difference between an average and an outstanding game. We did get the W, in case anyone forgot. And why would anyone discount the throws made in overtime? What more do you need for a sample of clutch throws than in overtime?
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You don't remember what you said 15 minutes ago? Here's your quote...

"I'm curious as to why people fixate on the 5 horrible throws and ignore the other 25."
 


dpodoll68 said:
Yes, I'm dead serious. How is ignoring all the good throws and focusing on the bad ones any different than ignoring all the bad throws and looking only at the good ones?
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Who said I was ignoring the good ones? Even the head freakin' coach said if Gray was any good at all we win the game going away. He was the only reason UNLV stayed in the game, period.
 

dpodoll68 said:
There's no way that number is accurate. Sorry, I don't trust Nate Sandell's football acumen when reviewing game film. Let's suppose that number were accurate (which, again, it isn't) - that means Gray was 17-of-21 (81%) on well-thrown balls. And that's a "horrible" game? People are simply not dealing in reality. It wasn't a "horrible" game. It was an average game, with some good plays and some bad plays, and with more bad plays than one should expect from a Sr. quarterback.
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That is one of the most absurd comments I've ever heard.

What was Adam Weber's completion % on well-thrown balls?

What was Nick Punto's BA if we disregard balls not hit out of the infield?

What was Mason's record if we don't count the defensive melt-downs.

How successful was our invasion of the Japanese mainland if we don't count the atomic bombs?

Dpo, you're smarter than that.
 

DMB123 said:
Who said I was ignoring the good ones? Even the head freakin' coach said if Gray was any good at all we win the game going away. He was the only reason UNLV stayed in the game, period.
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Yeah, Troy Stoudermire dropping a punt had absolutley nothing to do with it. Neither did the 11 penalties
 

I have an idea.

How about we just agree that the people who are calling for Gray to be benched are just as pathetic and delusional as the people who are defending him so adamantly and then we move on to next week's game?

Gray single-handedly kept UNLV in the game. Period. I'd be shocked if this wasn't FAR AND AWAY the worst defense that the Gophers play this year and they were held to 13 points in regulation. UNLV COMPLETELY SOLD OUT against the run, leaving more open receivers running around the field than Gray will EVER EVER see again, and he still missed a boatload of passes, by a LOT.

UNLV rolled the dice that Gray couldn't complete passes to open receivers and for 60 minutes they essentially won big. To say anything otherwise is to give UNLV's defense entirely too much credit. They had a GAME PLAN; stop the run, make Gray throw the ball, leave their young and inexperienced secondary to deal with the young and inexperienced Gopher WR's in man-to-man all night. What in the WORLD do you think better defenses are going to do? The rest of the teams on the schedule will ALSO stack the box, but most of them will have the DB's to NOT let the Gopher receivers run all over the defense.

That being said, I've gotten over his performance and I'm electing to go with Kill's assessment that Gray has been much much better through the summer and in fall camp. It's one game, he should get better, I'm sticking with that.

But to say that Gray was anything other than NOT VERY GOOD throwing the ball is to completely fail to acknowledge just how bad the UNLV pass defense was/is. Let's not forget that Gray was hardly pressured all night. He can't even chalk up a handful of misses to being under pressure. His most blatant misses were with nobody in his face, at all; standing calmly in the pocket.
 



station19 said:
That is one of the most absurd comments I've ever heard.

What was Adam Weber's completion % on well-thrown balls?

What was Nick Punto's BA if we disregard balls not hit out of the infield?

What was Mason's record if we don't count the defensive melt-downs.

How successful was our invasion of the Japanese mainland if we don't count the atomic bombs?

Dpo, you're smarter than that.
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It is a bizarre point dpo is making, or trying to make because he certainly didn't convince anyone.

Did you know the Gophers were 3-0 last year if you just take away the 9 bad games? And people say that's a bad season? LOL.
 

scher215 said:
Yeah, Troy Stoudermire dropping a punt had absolutley nothing to do with it. Neither did the 11 penalties
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Seriously? When Stoudermire dropped that punt the game should have been 31-7 if Gray had played well. Come on people! I like Gray a lot and think he is still going to have a breakout year, but he was terrible in the opener. Anyone with eyes saw that.
 

DMB123 said:
You don't remember what you said 15 minutes ago? Here's your quote...

"I'm curious as to why people fixate on the 5 horrible throws and ignore the other 25."
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I didn't make a declarative statement. Nowhere there did I say it was silly to focus on the bad plays.

DMB123 said:
Even the head freakin' coach said if Gray was any good at all we win the game going away.
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Link to this quote, please.

DMB123 said:
He was the only reason UNLV stayed in the game, period.
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- shanked punt giving UNLV a short field that they used to score

- several false starts, multiple on 3rd-and-short

- Stoudermire fumbling a punt return with no one close to him

- multiple personal fouls on late hits out of bounds

- missed 32 yd FG

- pass interference in the end zone

- Gillum slipping and falling with a wide open field in front of him

- Michael Carter falling down and allowing the OT TD on 4th-and-6

Yup, only reason.
 

DMB123 said:
It is a bizarre point dpo is making, or trying to make because he certainly didn't convince anyone.

Did you know the Gophers were 3-0 last year if you just take away the 9 bad games? And people say that's a bad season? LOL.
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You didn't answer my question before. What is the difference between focusing exclusively on the bad throws and focusing exclusively on the good ones? You are seriously doing the former, while I'm sarcastically doing the latter.
 



DMB123 said:
Seriously? When Stoudermire dropped that punt the game should have been 31-7 if Gray had played well. Come on people! I like Gray a lot and think he is still going to have a breakout year, but he was terrible in the opener. Anyone with eyes saw that.
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I saw him miss 5 likely touchdown throws.

I also saw him put up 269 passing yards, throw for 2 touchdowns, and rush for another 68 yards.

If Gray were as accurate as he should have been and put up, lets say, 450 passing yards and 5 touchdowns. Would that then be an average game?
 

dpodoll68 said:
I watched every snap live. He wasn't terrible. Your premise is false.
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A. 5 overthrown passses by Gray, according to Dpo from watching the game live.

B. 9 overthrown passes according to Nate Sandell from 'breaking down the tape'.

I'll go with B
 

dpodoll68 said:
- Michael Carter falling down and allowing the OT TD on 4th-and-6
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It was Carter for sure? I couldn't tell watching it live and the re-play was hard to see a # on the fallen player.
 

I was at the game, and as big of a fan as I am of Q, I didn't think he played well at all. It wasn't the interception, or the so-so 56% completion percentage. It was the passes he missed on, and the ramifications of those misses. Fruechte is behind coverage twice and Q misses the exact same throw twice, not even giving Fruechte a chance on either. The ball to McDonald - a for-sure six. The completion to Barker that would have been six had Q not forced him to make a great, leaping, sideline toe-tapping catch. And of course, the miss to Rabe on the opening series, which, in my opinion, would have changed the entirety of the game (that too was a for sure six).

And a lot of Q's passing yards came after the catch - it's not as though he put a lot of balls on the money that were down the field.

I love #5. I was just expecting - fairly or unfairly - him to be a dominant-like player right from the get-go and he wasn't. That's not to say he wont be - I think he will only play better each wee and by the end of the year, will be dominant. I don't think he's going to be missing on these same throws.
 



dpodoll68 said:
I didn't make a declarative statement. Nowhere there did I say it was silly to focus on the bad plays.



Link to this quote, please.



- shanked punt giving UNLV a short field that they used to score

- several false starts, multiple on 3rd-and-short

- Stoudermire fumbling a punt return with no one close to him

- multiple personal fouls on late hits out of bounds

- missed 32 yd FG

- pass interference in the end zone

- Gillum slipping and falling with a wide open field in front of him

- Michael Carter falling down and allowing the OT TD on 4th-and-6

Yup, only reason.
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Not a direct quote but this is straight from DL65's summary of the Sports Huddle...

(If Gray had hit his open receivers, the Gophers would have won going away, said Kill.)
 

tikited said:
It was Carter for sure? I couldn't tell watching it live and the re-play was hard to see a # on the fallen player.
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Don't know for sure, but that's what MV said in his game recap. Regardless of who it was, it would be pretty tough to blame that play on Gray.
 


DMB123 said:
Not a direct quote but this is straight from DL65's summary of the Sports Huddle...

(If Gray had hit his open receivers, the Gophers would have won going away, said Kill.)
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"Didn't hit [some of] his open receivers" equals "no good at all"? Again, you're not being honest with your evaluations. You expected Gray to be outstanding, and he was just ok, so you characterize it as "terrible" or "horrible".
 


TCF=UnitedWeStand said:
I was at the game, and as big of a fan as I am of Q, I didn't think he played well at all. It wasn't the interception, or the so-so 56% completion percentage. It was the passes he missed on, and the ramifications of those misses. Fruechte is behind coverage twice and Q misses the exact same throw twice, not even giving Fruechte a chance on either. The ball to McDonald - a for-sure six. The completion to Barker that would have been six had Q not forced him to make a great, leaping, sideline toe-tapping catch. And of course, the miss to Rabe on the opening series, which, in my opinion, would have changed the entirety of the game (that too was a for sure six).

And a lot of Q's passing yards came after the catch - it's not as though he put a lot of balls on the money that were down the field.

I love #5. I was just expecting - fairly or unfairly - him to be a dominant-like player right from the get-go and he wasn't. That's not to say he wont be - I think he will only play better each wee and by the end of the year, will be dominant. I don't think he's going to be missing on these same throws.
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Every QB benefits from YAC. unfortunately, college doesn't show YAC numbers (at least ESPN doesn't) so you can't see exactly where gray was, but some pretty darn good quarterbacks get lots of YAC help.
 

dpodoll68 said:
"Didn't hit [some of] his open receivers" equals "no good at all"? Again, you're not being honest with your evaluations. You expected Gray to be outstanding, and he was just ok, so you characterize it as "terrible" or "horrible".
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Agree. Gray was okay. He NEEDS to hit those throws going forward, but many are acting like an 8th grader would have put up better numbers and made this a blowout.
 

Stan The Caddy said:
DPO-

Kill made the statement about Gray on Barreiro's Sunday Sermons as well. http://www.kfan.com/cc-common/podcast/single_page.html?podcast=Sunday_Sermons&selected_podcast


Also, why do you not trust Nate Sandell on the 9 overthrows? I may have to watch the game again tonight during my FF Draft and just count overthrows now!

FYI...I am with you in defending Gray, but you hurt your own argument by discrediting someone who said they watched the tape.
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Without knowing the call made on the particular play, there is no way to know for sure on some of them. For example, many have stated that McDonald rounded off his route. I'm assuming that Sandell counted that as an overthrow (he had to to somehow tabulate 9), when it was more likely a miscommunication and/or poor route running by the receiver. We're already down to 8. How many more can be explained away that easily?

Also, Kill said 9 missed throws. This is not necessarily analogous to overthrows.
 


Its a team game guys stop being so hard on Gray!!
 


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