Big Ten QB ratings after week 1

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Gray can't play "fine" or "average" and this team win very many games. Gray needs to be "good" or better for this team to succeed. We just aren't dominant enough at other positions to do this. So when he pulls out a mediocre game, it's likely we're gonna struggle to put away any team, especially in the first game on the road. He's one of the guys on the roster who can be an elite type player out there for us, and he needs to do that if we want to make an impact this season. If he keeps playing just "fine", we're not gonna be very good IMO.
 

dpodoll68 said:
1. Taylor Martinez 212.5
2. Danny O'Brien 191.3
3. Robert Marve 164.9
4. Braxton Miller 158.3
5. Kain Colter 152.1
6. MarQueis Gray 147.3
7. Tre Roberson 146.7
8. N. Scheelhaase 127.1
9. Matt McGloin 111.3
10. D. Robinson 104.2
11. A. Maxwell 96.9
12. J. Vandenberg 96.5


Man, if only MarQueis hadn't had such a horrible game last Thursday.
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Just a side note on your list: Kain Colter, the name ABOVE Gray's on the rating list, only played the first three quarters of the game before getting pulled/pulling himself for the 4th quarter when the team needed him most. The sophomore Wildcat backup QB came in to rally NU to victory, sporting a 162.3 rating himself. Soooooo maybe those ratings don't mean quite that much?

Then again, maybe Northwestern is onto something!! Maybe the Gophers should play Shortell or Nelson for the first three quarters and have Gray come in to play the 4th? EUREKA!!!!
 

Colter was hurt. Saying he was pulled implies that it was due to ineffectiveness. They won the game, so it looks like he made the right call to ask out of the game.
 

Ogee Oglethorpe said:
Just a side note on your list: Kain Colter, the name ABOVE Gray's on the rating list, only played the first three quarters of the game before getting pulled/pulling himself for the 4th quarter when the team needed him most. The sophomore Wildcat backup QB came in to rally NU to victory, sporting a 162.3 rating himself. Soooooo maybe those ratings don't mean quite that much?

Then again, maybe Northwestern is onto something!! Maybe the Gophers should play Shortell or Nelson for the first three quarters and have Gray come in to play the 4th? EUREKA!!!!
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It works in baseball and those NU guys are pretty smart.
 

dpodoll68 said:
Colter was hurt. Saying he was pulled implies that it was due to ineffectiveness. They won the game, so it looks like he made the right call to ask out of the game.
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I hate to be one of those "link please?" guys but I looked at multiple game recaps before making my post (expecting a response like this) and could not find a single implication that he was hurt. I watched the end of the game also, with multiple camera shots of Colter standing on the sidelines with his helmet on, watching the action with his arms folded.

I won't bet my life that he wasn't hurt, but I found NOTHING to indicate that he was. I could be wrong, of course.
 



Ogee Oglethorpe said:
I hate to be one of those "link please?" guys but I looked at multiple game recaps before making my post (expecting a response like this) and could not find a single implication that he was hurt. I watched the end of the game also, with multiple camera shots of Colter standing on the sidelines with his helmet on, watching the action with his arms folded.

I won't bet my life that he wasn't hurt, but I found NOTHING to indicate that he was. I could be wrong, of course.
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We really need to find out if he was hurt. We wouldnt want these two days, eight pages and 155 posts to be rendered meaningless.
 

GopherGack said:
As far as I recall, I haven't rewatched the game although I would like to if anyone has a link where I can watch it online, Gray didn't really play "better" in OT. He just avoided the deep throws he struggled with in regulation. For the most part during regulation he was accurate on the shorter throws and that just continued into OT. I think claiming some kind of "improvement" in OT is just inaccurate since he didn't hit a deep ball or three. We'll just have to see how that shakes out against UNH and beyond.

On a separate note the last few pages of this thread have turned into a semantics argument and nobody is going to win it because words mean different things to different people.
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After the Stoud fumble, Gray was 7 - 10, 140 yards and 2 TDs.

Gray did play better. Some of the people who want to continue on the notion that Gray was awful sound ridiculous. "It was all about the YAC". "He wasn't better, those throws were easy."
 

Ogee Oglethorpe said:
I hate to be one of those "link please?" guys but I looked at multiple game recaps before making my post (expecting a response like this) and could not find a single implication that he was hurt. I watched the end of the game also, with multiple camera shots of Colter standing on the sidelines with his helmet on, watching the action with his arms folded.

I won't bet my life that he wasn't hurt, but I found NOTHING to indicate that he was. I could be wrong, of course.
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They invented this thing called google. It's nifty for these kinds of situations.

I googled "Kain Colter injured" and the top 5 articles are all about Kain Colter being injured. Nate posted one of those articles.

Nifty invention huh?
 



Maximus said:
We really need to find out if he was hurt. We wouldnt want these two days, eight pages and 155 posts to be rendered meaningless.
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LOL! Best post of the thread. Unfortunately, I don't think this one dies until 11:00 a.m. Saturday. Then we'll have 7 days to discuss his next performance.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
Gray did play better. Some of the people who want to continue on the notion that Gray was awful sound ridiculous. "It was all about the YAC". "He wasn't better, those throws were easy."
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Yeah, the YAC argument is ridiculous. Reminds me of that idiot on the basketball board who thinks "bunny" rebounds shouldn't count as stats for Minnesota's players.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
Some of the people who want to continue on the notion that Gray was awful sound ridiculous.
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It's not ridiculous at all. I watched the game, he was awful, below average, bad, whatever term you want to use. He was missing open receivers by ten yards. It was actually a little embarrassing to be honest, he was that bad IMO.

I do however think he'll rebound and have a great year like I thought going into the season.
 

beatles said:
It's not ridiculous at all. I watched the game, he was awful, below average, bad, whatever term you want to use. He was missing open receivers by ten yards. It was actually a little embarrassing to be honest, he was that bad IMO.

I do however think he'll rebound and have a great year like I thought going into the season.
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What's average for Gray?
 



beatles said:
It's not ridiculous at all. I watched the game, he was awful, below average, bad, whatever term you want to use. He was missing open receivers by ten yards. It was actually a little embarrassing to be honest, he was that bad IMO.

I do however think he'll rebound and have a great year like I thought going into the season.
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We since have learned he completed 81% of his passes...(if we don't count the overthrown ones..)...so I guess it wasn't so bad.:cheer:
 

station19 said:
We since have learned he completed 81% of his passes...(if we don't count the overthrown ones..)...so I guess it wasn't so bad.:cheer:
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You obviously didn't get the sarcasm. As I've asked repeatedly with no answer...what's the difference between looking at only the bad passes while ignoring the good ones and looking at only the good passes while ignoring the bad ones? When looking at the game in its totality, the good and the bad, the only reasonable conclusion is that he was ok. Not good, not bad. Just ok. Plenty of room for improvement, but not even remotely close to the worst game ever played by a QB.
 

dpodoll68 said:
You obviously didn't get the sarcasm. As I've asked repeatedly with no answer...what's the difference between looking at only the bad passes while ignoring the good ones and looking at only the good passes while ignoring the bad ones? When looking at the game in its totality, the good and the bad, the only reasonable conclusion is that he was ok. Not good, not bad. Just ok. Plenty of room for improvement, but not even remotely close to the worst game ever played by a QB.
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Okay I'll play.

Kind of fooled me on the sarcasm angle. Seemed pretty serious to me.

I don't recall anyone saying it was the worst game ever played by a QB.

If you're going to take out the '9' overthrows and sure tds, then you should take out 9 completions and those tds. What does that end up for stats? I'm not going to bother.

Do you have any links as to what measure of stats determine what adjectives?

Some say okay some say horrendous. Doesn't really bother me either way.

Thanks for inviting back to a discussion that I was done with.

Go Gophers
 

I don't take out the overthrows (of which there were not 9). That's the difference.
 

The fact of the matter is Gray was effective in the red zone. Do I care about other matters? Not really after a W.
 


None of the defenders of Gray's play can provide a good answer for why the game was so close.
 

What about a fumbled punt and a missed FG? Do those count for anything?
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
They invented this thing called google. It's nifty for these kinds of situations.

I googled "Kain Colter injured" and the top 5 articles are all about Kain Colter being injured. Nate posted one of those articles.

Nifty invention huh?
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Bob - I learned that (Bold statement above) from my oldest son. He would tell me that I was wrong. I would then say how can you say that? He would then Google it and show me the answer. I am now at a great technical disadvantage because I don't have a smart phone and he does. Therefore I don't say much anymore.:cry:
 

Gopher07 said:
What about a fumbled punt and a missed FG? Do those count for anything?
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No, they don't. Because like I said earlier the UNLV turnovers were worse or at the very least equal to ours.
 

But..without those mistakes we probably win by more, yeah?
 

Gopher07 said:
But..without those mistakes we probably win by more, yeah?
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Well yeah, but still not by much, which would have been even more sad considering we'd have had a 3-0 turnover advantage in that scenario.
 

station19 said:
We since have learned he completed 81% of his passes...(if we don't count the overthrown ones..)...so I guess it wasn't so bad.:cheer:
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And even with the overthrows he completed 57 % of his passes and 270 yards.

You could just look at that stat.
 

btowngopher said:
None of the defenders of Gray's play can provide a good answer for why the game was so close.
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The game was close for a combo of reasons:
(1) Gray was bad for three quarters;
(2) We were terrible on special teams (missed chip shot FGs, botched punt, fumbled punt);
(3) Plethora of penalties.

Now, the problem with this argument is that it's the definition of a strawman. Implicit in the argument is your assumption that the "Gray defenders" don't think he is part of the reason that the game was close.

The truth is that I acknowledge that he wasn't great throughout the first three quarters, however, I also realize that we don't win that game without Gray playing well for the last quarter and the OTs. You guys just fail to give him credit for any portion of the game. The fact is that we lose that game if Gray continued to play bad. . . and we won.
 

btowngopher said:
Well yeah, but still not by much, which would have been even more sad considering we'd have had a 3-0 turnover advantage in that scenario.
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Or it would have been a 2-1 turnover advantage. The two UNLV ints and Gray's.

The third turnover wouldn't have happened.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
The game was close for a combo of reasons:
(1) Gray was bad for three quarters;
(2) We were terrible on special teams (missed chip shot FGs, botched punt, fumbled punt);
(3) Plethora of penalties.

Now, the problem with this argument is that it's the definition of a strawman. Implicit in the argument is your assumption that the "Gray defenders" don't think he is part of the reason that the game was close.

The truth is that I acknowledge that he wasn't great throughout the first three quarters, however, I also realize that we don't win that game without Gray playing well for the last quarter and the OTs. You guys just fail to give him credit for any portion of the game. The fact is that we lose that game if Gray continued to play bad. . . and we won.
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While I am one of the posters who thought Gray played pretty poorly, your post sums it up very well. Gray played very well at the end of the game and we pulled out a win. He plays great the entire game and we blow them out. Good post.
 

btowngopher said:
Well yeah, but still not by much, which would have been even more sad considering we'd have had a 3-0 turnover advantage in that scenario.
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The Gophers probably win by 11 without the muffed punt. The Rebels had shown nothing that suggests they would have scored a TD without the short field and momentum boost that play provided. That gets you to a 17-6 win. Not great, but not close either. Also, in that case we would have had a 2-1 TO advantage since Wells' 3OT interception wouldn't have happened and Gray's INT still would have.
 

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