Big Ten QB ratings after week 1

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dpodoll68 said:
I didn't make a declarative statement. Nowhere there did I say it was silly to focus on the bad plays.



Link to this quote, please.



- shanked punt giving UNLV a short field that they used to score

- several false starts, multiple on 3rd-and-short

- Stoudermire fumbling a punt return with no one close to him

- multiple personal fouls on late hits out of bounds

- missed 32 yd FG

- pass interference in the end zone

- Gillum slipping and falling with a wide open field in front of him

- Michael Carter falling down and allowing the OT TD on 4th-and-6Yup, only reason.
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Nobody would be talking about any of that stuff if Gray had hit wide open receivers and put us up 21 points at halftime. Gray's poor play put us behind the 8 ball. Who the hell said everyone else on the team played a perfect game? Not sure what pointing out all the mistakes made by the Gophers does to make Gray's poor play look better.
 

All I know is that Thursday better be Gray's WORST game of the season or we are in big trouble.
 

TCF=UnitedWeStand said:
I was at the game, and as big of a fan as I am of Q, I didn't think he played well at all. It wasn't the interception, or the so-so 56% completion percentage. It was the passes he missed on, and the ramifications of those misses. Fruechte is behind coverage twice and Q misses the exact same throw twice, not even giving Fruechte a chance on either. The ball to McDonald - a for-sure six. The completion to Barker that would have been six had Q not forced him to make a great, leaping, sideline toe-tapping catch. And of course, the miss to Rabe on the opening series, which, in my opinion, would have changed the entirety of the game (that too was a for sure six).

And a lot of Q's passing yards came after the catch - it's not as though he put a lot of balls on the money that were down the field.

I love #5. I was just expecting - fairly or unfairly - him to be a dominant-like player right from the get-go and he wasn't. That's not to say he wont be - I think he will only play better each wee and by the end of the year, will be dominant. I don't think he's going to be missing on these same throws.
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From your perspective(being at the game), what was your thoughts on MG's running? He sure seemed slower and less quick to me watching at home. Some of the pundits have said the same.
 

scher215 said:
Agree that without knowing the play call we can't be positive, but man Andre was NOT happy after that play for whatever reason.
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Is there good video of that play? I'm wondering if he felt like he was interfered? I haven't seen the play since that day though, so I can't even recall if he was touched as the guy was falling or not.
 

DMB123 said:
Seriously? When Stoudermire dropped that punt the game should have been 31-7 if Gray had played well. Come on people! I like Gray a lot and think he is still going to have a breakout year, but he was terrible in the opener. Anyone with eyes saw that.
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Shades of Tavaris in that game, hopefully it doesn't develop into the norm rather than the exception. Your quarterback cannot get tight, no matter what the ability you need someone that is confident that he can make plays, I just didn't feel that was the case, he was so off on the really open ones.
 


DMB123 said:
Not sure what pointing out all the mistakes made by the Gophers does to make Gray's poor play look better.
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It doesn't. It invalidates your (and others') previous statement that Gray alone was the reason UNLV was still in the game.
 

DMB123 said:
Nobody would be talking about any of that stuff if Gray had hit wide open receivers and put us up 21 points at halftime. Gray's poor play put us behind the 8 ball. Who the hell said everyone else on the team played a perfect game? Not sure what pointing out all the mistakes made by the Gophers does to make Gray's poor play look better.
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The other thing to keep in mind is many of the those 'overthrown' receivers were open by 5 or 10 yds and OVERTHROWN by 10 yds. It's not like they were 'just misses' to a covered receiver.

Also one(maybe two) of the td passes in ot were to wide-open receivers that a hs qb should make.

Gray played 3+ quarters of terrible FB. The rest of the game was 'decent'.
 

Sounds like we need faster receivers to catch up to his throws.
 




station19 said:
From your perspective(being at the game), what was your thoughts on MG's running? He sure seemed slower and less quick to me watching at home. Some of the pundits have said the same.
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I was going to add that to my initial note, but figured it wasn't applicable. I and the others in our crew commented during the game that something seemed off. He didn't seem as quick or as physical as he was the 2nd half of last year. Maybe it's the added bulk, first game jitters, etc, etc. I thought it was indicative of his first three quarters - we all know he is a senior, but only entering his 2nd year as a college qb. His play just seemed to reflect more that of the latter than the former, which is ok - the point is to get better, and I'm hopeful that as mediocre as I thought he played (and I LOVE Gray, but I'm sure the bobos will hammer me with the same stats again), this will prove to be his worst game of the year (and we still won, which is the bottom line).

And to whoever (not you, S19) mentioned that every QB benefits from YAC - really? I didn't realize. Look at the second half of that sentence again, which is a fact - he completed very few balls down the field, and many of the missed throws that people are referencing were 15 yards + down the field (not to mention the 5-yard, 90 mph bullet he throw 5 yards over Marcus Jones in the flat).
 

TCF=UnitedWeStand said:
as mediocre as I thought he played (and I LOVE Gray, but I'm sure the bobos will hammer me with the same stats again)
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No hammering - not from me, at least. "Mediocre" is a fair characterization of his overall game. "Terrible" or "horrible" are not.
 

dpodoll68 said:
1. Taylor Martinez 212.5
2. Danny O'Brien 191.3
3. Robert Marve 164.9
4. Braxton Miller 158.3
5. Kain Colter 152.1
6. MarQueis Gray 147.3
7. Tre Roberson 146.7
8. N. Scheelhaase 127.1
9. Matt McGloin 111.3
10. D. Robinson 104.2
11. A. Maxwell 96.9
12. J. Vandenberg 96.5


Man, if only MarQueis hadn't had such a horrible game last Thursday.
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Well, if you leave 30 pts on the board as your coach thinks you did. I wouldn't call it a good game.
 

This is the great thing about the college football season, we can answer all these questions next week. The NH game will give us a much better idea if Gray was just too amped up and missed throws that he'll normally make, or if he still has a ways to go.
 




SJUgopher said:
Well, if you leave 30 pts on the board as your coach thinks you did. I wouldn't call it a good game.
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Exactly. DPO called it a medicore game. Did they teach reading comprehension at St. John's?
 

Tom Dienhart chimes in:

"Minnesota
Can MarQueis Gray improve his touch? Yes, he helped the Golden Gophers gut out a triple-overtime victory at UNLV, but Gray’s passes were off the mark on many occasions. According to Jerry Kill, Gray missed the mark several times on what could have been nice gainers down the field. Gray hit just 17-of-30 passes after competing just 50 percent in 2011. More is expect from the senior. Maybe playing FCS New Hampshire will help."

http://btn.com/2012/09/04/12-teams-12-questions-dienharts-week-2-queries/?cmp=user+shared+twitter

Go Gophers!!
 

The verdict is in. Gray played poorly Thursday. Had he played average we would have won by 2 TD's. Had he played well we would have won by 4 TD's.

I agree with others who said this will be his worst performance of the year, and it better be. He'll light it up this Saturday vs UNH.
 

Gray - wasn't great - but did some good things, too. (2 TD passes in OT should be worth some credit.)

Yes, the Gophs could have won by a larger margin if Gray had completed some of those other passes. But, to say that he was the "only" reason the game was close is (IMHO) looking at the game with blinders on. Some of you are highlighting Gray's mistakes, and excusing other players who also made mistakes.

It's a little bit like watching the political convention coverage. Some people have their minds made up, and they are unwilling or unable to consider any information that might prove them wrong.
 


short ornery norwegian said:
Gray - wasn't great - but did some good things, too. (2 TD passes in OT should be worth some credit.)

Yes, the Gophs could have won by a larger margin if Gray had completed some of those other passes. But, to say that he was the "only" reason the game was close is (IMHO) looking at the game with blinders on. Some of you are highlighting Gray's mistakes, and excusing other players who also made mistakes.It's a little bit like watching the political convention coverage. Some people have their minds made up, and they are unwilling or unable to consider any information that might prove them wrong.
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Other players definitely made some errors. But a false start penalty isn't on the same level as overthrowing wide open receivers for multiple TD's. It's not fair to make those comparison's. Stoudermire's muff was one of the biggest plays and mistakes of the game, but as I said earlier, the score should have been 31-7 at that point.

And the TD's in OT were nice plays, but your given the ball at the 25 yard line. If your offense doesn't produce in OT in college football then you really have issues. You're supposed to put up points in OT in college football, it's set up that way.
 

Gray was not the only reason for losing. Stoudamire (probably spelled wrong) dropping the punt was huge. But while I give Gray credit for pulling it together enough to win in the end, he was also the main reason for not being far ahead and changing the whole game.

Anyone stay in Vegas long enough for the free buffet?
 

dpodoll68 said:
- Michael Carter falling down and allowing the OT TD on 4th-and-6
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He didn't fall down. I re-watched that play a number to times, and the WR made a very nice push off on Carter, just a quick jab to the chest or shoulder right when he changed direction. Pro move.
 

This is slightly off the topic, but everbody should just take a deep breath and settle down. There were PLENTY of teams that struggled mightly against "lesser" competition on Saturday. Sconnie anyone? It was the first game of the year and we WON! Think about last year and the offense they ran early in the season. They were not even taking shots down the field other than a jump ball to McKnight on occasion. The fact that they trusted Gray enough to drop back and that receivers were running open in the secondary was a positive sign for me. As I stated before I am DPO's camp on Gray's play at UNLV and Short Orney is spot on with his post. He was NOT terrible, nor was he great, heck he was not really even good. However, he made plays when he had to and I for one think there will be much improvement as the year goes on.
 


Unregistered User said:
He didn't fall down. I re-watched that play a number to times, and the WR made a very nice push off on Carter, just a quick jab to the chest or shoulder right when he changed direction. Pro move.
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Fair enough. I should've cited that I was using MV's analysis and not my own for that play.
 

short ornery norwegian said:
Gray - wasn't great - but did some good things, too. (2 TD passes in OT should be worth some credit.)

Yes, the Gophs could have won by a larger margin if Gray had completed some of those other passes. But, to say that he was the "only" reason the game was close is (IMHO) looking at the game with blinders on. Some of you are highlighting Gray's mistakes, and excusing other players who also made mistakes.

It's a little bit like watching the political convention coverage. Some people have their minds made up, and they are unwilling or unable to consider any information that might prove them wrong.
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That's what happens when you are the QB.

That's what happens when you are the SR QB.

That's what happens when you are considered the team's marquee player.

That's football.
 

MV's post today:

"CHIP SCOGGINS does [sic] into detail about MarQueis Gray's bad day, though after watching an opening weekend of struggling quarterback play and sloppy performances all around (capped off by Virginia Tech's Logan Thomas and his sub 4.0 yards per attempt awfulness until it counted), I can say I have a little bit more perspective on Gray's 'issues.' Yes, he needs to hit wide open receivers, since the opponents are only going to get tougher and the opportunities for points will shrink."

Anyone here want to raise their hands and claim they know more about football than MV?
 

dpodoll68 said:
MV's post today:

"CHIP SCOGGINS does [sic] into detail about MarQueis Gray's bad day, though after watching an opening weekend of struggling quarterback play and sloppy performances all around (capped off by Virginia Tech's Logan Thomas and his sub 4.0 yards per attempt awfulness until it counted), I can say I have a little bit more perspective on Gray's 'issues.' Yes, he needs to hit wide open receivers, since the opponents are only going to get tougher and the opportunities for points will shrink."

Anyone here want to raise their hands and claim they know more about football than MV?
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Pretty much what I have been saying all along. Can't miss the gimmies and expect to beat the better teams. Wasn't terrible, wasn't great. I actually went with "below average" the day after, and I'll stick with that. Gray knows what he needs to do.
 

dpodoll68 said:
MV's post today:

"CHIP SCOGGINS does [sic] into detail about MarQueis Gray's bad day, though after watching an opening weekend of struggling quarterback play and sloppy performances all around (capped off by Virginia Tech's Logan Thomas and his sub 4.0 yards per attempt awfulness until it counted), I can say I have a little bit more perspective on Gray's 'issues.' Yes, he needs to hit wide open receivers, since the opponents are only going to get tougher and the opportunities for points will shrink."

Anyone here want to raise their hands and claim they know more about football than MV?
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he says nothing there that supports your argument. What am I missing?
 

dpodoll68 said:
MV's post today:

"CHIP SCOGGINS does [sic] into detail about MarQueis Gray's bad day, though after watching an opening weekend of struggling quarterback play and sloppy performances all around (capped off by Virginia Tech's Logan Thomas and his sub 4.0 yards per attempt awfulness until it counted), I can say I have a little bit more perspective on Gray's 'issues.' Yes, he needs to hit wide open receivers, since the opponents are only going to get tougher and the opportunities for points will shrink."

Anyone here want to raise their hands and claim they know more about football than MV?
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Let me get this straight. Logan Thomas sucked last night. Therefore, Gray wasn't as bad on Thursday night as we thought he was. Makes sense.
 

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