Big Ten QB ratings after week 1

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Who is going to get the last word?!?!?!?

That's about all there is to be resolved at this point. My money is on dpo, he strikes me as more of a "last word" kind of person than most. At this point, it could be anybody though. Plenty of folks vying for that title in this one.
 

DMB123 said:
Let me get this straight. Logan Thomas sucked last night. Therefore, Gray wasn't as bad on Thursday night as we thought he was. Makes sense.
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Yeah, I was scratching my head on that one too.

If that's the reasoning I might have to raise my hand.
 

DMB123 said:
Other players definitely made some errors. But a false start penalty isn't on the same level as overthrowing wide open receivers for multiple TD's. It's not fair to make those comparison's. Stoudermire's muff was one of the biggest plays and mistakes of the game, but as I said earlier, the score should have been 31-7 at that point.
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What it should have been at that point has no bearing on things. It wasn't that big of a lead and Troy's muff was the exact reason a UNLV offense that wasn't doing anything had the chance to put up 7. You're playing "what if" to claim that Gray is the sole reason the Gophers were in the spot they were. That's asinine.
 

GoAUpher said:
What it should have been at that point has no bearing on things. It wasn't that big of a lead and Troy's muff was the exact reason a UNLV offense that wasn't doing anything had the chance to put up 7. You're playing "what if" to claim that Gray is the sole reason the Gophers were in the spot they were. That's asinine.
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Gray may have not been the sole reason, but he was without question the main reason the game was close.
 

beatles said:
Gray may have not been the sole reason, but he was without question the main reason the game was close.
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No argument there. Why people can't write things like this instead of resorting to idiotic hyperbole to attempt to make their point is beyond me. It's not hard.
 


station19 said:
Yeah, I was scratching my head on that one too.

If that's the reasoning I might have to raise my hand.
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Did you ever feel like the world was a tuxedo and you were a pair of pink shoes?
 

Dear AIRBHG, please let Q have a respectable stat line this week against UNH and please let him complete at least 2 throws down the field so we can stop these ridiculous debates. Sincerely, Gopher07
 

Gopher07 said:
Dear AIRBHG, please let Q have a respectable stat line this week against UNH and please let him complete at least 2 throws down the field so we can stop these ridiculous debates. Sincerely, Gopher07
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First time on a message board? Don't click the thread title next time.
 

If Gray was average, who on the team played below average??? Does an average all around performance from our offense score 1 td in regulation against UNLV? I highly doubt that, so if Gray was average some other players on offense had to have had below average performances to drag us down. So name them.
 



btowngopher said:
If Gray was average, who on the team played below average??? Does an average all around performance from our offense score 1 td in regulation against UNLV? I highly doubt that, so if Gray was average some other players on offense had to have had below average performances to drag us down. So name them.
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Why only regulation? Do the stats and points from OT not count? If you want to make an argument that Gray was below average in regulation, knock yourself out.
 

DMB123 said:
First time on a message board? Don't click the thread title next time.
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Considering I have 3,900 posts on here and apparently no life, it is not my first time on a message board. But this debate will consume every other thread about upcoming games until Q either: completely blows a game on his own. I'm not talking 147 QB rating but plenty of overthrows, but multiple turnovers and bad decisions. Or he takes off and dominates a game. I hope it's the latter so the debate goes away.
 

Ok so you agree he was below average in regulation? I don't anyone would argue he was below average in OT.
 

How about we just lock this thread until after the New Hampshire game?
 



btowngopher said:
Ok so you agree he was below average in regulation? I don't anyone would argue he was below average in OT.
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What, do you want to break this down drive-by-drive? How about throw-by-throw? Second-by-second? When taken in totality, I would characterize his performance as "average", "ok, "mediocre" or whatever other not good/not bad approximation you wish to use. I don't think anyone who characterizes it as "terrible", "horrible" or some other unspeakably horrendous adjective is really being honest with the situation.
 

dpodoll68 said:
What, do you want to break this down drive-by-drive? How about throw-by-throw? Second-by-second? When taken in totality, I would characterize his performance as "average", "ok, "mediocre" or whatever other not good/not bad approximation you wish to use. I don't think anyone who characterizes it as "terrible", "horrible" or some other unspeakably horrendous adjective is really being honest with the situation.
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No I think it was obvious I wanted to break it down regulation vs. OT. He made one good throw in OT that doesn't erase the rest of the game. The second td was a throw anyone should make, it was a great play call. I don't think you are being honest with the situation. We almost lost to UNLV, who was the MAIN reason??? Name someone man. "It's a team game you can't blame just one player"...something like that?
 

making one slightly above average play in ot doesn't erase the rest of the game
 

btowngopher said:
making one slightly above average play in ot doesn't erase the rest of the game
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And like I said earlier, I don't think an offense or a QB deserves that much credit for scoring after being given the ball at the 25 yard line. Yes it's crunch time, and Gray made a good throw or two. But had he not played so poorly in regulation he and the rest of the team would have been in the showers by that time celebrating a 38-10 win. Gray and the team came through when they had to though, which is what really matters.
 

scher215 said:
And as for that whole YAC thing ... Food for thought, Tom Brady had 3 recievers land in the top 10 for YAC (Welker - 1, Gronk - 4, Hernandez - 9). Hopefully the Pats do the right thing and take away all of Brady's passing yards, who knew they were cheating the stat books too in order to make Tom look more terrific ... I mean, over 50% of his passing yards were due to YAC. For you Packer fans out there, Aaron Rodgers was also slightly over 50%. Not even remotely trying to say Q is as good as either QB, but just saying EVERY QB gets help from YAC.
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You are misrepresenting the argument. You are saying all routes are equal and therefore the chance of YAC is equal. That is clearly false. The type of route determines the chance of YAC and the expected amount of YAC. In other words, a screen play is probably going to net you 5-10 yards of YAC. On the other end of the spectrum is the stop route which is extremely rare to net you any YAC. When a deep stop gains 20 YAC it is very unusual and should be noted.

He's another way of looking at it. Jamey Carroll went 2-3 with a home run the other night. Should we extrapolate that he is a power hitter? No, you acknowledge it was a very odd occurrence and isn't likely to repeat any time soon. FYI, it was his first home run in 3 years.
 

DMB123 said:
And like I said earlier, I don't think an offense or a QB deserves that much credit for scoring after being given the ball at the 25 yard line. Yes it's crunch time, and Gray made a good throw or two. But had he not played so poorly in regulation he and the rest of the team would have been in the showers by that time celebrating a 38-10 win. Gray and the team came through when they had to though, which is what really matters.
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Likewise, UNLV should not get credit for points scored off of Troy's muffed return because field position invalidates production. Sarcasm.
 

btowngopher said:
No I think it was obvious I wanted to break it down regulation vs. OT. He made one good throw in OT that doesn't erase the rest of the game. The second td was a throw anyone should make, it was a great play call. I don't think you are being honest with the situation. We almost lost to UNLV, who was the MAIN reason??? Name someone man. "It's a team game you can't blame just one player"...something like that?
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One good throw? He completed 17 passes. Does that mean the rest were just blind luck? Are our receivers (many of whom were playing in their first major college game ever) just that good that the other 16 catches were all brilliant and made in spite of a poor throw?
 


FreakyDeke said:
Likewise, UNLV should not get credit for points scored off of Troy's muffed return because field position invalidates production. Sarcasm.
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Your comparison is just wrong. UNLV deserved that TD because they capitalized on a Minnesota mistake. IN OT you are given the ball on the 25 yard line due to the rules, not the other team making a mistake. Pretty big difference.

My point is when an offense and a QB suck for 4 quarters, and 13 points against a bad UNLV defense is definitely sucking, I'm not going to rave about them if they score a couple TD's in OT. You're supposed to score in OT in college football, they give you the damn ball on the 25.

How many college games have you watched that were 17-17 or 14-14 at the end of regulation and ended up a 41-38 type of final score? Games like that happen all the time because you are supposed to score in OT, offenses don't deserve a lot of credit for turning it on in OT after playing a terrible game on offense, imo.
 

Gray's performance was horrible. Anyone that says differently clearly wasn't watching the game. Stats don't mean a whole lot when you actually WATCH the game.
 

And I would agree with him, as unfair as that may seem. The QB usually takes an unusual amount of criticism, in this case, I think it would be fair, he missed some crucial plays out there and if it would have lead to a loss, it would have had to fall squarely on his shoulders because of his position on the team, both on the field and in the locker room.

He has to be better than mediocre for this team, it's that simple.
 

dpo's just flat out wrong on this one. Stats are for losers as anyone can always find a stat from a game that is misleading and that's exactly what dpo did here. I love Gray, expect him to have a great season still. But he flat out sucked Thursday night.
 

dpodoll68 said:
One good throw? He completed 17 passes. Does that mean the rest were just blind luck? Are our receivers (many of whom were playing in their first major college game ever) just that good that the other 16 catches were all brilliant and made in spite of a poor throw?
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I said one good throw in OT, he only threw 2 balls in OT. 9 of his 17 completions went for 10 yrds or less. Most of his completions were on very low difficulty throws. Sorry not everyone wants to pat him on the back for completing routine throws that any qb on the roster could complete. He had a couple nice throws I remember, not very many though. I'm not gonna say that was a hell of a throw just cause he completes a pass. Just like every incomplete pass isn't a terrible pass. His bad incomplete passes far outnumbered his impressive complete passes with some routine hits and misses mixed in.
 

beatles said:
dpo's just flat out wrong on this one. Stats are for losers as anyone can always find a stat from a game that is misleading and that's exactly what dpo did here. I love Gray, expect him to have a great season still. But he flat out sucked Thursday night.
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Which stat is misleading?
 


dpodoll68 said:
Which stat is misleading?
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The one you started this thread with, QB rating. Based on that stat alone it looks like Gray played great. It's the reason you picked that stat, so you could say, "see guys he really wasn't that bad after all."
 

beatles said:
dpo's just flat out wrong on this one. Stats are for losers as anyone can always find a stat from a game that is misleading and that's exactly what dpo did here. I love Gray, expect him to have a great season still. But he flat out sucked Thursday night.
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This is an absurd statement. Stats can help you clarify aspects of a game. Just like watching a game can help put those stats into context. Watching and stats go hand in hand.
 

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