All Things 2013 Bracketology Thread



I don't know how in the hell Lunardi could possibly have a team like Cincinnati ahead of us, they are horrible. And UCLA is not that hot either, or is Missouri. Not sure what he has against the Gophers? Maybe he chose to watch 2 Gopher games and picked the OSU and Iowa games and has basically written us off?! Thinking the IU game was just IU playing badly?!

Well, we win our next 2 games and maybe he'll start to come around?!
 

I don't know how in the hell Lunardi could possibly have a team like Cincinnati ahead of us, they are horrible. And UCLA is not that hot either, or is Missouri. Not sure what he has against the Gophers? Maybe he chose to watch 2 Gopher games and picked the OSU and Iowa games and has basically written us off?! Thinking the IU game was just IU playing badly?!

Well, we win our next 2 games and maybe he'll start to come around?!

I know he's supposed to be unbiased, but I have a hard time believing that our past history of collapsing is not affecting his decision to put us on the 10 line.
 

Florida and Arizona both won national titles as #5 seeds.

? :confused:

Florida won the NC in 2006 as a #3 seed. They were actually seeded behind a fairly talent-barren #2 seed OSU in a region where Villanova was the #1, and Georgetown was a dangerous #7 who actually played Florida closer than anyone in that tournament (and the Hoyas made the F4 the next season with their future NBA guys Hibbert and Green returning). They also win in 2007 as a #1.

But it isn't all that unreasonable to pick a #3 seed to win the NC. They just should be a #3 seed that you feel has at least one legit NBA guy. UConn won it all in 2011 as a #3 seed, with Kemba Walker leading the way. Syracuse did it as a #3 with Melo. UM with Glen Rice in '89.

Arizona won it all as a #4 seed in '97, and #4 seeds have clearly not had as much success at winning the NC as #3 seeds in the modern tourney era, but at least one of the #4s have been able to make the F4 each of the past 2 years. But '97 Arizona is the only #4 to win it in the 64+ team era. Since the 64+ team tourney started in the mid-80s, on average a #4 makes the F4 roughly once every 3 years. None of the #5s have won the tourney in the 64+ team era.

So to list the #5s and #4s to make the F4 since the expansion in the '80s:
#5: MSU '10, Butler '10, MSU '05, IU '02, UF '00, Miss St '96
(as an aside, props to Georgia and Miss St on avoiding being one of the several SEC schools with zero F4 appearances, a list which grew by 2 with Mizzou and A&M being added)

#4: UL '12, UK '11, LSU '06, UL '05, AZ '97, OSU '99, Cuse '96, OK St '95, UC '92, Ark '90, GT '90

So just starting with 1990 to pick a year, you've had 23 tournaments, six #5 seeds in the F4 and 11 #4 seeds. You wouldn't think there would be that kind of difference between 4 and 5 seeds in terms of F4 appearances, but it is real. I just came up with these stats browsing through the list on the following website (put your cursor over the team name and it says the seed - very easy to review quickly):
http://www.allbrackets.com/
 


Forgive me, I was thinking of the Florida 2000 team. They lost to Michigan State in the national title game. I recalled Arizona '97 as a #5. I don't dispute that it's better to be a #4. It seemed you were arguing it would be better to be a 6 or 7 than a 5, and I disagree.

Either way, it's irrelevant to the Gophers now. I'd say a 7 is probably our ceiling and our floor is Dayton. Ugh.
 

Kentucky, KState, and the Zags? I'd take that in a damn heartbeat.

Don't underestimate the Zags. Everyone likes to think of them as a soft 1 seed because they play in a non-power conference, but I don't think their number 1 ranking overall is unreasonable right now. They are a darn good club.

I know the announcers and our own Selection Sunday both said going into this game we were in no matter what, we still feel like that is the case right?
 






Lunardi decides to move up the Gophers to a #9 seed after the Nebraska loss further making me believe his seeding may be off this year.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology

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Talk about a weak bubble this year

Everything is weak in a sense. There are no real dominant teams at the top either. I think the bracket is going to be a big time mess when it's all set and done. I might let my dog fill out the bracket for me this year.

Of course, now that I said that, all #1 seeds will end up in the F4.
 



I wouldn't mind getting a 10 seed. That might be the silver lining in losing today.
 

Because of geography and bracketing purposes, a 9 seed playing creighton in Kansas City with the winner playing Kansas seems pretty likely. 10-7 not likely due to potential 2 or 3 Big Ten 2 seeds.
 

Updated Palm has us as an 11 seed playing 6 seed Creighton in Austin. New Mexico (3) vs Harvard (14) is the other pair.
 

Every team that could bump the Gophers off the bubble has lost today so far. Except of course when they played each other.
 

Updated Palm has us as an 11 seed playing 6 seed Creighton in Austin. New Mexico (3) vs Harvard (14) is the other pair.

Right there is probably a really good scenario for the Gophs.
 

Joe has us a 9 seed playing Colorado St then the Zags. Palm's projection sounds a lot better.
 

Joe has us a 9 seed playing Colorado St then the Zags. Palm's projection sounds a lot better.

If we end up an 8 or 9 seed I sure hope it is in he zags bracket rather than the other #1 seeds
 

Joe has us a 9 seed playing Colorado St then the Zags. Palm's projection sounds a lot better.
I believe Joe last update wass before the game this morning and Palms most recent update was after the Gopher's game, would guess both will be updated again by 11 tomorrow morning.
 

I am guessing the Gophers will be in a play in game vs Kentucky
 



Ha, Lunardi has has Wisky playing Davidson. Do I smell an upset if that stays true?
 




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