Fire Ben Johnson

Honest question here - how can you have the next guy lined up when the ones everyone wants are coaching their teams into the postseason for the next couple of weeks? Yeah, you talk to their reps, but if someone is saying yes to you before they're done at their current job, that's not a great sign, IMO.
Times are changing. Miami was talking to one of Duke's assistants a few days ago. They went on and hired him (I'm pretty sure). The transfer portal opening almost right after the championship has made it to where teams need to consider hiring a new coach before the season is completely over.
 

This is no defense of Ben...But how could a team that was picked last (ours) underperform expectations?
There were several 'Why are we underachievers - we stink' questions on that post. Here is what the guy replied with on roster talent evaluation:

Measuring roster talent can be a bit complicated, but my calculation uses a combination of the current BPR values for the players on the roster at EvanMiya.com and the preseason BPR projections for those players before the season started.

So it combines a bit of what was expected from the roster coming into the year with our more updated understanding of how good those players are now.


I am not familiar with his analytics site at all, but I guess his analytics rated our talent better than the media predicted.
 

This is no defense of Ben...But how could a team that was picked last (ours) underperform expectations?
How can a team be 11th in the standings but 17th in the net rankings? I don't know the math behind this site but it's possible that being 110th in the Net is still under performing the talent on the team. Penn State, USC and Iowa are even bigger underperformers.
 


This can't be true, can it?

Then again, there are folks here who are quite satisfied with climbing into Weekling Wednesday, so I guess maybe it could.
Well, I think this is the question, isn't it? I'm sure there's a thread from a few months ago with opinions on what the Gophs should have to achieve to get Ben a fifth season. And I would doubt that anyone said, avoid being shut out of the BTT and play on Weakling Wednesday.

Of course, half of the teams in the conference are playing Wednesday or staying home, so...
 









He hired PJ 4 days after he was done coaching in the Cotton Bowl. He hired coach P 1 day after she was done coaching in the NCAA tournament. Surely there were conversations long before they were done coaching.

Replacing Whalen took the longest, a little over 2 weeks, because coach P was still coaching. Otherwise Coyle hired, PJ, Motzko, and BJ all within a week of firing the previous coach.
My only question concerning next year is who will be on the team?
 

This is no defense of Ben...But how could a team that was picked last (ours) underperform expectations?
Because predictions are based on nothing but reputation and gut feeling. So when you have a whole new roster that no one knows, of course they will be picked at or near the bottom.

Our team was full of seniors who had all played to some success before. They should have been much better with a better coach. Winning all those Quad 1 games proved they were not as low in talent as everyone believed.
 









Times are changing. Miami was talking to one of Duke's assistants a few days ago. They went on and hired him (I'm pretty sure). The transfer portal opening almost right after the championship has made it to where teams need to consider hiring a new coach before the season is completely over.
No disagreement that the times have changed, but that hire is not currently a head coach - a criterion that this board has deemed a requirement. Utah and Fla St. did similar things. Their calculus is that it's more important to have a coach in place when the portal opens than it is to have a proven track record. That's a choice - we'll see how it goes.

A replacement who is currently a head coach is a different animal - I don't think it's even possible to get them on the job when the portal opens because they're likely in the NCAAs. My preference is to get the right coach, then worry about the portal - in that order.
 

No disagreement that the times have changed, but that hire is not currently a head coach - a criterion that this board has deemed a requirement. Utah and Fla St. did similar things. Their calculus is that it's more important to have a coach in place when the portal opens than it is to have a proven track record. That's a choice - we'll see how it goes.

A replacement who is currently a head coach is a different animal - I don't think it's even possible to get them on the job when the portal opens because they're likely in the NCAAs. My preference is to get the right coach, then worry about the portal - in that order.
Totally agree, especially with the last part. In a perfect world you have new coach in place right when the portal opens but if you want a current head coach that likely isn't going to be possible.

Do you run the risk of possibly missing out on a few players, sure, but no individual player is more important than getting the right coach to lead the program.
 

MN probably won't be a school at the top of the list for the top players in the portal. MN generally get those 2nd, 3rd and mostly 4th tier portal players. So for the Gopher, the portal timing to me isn't really a big thing. Hiring the best coach possible is more critical.
 

Totally agree, especially with the last part. In a perfect world you have new coach in place right when the portal opens but if you want a current head coach that likely isn't going to be possible.

Do you run the risk of possibly missing out on a few players, sure, but no individual player is more important than getting the right coach to lead the program.
Get the right winning coach and he brings 2-3 players with him.
 

Get the right winning coach and he brings 2-3 players with him.
That is my hope. A coach who could bring a player or 2 with him to add to whatever we have coming back would be a great way to get a jump on building the roster for 25/26 which will have lots of holes to fill.
 



MN probably won't be a school at the top of the list for the top players in the portal. MN generally get those 2nd, 3rd and mostly 4th tier portal players. So for the Gopher, the portal timing to me isn't really a big thing. Hiring the best coach possible is more critical.
Fair, but sometimes those kids go off the board quickly too.

Agreed with the general sentiment of many that it's less important to worry about the super early portal than it is to get the right guy.

Also when talking about new coaches at new places, literally every school is different. Utah and byu had alums who are bringing money. That works for them. Miami needed a grade A recruiter to spend their money, they got him, that wouldn't work here. So each situation is different.
 



No disagreement that the times have changed, but that hire is not currently a head coach - a criterion that this board has deemed a requirement. Utah and Fla St. did similar things. Their calculus is that it's more important to have a coach in place when the portal opens than it is to have a proven track record. That's a choice - we'll see how it goes.

A replacement who is currently a head coach is a different animal - I don't think it's even possible to get them on the job when the portal opens because they're likely in the NCAAs. My preference is to get the right coach, then worry about the portal - in that order.
Ohhhh okay. I didn't know it was that nuanced with what Utah and FSU did.
That would be my preference as well. I feel like, just being a BIG school alone will attract some good players (probably better than this past year) but the right coach could / probably would bring some of his own players and better players
 

Probably pretty safe to assume that once there is any there will be at least 5 new threads started about it within moments. :)
Twitter is down most of the day and Mark can't risk trying to give a statement to the local media. Will he send out smoke signals instead?
 




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