Vikings TCF Upgrades

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station19 said:
Pharmacy and goldust saying it is being used all over is not true. It is used in various places but not all over. I don't think it should be used everywhere and it appears it will not be.

I am not trying to be an ass and I resent being called that. Is that what you call everyone that disagrees with you?
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I see it everywhere. On the website, all of the lettering on the scoreboard at TCF, cups, mailings, etc. You're blind if you haven't seen the new font just about everywhere the U has anything football related.
 

station19 said:
When one says branding(in regards to font) I think first and foremost of the block M. I don't see the font used in other areas besides football....maybe I am missing some there.

I don't think everyone is 'sold' on the font and more importantly I don't ever see the general populous seeing the font and think 'that's Minnesota'. To me it is a uniform design that will be changed in 5 or 6 years.

If people want to use it in certain areas, fine I guess. Let's just drop the notion of changing all font at the U to this new font......and then changing it again.........and then changing it again. The font is not that great anyway.
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You are missing something here. The athletics department is pushing the font for promotional banners for other sports aside from football on their facebook page (click the link below and scroll through their posts). It might not be widespread across uniforms or signage on campus, but the AD is embracing the fact that the U has exclusive rights to use it. I am not suggesting we change up all the uniforms, but I wouldn't be surprised if the U decides to go all in and replace signs at TCF overtime to establish a consistent brand.

You might think it sounds silly, but organizations get very protective of their brand. Look at Target. They have a distinct styling and font on all of their publications in addition to the Bullseye logo. You might not notice it, but this kind of stuff is very much apart of an organization's identity, and they work hard to establish it. That is all the U is trying to do with football.

https://www.facebook.com/GopherAthletics
 

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highwayman said:
Anything above 32 degrees F is not frozen. A 33 degree surface would not be frozen. That's just basic science. Make it 40 just to be safe.

32 is the freezing temp for most water but water filled with contaminants will freeze at a higher temp. you covered yerself with the 40 degree comment tho.
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DMB123 said:
I see it everywhere. On the website, all of the lettering on the scoreboard at TCF, cups, mailings, etc. You're blind if you haven't seen the new font just about everywhere the U has anything football related.
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When it was stated it is everywhere it wasn't football specific. It was also my impression they wanted the new font used in the endzone and midfield, which I think would be a huge mistake. The Block M at midfield replaced the one with Goldy leaning on it how long ago? (5 yrs?) Used at TCF, The Barn, Seibert Field, and I asssume Mariucci along with other Gopher fields. It was my impression they (posters) wanted to replace the present block M with the new font. 5 years and changing the brand is not very wise IMO.

Yes the font is used in a lot of places.....but not everywhere. I'm afraid we are having a different impression of what was meant by everywhere.

The one post said it was everywhere and linked the website as an example. Click on the website and I find one photo on the front page with the font. That is not 'everywhere' to me.

Much of this debate may very well be about semantics.
 

Bagley just confirmed there will be heating coils under the new field, with the colors changing to purple on Sundays
 


Curseislifted33 said:
Bagley just confirmed there will be heating coils under the new field, with the colors changing to purple on Sundays
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Thanks for the update, but what is the purpose of changing the colors if they are under the field?:rolleyes:
 


station19 said:
If it's zero degrees outside and the ground is frozen, it takes a hell of a lot more power to thaw it out in 12 or 18 hours than it does to just 'keep it thawed out' Ask any of your heating/AC buddies. That is truly basic science.

Not sure how powerful these heated field units are but just turning on the night before in Dec or Jan would require way, way, more powerful of a unit.
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He's right. It's more energy efficient to leave your air conditioning on at a reasonable temp all summer than to turn it off and on constantly.

Same thing applies to this scenario.
 

afurry91 said:
He's right. It's more energy efficient to leave your air conditioning on at a reasonable temp all summer than to turn it off and on constantly.

Same thing applies to this scenario.
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The discussion as about 'turning on' the heating system the night before the game vs being on for a longer time, and whether that would be enough to thaw the field. A thermostat has no bearing on the discussion.
 



Bagley also stated that there will be two field installs--a plain field that will be painted game to game during the Vikings stay, then a new field with the University logos returned.
 

2nd Degree Gopher said:
Bagley also stated that there will be two field installs--a plain field that will be painted game to game during the Vikings stay, then a new field with the University logos returned.
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and that was per agreement reached earlier.

Why is it that every time a Vikings @ TCF Stadium announcement is made, it appears as though the Vikings are totally in charge? Is Lester Bagely the new Alexander Haig?
 

Regarding the font/uniforms/Nike, I believe our contract with Nike ends after this year, and then the football team will be outfitted by Addidas (or maybe Reebok, don't remember for sure). We may have rights to the font so long as we have an agreement with Nike. FWIW, I don't like the font.
My concern with the Vikings stems from the old days at the dome, when we had to have our name in the endzones with crappy chalk. We should not have to have second-rate endzone names or midfield design. If we can swap it out like someone else mentioned, and it looks good, then great.
 

MirandaB said:
My concern with the Vikings stems from the old days at the dome, when we had to have our name in the endzones with crappy chalk. We should not have to have second-rate endzone names or midfield design. If we can swap it out like someone else mentioned, and it looks good, then great.
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In the early days, even the Vikings had crappy chalk for field lines during the Twins season. Look up Tony Dorsett's 99 yard run, the entire field was chalk. (Edit: that run was on January 3rd. Apparently paint was not invented in 1982.) Once the Twins were done, the field was painted. I am fairly certain that even back in the Holtz days, the Gophers never played with a Vikings logo on the field. I could be wrong.
 



station19 said:
and that was per agreement reached earlier.

Why is it that every time a Vikings @ TCF Stadium announcement is made, it appears as though the Vikings are totally in charge? Is Lester Bagely the new Alexander Haig?
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It just seems that way because the Vikings stadium people like Bagely are very well known so that is the person they get comments from and quote in the stories. The U is doing just fine in all of this.
 

station19 said:
The discussion as about 'turning on' the heating system the night before the game vs being on for a longer time, and whether that would be enough to thaw the field. A thermostat has no bearing on the discussion.
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Yeah but if the people on Gopherhole can't figure out how to properly run the system then what hope do we have that the people who run the stadium are going to have any idea what they are doing? I mean we may be saving them from a terrible situation since I am sure they were all thinking they could just crank the system up to 100 a few minutes before kickoff and everything would be fine.

Some people are acting (not you 19) like this is the first heating system ever installed under any field....just a guess but I am going to assume like I did before that the people who will actually be using the system will get enough training to know how it works and the best way to use. I think the GH people who are so worried about this can probably just relax and assume things will somehow magically work right on gameday even without their expert analysis on the operation of a field heating system.
 

MNVCGUY said:
It just seems that way because the Vikings stadium people like Bagely are very well known so that is the person they get comments from and quote in the stories. The U is doing just fine in all of this.
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It's the perception that I'm referring to and concerned about. It's just like all the media coverage - It's all about the Vikings and the Gophers are an afterthought. These announcements should be made as joint presentations. It sounds as though Lester Bagely is now in charge of TCF
 

MirandaB said:
Regarding the font/uniforms/Nike, I believe our contract with Nike ends after this year, and then the football team will be outfitted by Addidas (or maybe Reebok, don't remember for sure). We may have rights to the font so long as we have an agreement with Nike. FWIW, I don't like the font.
My concern with the Vikings stems from the old days at the dome, when we had to have our name in the endzones with crappy chalk. We should not have to have second-rate endzone names or midfield design. If we can swap it out like someone else mentioned, and it looks good, then great.
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I didn't know this. I wish we would stay with Nike, it should be a possibility right? I just hope it's not Adidas.
 

JoeDirt said:
I didn't know this. I wish we would stay with Nike, it should be a possibility right? I just hope it's not Adidas.
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The contract expires, but a new one has not yet been signed. They very easily could reup with Nike. And it would be for the entire athletic department, not just football.
 


I wish the U had held firm with only U field paintings. They could paint on the additional hash marks for their games. Leads to the perception that the Vikings are calling the shots and we are doing whatever they want. I'm the U figured out this was better in the long run and I probably won't even notice the difference on game day.
 

highwayman said:
I'll throw a bomb out there:

Why do we care what heating system is implemented? Don't have one now.

Why do we care if the field freezes while the Vikings play? Gophers aren't playing--maybe it would come into play the last home game, but only maybe.

Why do we care about the logo for two years? 98% of recruits would be thrilled to know that an alleged pro team plays at "their" home stadium.

I cared for a while, then I put some thought into it. I guarantee that one of the contract provisions is total turf replacement after the Vikings' run. That's the only thing I really care about. The rest is nearly irrelevant.
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Really? How did that work out for Illinois when the Bears played in Champaign while Soldier Field was being renovated.
 

Tim Riggins said:
I wish the U had held firm with only U field paintings. They could paint on the additional hash marks for their games. Leads to the perception that the Vikings are calling the shots and we are doing whatever they want. I'm the U figured out this was better in the long run and I probably won't even notice the difference on game day.
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We're talking about the NFL here though, they will fine a player for wearing their socks too low. The NFL does not want the Gopher logo on the field for marketing so that would be a hard battle to win.
 


JoeDirt said:
I didn't know this. I wish we would stay with Nike, it should be a possibility right? I just hope it's not Adidas.
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Yeah I believe the current contract with Nike is just up and they definitely could decide to just stay with Nike and sign a new contract which is what I hope happens because I really don't like the Addidas or Under Armour stuff.
 

Goldy Gopher said:
Yeah I believe the current contract with Nike is just up and they definitely could decide to just stay with Nike and sign a new contract which is what I hope happens because I really don't like the Addidas or Under Armour stuff.
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I don't think it would be Adidas. They are having some issues with workers rights in their overseas workforce, so a lot of school have been fleeing them fast.
 

station19 said:
It's the perception that I'm referring to and concerned about. It's just like all the media coverage - It's all about the Vikings and the Gophers are an afterthought. These announcements should be made as joint presentations. It sounds as though Lester Bagely is now in charge of TCF
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Because the story is about the Vikings, not about the Gophers. If Jay-Z announced he was going to hold a concert at Target Center, you wouldn't have quotes from Rick Adelman and Glen Taylor.
 

Triple D said:
We're talking about the NFL here though, they will fine a player for wearing their socks too low. The NFL does not want the Gopher logo on the field for marketing so that would be a hard battle to win.
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I don't think Illinois changed their field when the Bears played there and don't think the NFL can make demands in a stadium that isn't their own. If so, the U could have held out for more dough.
 

Tim Riggins said:
I don't think Illinois changed their field when the Bears played there and don't think the NFL can make demands in a stadium that isn't their own. If so, the U could have held out for more dough.
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A few major differences:
-Vikings are playing at TCF Bank Stadium for 2 seasons; Bears played at Memorial Stadium for 1 season.
-Bears and Illini share same color scheme; Vikings and Gophers do not.
 

Tim Riggins said:
I don't think Illinois changed their field when the Bears played there and don't think the NFL can make demands in a stadium that isn't their own. If so, the U could have held out for more dough.
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The U was in the driver's seat with the stadium. We should have a favorable deal, if there are any changes that are a problem for us, we ought to have been compensated. If not, we should not have made the deal in the first place.
 

bleedsmaroonandgold said:
The U was in the driver's seat with the stadium. We should have a favorable deal, if there are any changes that are a problem for us, we ought to have been compensated. If not, we should not have made the deal in the first place.
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As far as I can tell the only people that have issues with the deal reside on this board. Have not heard the administration coming out and saying they got screwed in the deal. They all seem pretty happy with the millions in new revenue coming in and free upgrades to the stadium for allowing the Vikings to use the stadium for a handful of dates over the next few years.

I really don't understand where this idea that the U is getting hosed in the deal is coming from. This is not going to affect Saturday's at TCF bank stadium and who gives a crap if the Gophers logos are not on the field on Sundays.....the wide shots of the stadium are still going to show plenty of maroon and gold and every home broadcast will start with some line about "coming to you live from the University of Minnesota campus in Minneapolis MN..."
 

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