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dpodoll68 said:
It was a pretty dense move on my part, I'll admit. I never thought the NCAA wouldn't be stupid enough to egregiously overstep their bounds. I also almost never bet for money, so my best explanation is temporary insanity. Nonetheless, if the NCAA idiotically pushes forward with punishments, I will donate the $50 as wagered.
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Confused. Does this mean you always thought the NCCA would be stupid enough to overstep their bounds?
 

Replacement Gopher said:
Confused. Does this mean you always thought the NCCA would be stupid enough to overstep their bounds?
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that's exactly what it says. we all know how fast dpodo would jump on people for the smallest of mistakes. some people have the hardest time admitting when they are wrong. that usually goes away when they are 7 or 8, usually.
 

I fully expected the NCAA would find a way to go after Penn State. However, they appear (we will know more tomorrow) to not be following any predefined due process. That is very troubling.
 



MrC said:
I fully expected the NCAA would find a way to go after Penn State. However, they appear (we will know more tomorrow) to not be following any predefined due process. That is very troubling.
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There is no "predefined due process" when you spend a decade raping children. Not troubling.
 

I wonder if Coach Kill and staff have the numbers of Penn State players on speed dial when the NCAA announces they can transfer without having to sit out a year?
 


Last year the NCCA pressured the NFL into suspending Terrell Pryor for actions that occurred while he was in college. The NCCA suggested to NFL scouts that the colleges might not be so accommodating in the future. TP 's crime? Selling/trading his own *&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!# for a tattoo.

My point? If the NCAA is to maintain any kind of credibility they must shut Penn States football program down for at least a year. What JoPa did was all about being football related. Coaches sexing children down in the locker room would most assuredly factor into the decisions of recruits and their families. Mcleary (sp) was given a paid position as a coach to keep his silence, the police were lied too or not informed and the highest ranking Penn St officials led by JoPa engaged in a cover up. This was all done in an effort to keep Penn States image in tact.

Students over turning cars when JoPa was fired, Administrators engaging in a coverup and folks worrying about a damn statue suggests to me that Happy Valley needs to undergo a serious culture change.

How will I remember JoPa? As a great man who did some great things and who ducked up to to momentous proportions. If folks would stop always trying to make their heroes without fault we wouldn't be so surprised when they prove to be imperfect (like everyone else).

On a side note; JoPa's family should really stop proclaiming his innocence. I doubt seriously JoPa woke up one morning and decided to hide the rape of children. If they keep proclaiming folks will keep digging....and who knows what else they may dig up?
 




Buttcheeks McGaffigan said:
I wonder if Coach Kill and staff have the numbers of Penn State players on speed dial when the NCAA announces they can transfer without having to sit out a year?
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The majority of their players are from the east coast and they have relatively few players from farther west than Ohio. I wouldn't be surprised if we don't get anyone.
 

My guess on the penalties are:
1) 5 year bowl ban
2) Loss of 15 schollies per year for 5 years
3) loss of revenue from shared bowl $
4) Current players can transfer now without sitting out.
 

Replacement Gopher said:
Confused. Does this mean you always thought the NCCA would be stupid enough to overstep their bounds?
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I'm not sure who the NCCA is, but assuming you meant the NCAA- yes, that's exactly what it means, as I've already made clear.

Now shut the f*ck up about it. Even though this whole punitive process is a sham and disgusting and flies in the faxe of any and all due process procedures ever made, I will live up to my half of the bet when the "NCCA" hands down its ridiculous and reckless punishments in about 3 hours. And since I will indeed live up to my half of the bet, that means you have no grounds to continue to harass me. So, again - shut the f@ck up about it.
 




To Be Named Later said:
Yes, actually, there is. That's why courts exist. Welcome to America. http://americanhistory.about.com/cs/johnadams/f/adamsboston.htm
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I am fine with the NCAA pounding Penn State for creating a football program culture in which these horrors could occur. In which witnesses (Janitors) felt it was unsafe to blow the whistle. In which concern for the program superseded concern for the safety of children.

But as the above link says, "the rule of law must be paramount." This should not only apply to courts, but to any organization that can sanction or punish. If the NCAA is making this up as they go along, I think that is wrong. We will find out soon.
 

popeyoung5 said:
My guess on the penalties are:
1) 5 year bowl ban
2) Loss of 15 schollies per year for 5 years
3) loss of revenue from shared bowl $
4) Current players can transfer now without sitting out.
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I'm thinking you are pretty close.

#3 might take a Big Ten ruling.
 

dpodoll68 said:
I'm not sure who the NCCA is, but assuming you meant the NCAA- yes, that's exactly what it means, as I've already made clear.

Now shut the f*ck up about it. Even though this whole punitive process is a sham and disgusting and flies in the faxe of any and all due process procedures ever made, I will live up to my half of the bet when the "NCCA" hands down its ridiculous and reckless punishments in about 3 hours. And since I will indeed live up to my half of the bet, that means you have no grounds to continue to harass me. So, again - shut the f@ck up about it.
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That was intentional to see if you would go out of your way to point it out. Which you did. Twice.

Was hoping you would have done an about faxe and that this episode would have taught you to lighten up on people, but really I never thought you would not do that (use of the word "faxe" and the double negative were also intentional, done this time to ensure we are speaking a common language).

Let's see what the old NCCA comes out with in 90 minutes.
 


Replacement Gopher said:
That was intentional to see if you would go out of your way to point it out. Which you did. Twice.

Was hoping you would have done an about faxe and that this episode would have taught you to lighten up on people, but really I never thought you would not do that (use of the word "faxe" and the double negative were also intentional, done this time to ensure we are speaking a common language).

Let's see what the old NCCA comes out with in 90 minutes.
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So because I was wrong, I'm supposed to suddenly be OK with other people being wrong?

Some brilliant logic you have there.

(P.S. Suuure it was an intentional mistake. Suuure it was.)
 

station19 said:
Tom Powers: Penn State victims now include football players

http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_21133833/tom-powers-penn-state-tragedy-keeps-cutting-deeper
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This argument is so stupid. The players would be punished anyway for continuing to play in a corrupt system. No one complained when Enron or Arthur Andersen shut down after their execs were corrupt. I get punished every time an Illinois Governor goes to trial for corruption. There are several examples of schools going on probation, and current players getting hurt, that's why they get the opportunity to go elsewhere.

Our basketball program has been hurt twice from NCAA sanctions. It's collateral and it happens every time punishment is handed down.
 



While I'm not sure I agree with the power the NCAA is giving itself, it's pretty obvious PSU fans are blind to the issues. They continue to look at everything with Blue and White colored glasses with the continuing support of Paterno even after all the information from the Freeh report. It's disappointing but not all that surprising.
 

From Jay Bilas,ESPN....July 13

http://espn.go.com/college-football...caa-better-sanction-penn-state-administrators


"Its pattern over the years has been to punish prospectively. The NCAA rarely lays the blame at the feet of the actual wrongdoers. Rather, the NCAA seems fond of punishing those who remain behind, saddling them with sanctions that limit the ability of the blameless to move forward.

I have never felt this is fair or particularly effective. To sanction Penn State with a bowl ban, a television ban, loss of scholarships, loss of practice time or other penalties would do little or nothing to punish the monstrous behavior of Sandusky or the cowardly cover-up and indefensible inaction of Spanier, Schultz, Curley and Paterno."


"The NCAA, instead, should sanction the actual wrongdoers in this case: Spanier, Schultz, Curley and Paterno. The sanctions should not be forward-looking but based upon the actual wrongs committed by each. Unfortunately, the NCAA rarely, if ever, takes such action with regard to administrators. Usually, such action is reserved for coaches and players. The NCAA never, and I mean never, takes action against one of its own, a university president. The university president is the one who is supposed to be in charge, and the one the NCAA repeatedly tells us is in charge. Yet the president is never held accountable."
 


CrocShots said:
This argument is so stupid. The players would be punished anyway for continuing to play in a corrupt system. No one complained when Enron or Arthur Andersen shut down after their execs were corrupt. I get punished every time an Illinois Governor goes to trial for corruption. There are several examples of schools going on probation, and current players getting hurt, that's why they get the opportunity to go elsewhere.

Our basketball program has been hurt twice from NCAA sanctions. It's collateral and it happens every time punishment is handed down.
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The fact that it happens doesn't make it right. The problem with this case is that people are tied up in it emotionally. When that happens (in pretty much every aspect of life), rationality goes out the window.

I actually point to your Enron comparison to argue the other side. I would compare that to recruiting violations or improper benefits. It is within the field of what they do. Would Enron be shut down if the board of directors at the company covered up the fact that an executive was molesting boys? No, it wouldn't. The punishments would come naturally (criminal court, drop in stock prices, company image taking a hit, financial responsibility in civil court) just like it should, in my opinion, in this case (criminal court, less national prestige, less money coming in through advertising revenue, financial responsibility in civil court, tougher time attracting recruits). The current employees, much like the current players, would be damaged but not punished.
 

popeyoung5 said:
My guess on the penalties are:
1) 5 year bowl ban
2) Loss of 15 schollies per year for 5 years
3) loss of revenue from shared bowl $
4) Current players can transfer now without sitting out.
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Yeah, that's about what I was thinking. My guess:

1) 3 year bowl ban
2) Loss of 40 scholarships over 4 years
3) Current players allowed to transfer freely.
4) B1G will take away bowl $ for the next 3 years.
5) B1G will make them ineligible for the championship game.
 

Iowa president: Big Ten has 'jurisdiction' to punish Penn State

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/eye-on-college-football/19633881

“I think you can expect when the NCAA is ready to talk about what the appropriate actions are with regard to Penn State, that we'll be ready to talk about appropriate actions with regard to the conference as well,” Mason said. "We're watching the NCAA closely."

Go Gophers!!
 

BleedGopher said:
Iowa president: Big Ten has 'jurisdiction' to punish Penn State

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/eye-on-college-football/19633881

“I think you can expect when the NCAA is ready to talk about what the appropriate actions are with regard to Penn State, that we'll be ready to talk about appropriate actions with regard to the conference as well,” Mason said. "We're watching the NCAA closely."

Go Gophers!!
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I would actually have less issue with Big Ten kicking Penn State out of the conference than I do with NCAA actions, since the conference is set up for the betterment of all schools. If one school's inclusion in the conference hurts the image, marketability, finances, or prestige of the rest of the schools, then the other schools can kick that school out.

If the Big Ten tried to impose sanctions, however, that would be a different story.
 

To Be Named Later said:
I would actually have less issue with Big Ten kicking Penn State out of the conference than I do with NCAA actions, since the conference is set up for the betterment of all schools. If one school's inclusion in the conference hurts the image, marketability, finances, or prestige of the rest of the schools, then the other schools can kick that school out.
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Agreed.
 

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