Updates About Penn State Scandal UPDATED 6/12: PSU has spent $45.9M on scandal

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RodentRampage said:
If an organization cannot be held responsible for what it does wrong, then how can it claim credit for what it does right? If we can say that the because the individuals are gone, the organization is no longer accountable for the bad, then surely once those individuals that do good are gone, the organiztion can't claim credit for their actions. Are a businesses assets or debts wiped out when the people who caused them are no longer part of the business?
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I get what you're saying, but the problem is that punishment is about future prevention or righting a wrong. Nothing would be changed if the NCAA intervened in this. Nothing would change for the victims, other schools would not be swayed to act any more than if there was no NCAA intervention, and the only people who would be hurt by any of it would be people who had nothing to do with it. I get that people want justice, but that is what the criminal justice system is for.
 

Our criminal justice system has nothing to do with justice it has to do with guilt or innocence. The civil court system has to do with compensation for loss, again, little to do with justice. What many people are looking for is PUNISHMENT. This is almost certainly exacerbated by the sanctified level to which Joe Paterno had been elevated.
 

ncgo4 said:
Our criminal justice system has nothing to do with justice it has to do with guilt or innocence. The civil court system has to do with compensation for loss, again, little to do with justice. What many people are looking for is PUNISHMENT. This is almost certainly exacerbated by the sanctified level to which Joe Paterno had been elevated.
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Interesting.
 

To Be Named Later said:
I get what you're saying, but the problem is that punishment is about future prevention or righting a wrong. Nothing would be changed if the NCAA intervened in this. Nothing would change for the victims, other schools would not be swayed to act any more than if there was no NCAA intervention, and the only people who would be hurt by any of it would be people who had nothing to do with it. I get that people want justice, but that is what the criminal justice system is for.
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I completely disagree that enacting he death penalty in this case does not change the calculus of future actors. Nobody has thumbed their nose at the NCAA in the same fashion as SMU in the 25 years since they lost their program.
 

badgergopher said:
I completely disagree that enacting he death penalty in this case does not change the calculus of future actors. Nobody has thumbed their nose at the NCAA in the same fashion as SMU in the 25 years since they lost their program.
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I think USC came very close, but you're right that it's few and far between.

I'm curious as to what the NCAA and B1G will do and the only thing I'm leery of is precedent. What happened at Penn State is an extreme (and heinous) example of institutional rot on top of some absolutely disgusting personal behavior. If the NCAA plunges into this, they are going to be pressured to act on more items of misbehavior not directly tied to athletic programs and all decisions to intervene and the level of punishment meted out will be measured against the Penn State decision, if the NCAA indeed acts on Penn State. I think that's why they are taking their time.
 


50PoundHead said:
I think USC came very close, but you're right that it's few and far between.

I'm curious as to what the NCAA and B1G will do and the only thing I'm leery of is precedent. What happened at Penn State is an extreme (and heinous) example of institutional rot on top of some absolutely disgusting personal behavior. If the NCAA plunges into this, they are going to be pressured to act on more items of misbehavior not directly tied to athletic programs and all decisions to intervene and the level of punishment meted out will be measured against the Penn State decision, if the NCAA indeed acts on Penn State. I think that's why they are taking their time.
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That and waiting to see what other allegations arise.
 

badgergopher said:
I completely disagree that enacting he death penalty in this case does not change the calculus of future actors. Nobody has thumbed their nose at the NCAA in the same fashion as SMU in the 25 years since they lost their program.
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So the NCAA sanctions are what would stop this in the future? Not the jail time or human lives affected?
 

To Be Named Later said:
So the NCAA sanctions are what would stop this in the future? Not the jail time or human lives affected?
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Both. Jail time will deter individuals in a position like Paterno, Curley, Spanier. Death Penalty will prevent trustees from failing to provide sufficient oversight & governance of the coaches and officers.
 

badgergopher said:
Both. Jail time will deter individuals in a position like Paterno, Curley, Spanier. Death Penalty will prevent trustees from failing to provide sufficient oversight & governance of the coaches and officers.
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You're placing too much importance on sports.

Sad that you feel our legal system of justice is not adequate.

Do you think those involved with the crimes/cover-up are more concerned about the the criminal charges/civil charges, or more concerned about the NCAA sanctions?
 



Death Penally....kick them out of the Big Ten...and tear down Paterno's stupid statue. If you rape little children and the coaches\school turns their back on it....YOU'RE DONE!
 

Parski1 said:
Death Penally....kick them out of the Big Ten...and tear down Paterno's stupid statue. If you rape little children and the coaches\school turns their back on it....YOU'RE DONE!
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I don't disagree, but my concern is the NCAA. This is an organization that is always on the verge of being out of control. In many colleges sports are so sacrosanct that many D1 administrations would like nothing better than to have them step in in a way that they could partially wash their hands of the need to discipline football & basketball programs that are in many ways bigger and more influential than the educational intitution itself.

This Paterno situation has the outside potential to wreak havoc with the NCAA structure as we know it and I'm not sure it would necessarily end up better than what we have. I'm certainly not predicting this, but I can see the NCAA seeing it as an opportunity with many Presidnts more than willing to see it happen. Big time sanction against PSU and the death penalty against Miami and watch out!
 

ESPN: Joe Paterno statue coming down

Penn State University will remove the famed statue of Joe Paterno outside its football stadium, eliminating a key piece of the iconography surrounding the once-sainted football coach accused of burying child sex abuse allegations against a retired assistant.

The university said Sunday that it will take down the larger-than-life monument in the face of an investigative report by former FBI Director Louis Freeh that found the late coach, along with three top Penn State administrators, concealed the abuse claims against Jerry Sandusky more than a decade ago in order to shield the university and its football program from negative publicity.

http://espn.go.com/college-football...tatue-removed-penn-state-university-crew-site

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BleedGopher said:
ESPN: Joe Paterno statue coming down

Penn State University will remove the famed statue of Joe Paterno outside its football stadium, eliminating a key piece of the iconography surrounding the once-sainted football coach accused of burying child sex abuse allegations against a retired assistant.

The university said Sunday that it will take down the larger-than-life monument in the face of an investigative report by former FBI Director Louis Freeh that found the late coach, along with three top Penn State administrators, concealed the abuse claims against Jerry Sandusky more than a decade ago in order to shield the university and its football program from negative publicity.

http://espn.go.com/college-football...tatue-removed-penn-state-university-crew-site

Go Gophers!!
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CBS reports that the NCAA will announce "unprecedented" penalties against the football program Monday morning. Ruh roe.
 

Gopher07 said:
CBS reports that the NCAA will announce "unprecedented" penalties against the football program Monday morning. Ruh roe.
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Dan Wolken seems to think that PSU and the NCAA have worked out some sort of deal.

"@Schadjoe Mark Emmert was granted authority to punish PSU in unprecedented manner by NCAA Board and Committee"

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The one thing that will be interesting if it does include any "time off" for the football program is what happens to the Big Ten and its schedule. I'm not sure if there is a technicality in the rules, but if Penn State isn't allowed to play for a season, then Big Ten goes back to 11 teams, and technically can't have divisions or a championship game. It could royally screw up league wide scheduling, the conference's major bowl chances, and cost the Big Ten a ton of $$ as well.
 

dpodo saying for months that ncaa won't take action because its not ncaa issue. espn, cbs reporting that ncaa will take major action. it will be interesting to see if dpodo is right or if espn and cbs are right.
 

Well,well,well. The statue is toast and NCAA sanctions coming very soon. They will play football with bowl bans and very few schollies. Can't wait to see the "it's not a football matter/NCAA won't get involved" crowd post again or probably just fade away. The Gophers are catching PSU back on the schedule just right.
 

Go4 said:
dpodo saying for months that ncaa won't take action because its not ncaa issue. espn, cbs reporting that ncaa will take major action. it will be interesting to see if dpodo is right or if espn and cbs are right.
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You are very wrong. I said that they shouldn't take action, not that they won't take action. I'm not at all surprised that the NCAA is sticking its nose where it doesn't belong. This is so stupid.
 

popeyoung5 said:
Well,well,well. The statue is toast and NCAA sanctions coming very soon. They will play football with bowl bans and very few schollies. Can't wait to see the "it's not a football matter/NCAA won't get involved" crowd post again or probably just fade away. The Gophers are catching PSU back on the schedule just right.
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Meanwhile, that already weak BT division is now just two teams: Ohio State and Wisconsin. Ohio State on probation this year (thus eliminating them from the BT championship game) and now PSU likely to suffer a miserable 3-5 year stretch. Unreal.

Go Gophers!!
 

dpodoll68 said:
You are very wrong. I said that they shouldn't take action, not that they won't take action. I'm not at all surprised that the NCAA is sticking its nose where it doesn't belong. This is so stupid.
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Here we go dpodoll68, it looks like GohpherHole will receive a $50 donation from either you or me tomorrow, assuming we are both men of our word, which I absolutely am, and will pay up if my prediction of NCAA sanctions is wrong.

http://www.forums.gopherhole.com/bo...ments-on-PSU-situation...&p=461630#post461630
 

dpodoll68 said:
You are very wrong. I said that they shouldn't take action, not that they won't take action. I'm not at all surprised that the NCAA is sticking its nose where it doesn't belong. This is so stupid.
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Simply amazing logic. Once again, if a Sociology Prof did this, do You think the Head of the Sociology dept. could convince the regents to look the other way? Decisions were made to protect the d-coor/football program and Paterno's ego over the victims.
 

popeyoung5 said:
Simply amazing logic. Once again, if a Sociology Prof did this, do You think the Head of the Sociology dept. could convince the regents to look the other way? Decisions were made to protect the d-coor/football program and Paterno's ego over the victims.
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So you think the NCAA would place sanctions on the sociology department? Make them lose academic scholarships over a few years?
 

Dpodoll

dpodoll68 said:
So you think the NCAA would place sanctions on the sociology department? Make them lose academic scholarships over a few years?
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Not taking sides here or saying that you are wrong but in situations like this sometimes silence can be golden.
 


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