Updates About Penn State Scandal UPDATED 6/12: PSU has spent $45.9M on scandal

I just heard about this option today and on it's face it sounds like a more reasonable choice. Yes, it opens up the "mob rule" option, but at least the decision would come from peer institutions versus an unaccountable organization with a history of overstepping boundries.

This would be interesting, but it reminds me of when I was on student council (way back when) and the principal left the disciplining of several students who had done something harmless (but really stupid) to us. Of course, we voted to exonerate the culprits and the principal went bat-crap crazy.

Seriously, if I were an NCAA member and would urge this be kicked back upstairs. I doubt very much member institutions are going to want to open up themselves to scrutiny on their vote.
 

Mob rule. Rock on dude!

The law is as messy as the mob needs it to be.
 

The NCAA president discusses Penn State and why he considers the problem there to be more than just a 'football scandal'.

"I don’t want to take anything off the table," Emmert said when asked about the possible use of the NCAA "Death Penalty," which was applied to Southern Methodist University's football program in the 1980s. "The fact is this is completely different than an impermissible benefits scandal like happened at SMU, or anything else we’ve dealt with. This is as systemic, a cultural problem as it is a football problem."

 


This is a disaster, perhaps beyond repair. PSU, we now know, from the very top clearly sacrificed the well being of children to protect their football program. Who punishes them and how is the question. Clearly the civil courts will meet out a huge financial beating with some suggesting the bottom line cold reach $100 million or even a multiple of that.

$$$, however, is clearly not a sufficient punishment. We don't, for example allow the pedophile to just pay off his/her victims. We send them to jail. In this instance the institution will almost assuredly be sent to jail, but by whom?

There are three options, as I see it. First, PSU, itself. This will certainly happen as the institution attempts to get ahead of worse punishment by a growing vigilante force. Secondly the Pennsylvania Sate legslature could act to somehow punish the institution. God knows there's nothing political hacks (of both Parties) like more than showboating their moral superiority, in this case, though, I doubt a political consensus will be reached. Finally, the NCAA, has no choice but to act, and to do so decisively.

I cannot envision a scenario in which PSU is not out of the football business for at least 2 or 3 years. This will also punish all the Big 10 teams who will each lose their share of the huge football take off
p a powerhouse program.
 


Tweet: "AP: Paterno’s alma mater Brown takes coach’s name off coaching position & annual student-athlete award."

Go Gophers!!
 

Can you imagine what this whole issue would be like if Paterno was still alive.
 


Can you imagine what this whole issue would be like if Paterno was still alive.

A lot more people would be sleeping with the fishes like Ray Gricar.

Note: It is Tipsy McStagger's belief that JoePa joined Ray Gricar on the tropical island where Ray has been hiding out since 2005.

:cool02::cool02:
 



A lot more people would be sleeping with the fishes like Ray Gricar.

Note: It is Tipsy McStagger's belief that JoePa joined Ray Gricar on the tropical island where Ray has been hiding out since 2005.

:cool02::cool02:

I haven't seen much of Kelly Leeks lately. Is he there too?
 

This would be interesting, but it reminds me of when I was on student council (way back when) and the principal left the disciplining of several students who had done something harmless (but really stupid) to us. Of course, we voted to exonerate the culprits and the principal went bat-crap crazy.

Seriously, if I were an NCAA member and would urge this be kicked back upstairs. I doubt very much member institutions are going to want to open up themselves to scrutiny on their vote.
Possibly, but at least then it's the schools that are on the hook for the decision.
 






Gotta love some of the comments made after a student group changed the area where students camp out before games from Paternoville to Nittanyville:

"Another idiotic move by stupid people. For the student leaders that made this decision, do us all a favor and transfer. Cowards," wrote Bob Fetrow.

Kinda ironic that he's calling these people "cowards".

"This is pathetic," wrote Janessa Bednash. "Read the report. There is no evidence to determine Joe had a hand in covering this up.

Um, okay.

"If you believe in the legacy (Paterno) left in the thousands of students he influenced both on and off the field then do not disgrace his name. You are a part of this college you should be defending him," said David Eberly.

"Paternoville is officially dead. Don't be upset when 3 people show up at the first game and it goes downhill from there," wrote Chris Sheedy.

Gotta love how some of these people are getting so much more bent out of shape about Peterno than the fact that dozens (or more) kids were molested at their school. It's like they've been brainwashed.
 

Gotta love some of the comments made after a student group changed the area where students camp out before games from Paternoville to Nittanyville:



Kinda ironic that he's calling these people "cowards".



Um, okay.



Gotta love how some of these people are getting so much more bent out of shape about Peterno than the fact that dozens (or more) kids were molested at their school. It's like they've been brainwashed.

I imagine there are some vintage-1930s Germans (probably in Argentina or Paraguay) who appreciate the ardor of this segment of the Penn State faithful. Certainly not the same scope, but the same tired refrain in a similar vein, this time "Paternoville uber alles." Damn those victims. They are ruining our greatness!!!!
 


I haven't read this whole thread so I apologize if its been discussed, but lets assume they get the death penalty for one season. Does the Big Ten for just that one season go back to an 11 team league with no divisions and no title game? I realize there would be lost revenue because of no title game but it just wouldn't seem fair to have 5 teams in one divison and 6 in the other.
 

I haven't read this whole thread so I apologize if its been discussed, but lets assume they get the death penalty for one season. Does the Big Ten for just that one season go back to an 11 team league with no divisions and no title game? I realize there would be lost revenue because of no title game but it just wouldn't seem fair to have 5 teams in one divison and 6 in the other.

I don't think that has been discussed yet, at least not publicly.
 

I haven't read this whole thread so I apologize if its been discussed, but lets assume they get the death penalty for one season. Does the Big Ten for just that one season go back to an 11 team league with no divisions and no title game? I realize there would be lost revenue because of no title game but it just wouldn't seem fair to have 5 teams in one divison and 6 in the other.

In my opinion they would still keep the divisions and the title game regardless (way too much money to pass up), but they would have to change the scheduling.

One possibility is to go to a non divisional schedule where at least some teams will not play everyone in their division (since you can't even out a divisional schedule with 8 conference games and 11 teams and still have each team play every team in their division).

Or they could ask an independent school to replace PSU for a year and count them as conference games. But finding a school willing to do that just for a year could be tough.

Or they could have the Leaders play 7 conference games and add a non-conference of their choosing (most likely scenario IMO).

If PSU leaves or gets booted from the B1G, then I could see it being suspended until a new team joins if they can't find one right away.

I still think the odds of the Death Penalty or being out of the B1G are very slim.
 


I haven't read this whole thread so I apologize if its been discussed, but lets assume they get the death penalty for one season. Does the Big Ten for just that one season go back to an 11 team league with no divisions and no title game? I realize there would be lost revenue because of no title game but it just wouldn't seem fair to have 5 teams in one divison and 6 in the other.

Having a 5 team division and a six team division would be the least of their concerns in that scenario.

Penn St will not get the 'death penalty' - no way.

I expect Penn St to self impose some penalties such as ban post season play and some loss of scholarships-two yrs maybe. The NCAA will endorse the penalties.
 

<<In my opinion they would still keep the divisions and the title game regardless (way too much money to pass up), but they would have to change the scheduling. >>

Doesn't the NCAA require at least 12 teams for a conference title game? It seems that was the big reason for adding Nebraska. The divisions make little sense without a title game. Maybe a loophole would be to say Penn State is still in the conference, as far as football goes, but the are forfeiting all their games. Of course, that leaves the teams with PSU off their schedules at a disadvantage.
 

Doesn't the NCAA require at least 12 teams for a conference title game? It seems that was the big reason for adding Nebraska. The divisions make little sense without a title game. Maybe a loophole would be to say Penn State is still in the conference, as far as football goes, but the are forfeiting all their games. Of course, that leaves the teams with PSU off their schedules at a disadvantage.


The NCAA requires 12 teams for a championship game. That Penn State was still in the conference, just not playing football wouldn't provide a loophole, it would be like having a school that was a member of the conference, but not for football. If a conference has 12 teams, but only 11 of them have a football team, they wouldn't be able to have a championship game.

However, in such a situation, it is likely that the NCAA would grant a wavier. I don't expect that the NCAA will give out the death penalty, but the situation is serious, and some of the Penn State fans are in denial.
 

If they give PSU a two year ban starting in 2014 they should invite ND to be a guest conference member for those two years.

Some people on GH's heads would explode.
 




Having a 5 team division and a six team division would be the least of their concerns in that scenario.

Penn St will not get the 'death penalty' - no way.

I expect Penn St to self impose some penalties such as ban post season play and some loss of scholarships-two yrs maybe. The NCAA will endorse the penalties.

I think the penalty needs to be a lot worse than what you’re implying, kids were molested and their welfare was not considered AT ALL by anyone that had the authority to STOP it.
 

wdgold said:
I think the penalty needs to be a lot worse than what you&#146;re implying, kids were molested and their welfare was not considered AT ALL by anyone that had the authority to STOP it.

The penalty is worse: jail. For the people responsible. Nobody at Penn State now had anything to do with it.
 

The penalty is worse: jail. For the people responsible. Nobody at Penn State now had anything to do with it.

I was responding to penalties to the University and the FB program.
 




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