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HitMeAgainIAmStillMoving said:
Interesting to see Slab and Up on opposite sides of the issue. I enjoy them both. My position is closer to Up but Slab is like my dad talking to me, I have to listen. Heather better hope PJ never runs for office. Her head would explode.
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She was making a general statement.

Would be like if a politicians wife said that "gun violence is bad, and people need to behave better".
 

rowdaboat said:
Can we yell at the players instead? Coaches off limits on their Lake Minnetonka mansions
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I don't bother yelling at either.

Most of the players are just kids, maybe with a scholarship ... but you know I don't bother yelling at pros either ... they know. They don't need to hear my angst directed directly at them.
 

I read her note, you can find it on Twitter.
It seemed like she was sticking up for the wives/families of all the coaches. I am guessing quite a few comments were made about Sanford within ear shot of his wife and kids.

I am kind of mixed about that…. If I am at the game, it would be reasonable for me to say, “geez Sanford, what are you thinking?”. Someone would reply, “yeah, we need to bring back Ciraocca, it’s all gone downhill since he left”.

Fair things to say, but you can imagine how the guys wife or kids would react.

Then again, maybe don’t bring the family to work or keep them distanced? Which I am sure they normally do, but they too probably thought, “hey this is Bowling Green”.
 

Replacement Gopher said:
I read her note, you can find it on Twitter.
It seemed like she was sticking up for the wives/families of all the coaches. I am guessing quite a few comments were made about Sanford within ear shot of his wife and kids.

I am kind of mixed about that…. If I am at the game, it would be reasonable for me to say, “geez Sanford, what are you thinking?”. Someone would reply, “yeah, we need to bring back Ciraocca, it’s all gone downhill since he left”.

Fair things to say, but you can imagine how the guys wife or kids would react.

Then again, maybe don’t bring the family to work or keep them distanced? Which I am sure they normally do, but they too probably thought, “hey this is Bowling Green”.
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Wouldn't coaches wives/kids be in a suite together, anyway? Sure, probably open air and loud, drunk, angry fans yelling is going to leak through.


No matter what, fans have the general right to boo. I don't think she was saying anything of the sort against that, I'm just saying.

I'm glad that fans boo'ed the offense and the offensive decision making. It was deserved.
 

Replacement Gopher said:
I read her note, you can find it on Twitter.
It seemed like she was sticking up for the wives/families of all the coaches. I am guessing quite a few comments were made about Sanford within ear shot of his wife and kids.

I am kind of mixed about that…. If I am at the game, it would be reasonable for me to say, “geez Sanford, what are you thinking?”. Someone would reply, “yeah, we need to bring back Ciraocca, it’s all gone downhill since he left”.

Fair things to say, but you can imagine how the guys wife or kids would react.

Then again, maybe don’t bring the family to work or keep them distanced? Which I am sure they normally do, but they too probably thought, “hey this is Bowling Green”.
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I think the families of coaches understand that there will be criticism and personally are all ok with that as they are well compensated and mostly doing a job that they love. Coaches prepare their families for that stuff, but the vulgar comments are the issues. It's the saying stuff directly to them as they are leaving. I don't think she's talking about the fan yelling "Go back to Utah State Sanford" or the "Bring back Kirk" comments.
 



Unfortunately, love and hate, perfect and awful are what drive social media profits and that thinking slowly filters into the real world. People are being conditioned to think this way.

Profits are no longer driven by fair and balanced. Moderate. The instant feedback loop of clicks with strong statements encourages extreme thinking.

Currently there is only room for two camps in media at opposite ends of the spectrum; both extreme and unrealistic. On our current trajectory, everyone is going to be god-like or the devil depending the author's intended audience.

Hopefully we get back to the day when people put down their phones and do a little thinking for themselves. Perhaps a little self reflection. Maybe some day integrity and ethics will be at the core of journalism again.

Until that day, I expect feelings will be an emotional roller-coaster and things are on a course to get more extreme. Buckle up.
 


Just an FYI, I saw this post, and it wasn’t even Heather’s words, she was just sharing the post. I agree with a lot of it. I think the bottom line is that negativity doesn’t really do a lot of good, it hurts recruiting and the program.
 




touchdownvikings said:
I thought Heather's message was well written, authentic and moving. She wasn't asking fans to void themselves of passion - only to be civil. Is that too much to ask?
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IMO, it actually kind of is. Section2's post said it the best, the good (crowds of fans cheering for you) come with the bad (odd ball fans booing you and being jerks). It literally happens at every single place in the country. We're probably the most cordial fans on the planet (seriously) and it happens here. Would I do it? No. Would I hang out with people who did it? No.

To whine and victimize yourself on social media about it is completely out of touch and it feels like there might be a bit more going on.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
Does cheering? We do that when they do good.
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In football it could lead to communication issues for the opposing team.
I would also imagine cheering is correlated to any sort of home-field advantage (obviously not the only factor but I would think it's part of it).
 




GopherLady said:
Just an FYI, I saw this post, and it wasn’t even Heather’s words, she was just sharing the post. I agree with a lot of it. I think the bottom line is that negativity doesn’t really do a lot of good, it hurts recruiting and the program.
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I guess it depends on your definition of negativity. All fans should be entitled to boo and cheer. The cheer only feels so good because it's just an emotional outburst of positivity. None of this happens without passionate fans. The things you hear at Ohio State, Michigan, Alabama, Oklahoma, etc. when things aren't going well for them absolutely dwarfs the things you hear from Gopher fans. We are a mild bunch (which I think actually hurts our recruiting considerably more than being passionate).

Her husband is getting paid almost $5 million per year and on many Saturdays he has crowds of people cheering for him like he is Caesar returning to Rome. With that there are going to be some slight negatives. Those negatives will happen for our recruits, it happens to everyone in the NFL, and IMO, it comes incredibly out of touch, entitled, and desperate to be a victim to make/share a post like that.

I don't know anything about the post, but it sure looks like the original author was a HS coach's wife (fridaynightwives), and yeah, for them the post makes more sense.
 

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In football it could lead to communication issues for the opposing team.
I would also imagine cheering is correlated to any sort of home-field advantage (obviously not the only factor but I would think it's part of it).
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Booing could be just as loud.

What about cheering after the game? Pep rally type things? Those pointless then?
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
Booing could be just as loud.

What about cheering after the game? Pep rally type things? Those pointless then?
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Builds community and helps bring in more fans. Also, I would think an atmosphere like the 2019 Penn State game or even the OSU game this year (lots of cheering) would help with recruiting. Recruiting helps bring in better players and should lead to a better team.

My reference about yelling was related to yelling at the wife and kids of the coaches (in their mansions). Not sure how that would help our team play better. I'm not sure yelling at or booing players helps them play better either. Maybe a sports psychologist can chime in but from what I've read, booing your own team mostly has a negative effect.

I'm not saying fans can't yell or boo their own team. They can do it - I just personally don't think it helps anything.
 
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A_Slab_of_Bacon said:
I don't get this.

Not being an asshole to someone is relative to how much money they make for you?
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There's a difference between being an asshole and being able to voice your frustration. If you take the time and/or pay the money to attend a game, you get to vent at the game. You paid for the right. There's a fuzzy line there where venting becomes personal attacks and I don't agree that personal attacks are worthy. And I always try and remember these are people before I call for anyone's job. And really no one listens to me anyway, so I never yell someone should get fired. But I do reserve my right to express my displeasure with the product I'm paying to see. And I will not cede that right.
 

Sparlimb said:
There's a difference between being an asshole and being able to voice your frustration. If you take the time and/or pay the money to attend a game, you get to vent at the game. You paid for the right. There's a fuzzy line there where venting becomes personal attacks and I don't agree that personal attacks are worthy. And I always try and remember these are people before I call for anyone's job. And really no one listens to me anyway, so I never yell someone should get fired. But I do reserve my right to express my displeasure with the product I'm paying to see. And I will not cede that right.
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I think this is a fair statement. Personally, I'm not someone that boos my own team but if others want to do it, they can. I don't think it helps the team in any way shape or form though. Agree that personal attacks are over the line.
 

Sparlimb said:
There's a difference between being an asshole and being able to voice your frustration. If you take the time and/or pay the money to attend a game, you get to vent at the game. You paid for the right. There's a fuzzy line there where venting becomes personal attacks and I don't agree that personal attacks are worthy. And I always try and remember these are people before I call for anyone's job. And really no one listens to me anyway, so I never yell someone should get fired. But I do reserve my right to express my displeasure with the product I'm paying to see. And I will not cede that right.
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I get what you're saying but the comment I responded to was saying something else I think.

Thus we're probabbly talking about 2 related, but not the same things.
 


Two things can be right at the same time. For example, some fans can be behaving unacceptably poorly (and they do), but a member of the household that cashes the checks for the $4+ million salary funded by those fans' ticket purchases and TV eyeballs can be the wrong person to publicly complain about them.
 

This thread is going to go on forever much like a mask thread or the rights of the white supremacists in an attempt to make lives miserable.
 


Minnesota sports events continually have the best behaved fans in my experience. There are places you legitimately have reason to fear for life and limb, not just a little ear candy. Not defending drunken idiots. As a former athlete and top level competitor PJF could not care less about the criticism, I’m sure.
 

Pompous Elitist said:
Minnesota sports events continually have the best behaved fans in my experience. There are places you legitimately have reason to fear for life and limb, not just a little ear candy. Not defending drunken idiots. As a former athlete and top level competitor PJF could not care less about the criticism, I’m sure.
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It why I love being living here as a sports fan despite all the heartache. I can't imagine living in a place where sports are or nearly as insane as the rest of American life. It why I dislike the who hates Iowa chant....
 

GopherLady said:
Just an FYI, I saw this post, and it wasn’t even Heather’s words, she was just sharing the post. I agree with a lot of it. I think the bottom line is that negativity doesn’t really do a lot of good, it hurts recruiting and the program.
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Thanks for the Clarification!!
 



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