The Truth about tubby take 2

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goldengophers said:
Tied for 7th isn't it.
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Gotcha. You have a different definition for middle. Since 6.5 is the middle, I'm assuming you don't think anyone is in the middle of the pack since no one can be finish in 6.5 place.
 

GophersInIowa said:
Gotcha. You have a different definition for middle. Since 6.5 is the middle, I'm assuming you don't think anyone is in the middle of the pack since no one can be finish in 6.5 place.
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Well said. But the guy won't admit he is wrong anyway.
 

XMan said:
I am not sure i believe the "they hate tubby stuff" but even if it were true these kids don't want to lose, they will go out and play their best in the tournament.
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I'm with you on this. Hate is a strong word. I doubt any player hates Tubby. If he does he is a D-Bag. Not enjoying playing for Tubby? That is more like it. Change is needed. Everyone but a few here can see that.
 

GophersInIowa said:
Gotcha. You have a different definition for middle. Since 6.5 is the middle, I'm assuming you don't think anyone is in the middle of the pack since no one can be finish in 6.5 place.
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Tied for 7th is the same as tied for 9th, as such we aren't middle of the pack.
 

This thread has regressed to arguments about semantics. Do I need to call in a refereeing crew?
 



Tied for 7th is the same as tied for 9th, as such we aren't middle of the pack.
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Where did you go to school? In Iowa? LOL

NO WHERE in the world is being in a 3 way tie for 7th, equal to being tied for 9th. It doesn't work that way.


Stubburn? What is it?


1st-4th - Upper Tier
5th-8th - Middle of the Pack
9th-12th - Celler Dwellers.

Hard to argue that more than the 4 worst teams are cellar dwellers, especially in the Big Ten this season.

Seeing as the 3 teams tied for 7th are all rated in the Top 60 in the country in the Sagarin Ratings.


I would grant that it might be tough to argue that the 5th place team is just middle of the pack as well.


But an even split, 4-4-4 makes it come out that way.



How about

1st-5th - Upper Echelon (definitely in the Top 25 ratings and in the Big Dance)
6th-9th - Middle of the Pack (not ranked & 100% sure they're in the dance or at least not getting good seed)
10th-12th - Cellar Dwellers. (not even NIT worthy)


That's not an even split, 5-4-3, but it fits the VERY top heavy Big Ten pretty well.
 

BTW, all you Shaka Smart fans notice how he blew a 5 pt half time lead to lose to Temple by 8?

Not saying Temple sucks, and it was a road game, but it's STILL losing by 8 when you were up by 5??? Suspicious for the greatest coach to come along since sliced bread, is all I'm saying.
 

#1nHkyCfbBsbDncSolarDebat said:
BTW, all you Shaka Smart fans notice how he blew a 5 pt half time lead to lose to Temple by 8?

Not saying Temple sucks, and it was a road game, but it's STILL losing by 8 when you were up by 5??? Suspicious for the greatest coach to come along since sliced bread, is all I'm saying.
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They actually were up 16 points with 5 mins left in the half. Thanks a lot Shaka, the Gophers could have used a Temple loss.
 




You just will not leave this man alone. You stated in a previous thread that they would go 1-4 and I said 3-2 and you started throwing all these rpi numbers and laughed at me. He went 3-2 like I said because I actually watch the games and don't just look at numbers. The man would be a huge improvement for us and you still want to try and bang on him after he exceeded your expectations by two games. Stop bashing on the guy, he is a top three hire for almost any power 6 conference and we would be luck to have him. I am not saying he is the greatest thing since slice bread but what does this guy have to do to prove it you (besides exceeding what you predicted by 2 games). Sweet 16? Elite 8? He beat your precious Butler at home by 30. (Which you again predicted a loss) It is getting to the point where it seems you have a personal vendetta against him.

#1nHkyCfbBsbDncSolarDebat said:
BTW, all you Shaka Smart fans notice how he blew a 5 pt half time lead to lose to Temple by 8?

Not saying Temple sucks, and it was a road game, but it's STILL losing by 8 when you were up by 5??? Suspicious for the greatest coach to come along since sliced bread, is all I'm saying.
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#1nHkyCfbBsbDncSolarDebat said:
BTW, all you Shaka Smart fans notice how he blew a 5 pt half time lead to lose to Temple by 8?

Not saying Temple sucks, and it was a road game, but it's STILL losing by 8 when you were up by 5??? Suspicious for the greatest coach to come along since sliced bread, is all I'm saying.
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Judging coaches on the basis of one game has to be exhausting mentally.
 

goldengophers said:
Tied for 7th is the same as tied for 9th, as such we aren't middle of the pack.
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Because it helps your argument. So if Indiana had lost today (and assuming Michigan St. will win against NW) you would agree that there were no 1st place teams in the Big Ten this year? Just four teams that finished 4th?
 



#1nHkyCfbBsbDncSolarDebat said:
Where did you go to school? In Iowa? LOL

NO WHERE in the world is being in a 3 way tie for 7th, equal to being tied for 9th. It doesn't work that way.


Stubburn? What is it?


1st-4th - Upper Tier
5th-8th - Middle of the Pack
9th-12th - Celler Dwellers.

Hard to argue that more than the 4 worst teams are cellar dwellers, especially in the Big Ten this season.

Seeing as the 3 teams tied for 7th are all rated in the Top 60 in the country in the Sagarin Ratings.


I would grant that it might be tough to argue that the 5th place team is just middle of the pack as well.


But an even split, 4-4-4 makes it come out that way.



How about

1st-5th - Upper Echelon (definitely in the Top 25 ratings and in the Big Dance)
6th-9th - Middle of the Pack (not ranked & 100% sure they're in the dance or at least not getting good seed)
10th-12th - Cellar Dwellers. (not even NIT worthy)


That's not an even split, 5-4-3, but it fits the VERY top heavy Big Ten pretty well.
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Well by your line of reasoning then, the team that finishes just behind those three teams is in 8th place right?

Doesn't make any difference where or if you went to school. If you can't count you're screwed.
 

rivergopher said:
You just will not leave this man alone. You stated in a previous thread that they would go 1-4 and I said 3-2 and you started throwing all these rpi numbers and laughed at me. He went 3-2 like I said because I actually watch the games and don't just look at numbers. The man would be a huge improvement for us and you still want to try and bang on him after he exceeded your expectations by two games. Stop bashing on the guy, he is a top three hire for almost any power 6 conference and we would be luck to have him. I am not saying he is the greatest thing since slice bread but what does this guy have to do to prove it you (besides exceeding what you predicted by 2 games). Sweet 16? Elite 8? He beat your precious Butler at home by 30. (Which you again predicted a loss) It is getting to the point where it seems you have a personal vendetta against him.
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This guy also claimed when he bet CBB he won 75%-85% of his bets. Sure he did.
 


Stan said:
Rouser, Trevor and Rodney both have kids so I imagine their LOVE for their kids is greater than their HATE for Tubby. Maybe if the Big 3 impregnated someone we'd have a better shot at them.
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Why did I just consider for the first time that John Calipari is probably secretly breeding his next generation of basketball players somewhere?
 

Stan said:
Rouser, Trevor and Rodney both have kids so I imagine their LOVE for their kids is greater than their HATE for Tubby. Maybe if the Big 3 impregnated someone we'd have a better shot at them.
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Hmmmm, I think we need to hook the big 3 up, Jesus Shuttlesworth style :)
 

GophersInIowa said:
Because it helps your argument. So if Indiana had lost today (and assuming Michigan St. will win against NW) you would agree that there were no 1st place teams in the Big Ten this year? Just four teams that finished 4th?
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#low expectations
 

GophersInIowa said:
Because it helps your argument. So if Indiana had lost today (and assuming Michigan St. will win against NW) you would agree that there were no 1st place teams in the Big Ten this year? Just four teams that finished 4th?
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Four teams that tied for 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th. The next team in the standings is 5th.

The next time you finish in a four way tie for 1st, and the tournament pays out the top five finishes, are you going to tell the organizers to keep the 4th place money? What about the 2nd and 3rd place money?
 

station19 said:
Four teams that tied for 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th. The next team in the standings is 5th.

The next time you finish in a four way tie for 1st, and the tournament pays out the top five finishes, are you going to tell the organizers to keep the 4th place money? What about the 2nd and 3rd place money?
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This understanding is far too advanced for Iowa and #1, nevermind when the final rank order was determined via actual criteria for tournament purposes we were place in the 9th slot. We are no more the 7th place team than the 8th or 9th.
 

goldengophers said:
This understanding is far too advanced for Iowa and #1, nevermind when the final rank order was determined via actual criteria for tournament purposes we were place in the 9th slot. We are no more the 7th place team than the 8th or 9th.
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Still tied for 7th though.........seeded 9th. I don't believe they use tie-breakers for standings...just for tournament seeding.
 

station19 said:
Four teams that tied for 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th. The next team in the standings is 5th.

The next time you finish in a four way tie for 1st, and the tournament pays out the top five finishes, are you going to tell the organizers to keep the 4th place money? What about the 2nd and 3rd place money?
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Edit: Responded to wrong one, sorry.
 

station19 said:
Still tied for 7th though.........seeded 9th. I don't believe they use tie-breakers for standings...just for tournament seeding.
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No way, according to him we were tied for 9th in the standings.
 


No personal vendetta's for most GH posters. Just frustration with the past 4 years where our offense is questionable and where players either leave or fail to reach potential. At some point the coach has to be held responsible. I think most people on the GH have been more than patient with Tubby.
 

bleedsmaroonandgold said:
Can we get an "All Things Arguing About Lake City's Team Name" thread going on so that this discussion can be consolidated into one place that I never click on when I am hoping to discuss our coach, our players, or our team?
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Sorry.

The truth about Tubby is that I really wanted him to be the coach who lifted us out of the cellar and brought us up to the top third of the conference on a consistent basis. After watching him misuse Hoffarber and seemingly have no clue about a functional half-court offense, I began to wonder if my hopes were misplaced. I saw promising players leave the program in the middle of the season and I heard Tubby throw blame on players when a season started to go bad. I didn't like the pattern. After watching the same patterns emerge consistently, I simply felt that it was time the AD, Maturi, looked for a change. When Maturi gave the extension, that's when I saw that the problem was bigger than Tubby. We had a systemic failure at the top and a complacent attitude of comfort with mediocrity stemming from the front office. Now that Maturi is gone and Teague is directing affairs, I have a hope that this complacency will end. It is now very clear, and others at the GH are now fully in agreement with me, that Tubby has not matched expectations for success. His self-promoted best team has landed as 9th in the B1G, which is unacceptable for supporters of the program.

Like I've said before, this isn't about hating a person, it's about wanting a quality program for the University of MN. The University made a mistake in extending Tubby's contract. They will now have to eat that contract and look for a new coach to lead the basketball program. Minnesota can do better than 9th place. We have some talent at the High School level and we have a top 20 city in the country to recruit kids to. If we can get a SOA facility for the kids, great, but even if we don't, we can still attract talent that is higher than a 9th place finish in the B1G. It's time for a change. I wish Tubby well wherever he goes as long as he isn't the head coach of the Minnesota Gophers.
 

I wish Tubby well wherever he goes as long as he isn't the head coach of the Minnesota Gophers.[/QUOTE]
 

The mere fact that we have these roller-coaster type seasons spells it all out for me. You are a direct reflection of those that lead you. Tubby is the leader, what we see is at least to an extent a direct reflection of his leadership.

As a consumer, this is a difficult brand to support/follow/love (I still do, but it is really hard), need to make a change.
 

StCroix said:
Coaches like Coack K, Roy Williams, Pitino have done something that Tubby is unwilling to do...evolve with the game. Heck, even the slow show in Wisconsin has been evolving. Simple fact; Tubby has gotten NOTHING out of arguably some of the most athletic players in the conference...Its so obvious these guys have quit on him. The IU win was for the seniors...with a player only meeting before the game. If Tubby stays, we have no shot at any of the Big 3 and potentially have others transfer. I would say Norwood has a pretty easy job firing the underachiever.
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We recruit good athletes. Wisconsin recruits good basketball players.
 

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