The Truth about tubby take 2

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playa, how are the assistants? Saul gets ripped a lot, he any good? Vince, Jirsa?
 

GopherPlaya said:
Haha I can tell you this my good man I don't know about the Uk players but none of the gopher players like him. Its all political as a player you can not just come out and say I dont like tubby. He has you by the balls while you are in school and after school you want to be able to get jobs, connections etc... you think Spencer likes him hell no! but he does not speak up because it would probably have stop him from getting the job he has now. Thats all here nor there so its really whatever just part of the business.
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I just know multiple times he has been in NBA locker rooms when Jodie has come here and Chuck Hayes and TayShaun and that he meets with them whenever he can. He was at the Wolves-Lakers game to watch Jodie play.
 

GopherPlaya said:
If you really want to know something just ask and I will answer to the best of my ability.
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Hmmmmmm. Based on a couple of your comments, you made reference to "blue pill or red pill". Which is the cure all? Which do you prefer?
 

Go4 said:
playa, how are the assistants? Saul gets ripped a lot, he any good? Vince, Jirsa?
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The assistants are pretty much non existent. I have sat behind the bench at games and watched tubby rip into them as if they were players. Curse them out etc... There is not much they can do tubby is tubby and its his show so they just have to deal with it and do the best they can with out stepping on his toes. Which is pretty much nothing just watch the game like a causal fan would its sad but true.
 


The only part I disagree with is that his current players hate him.
 

Dr.Don said:
Hmmmmmm. Based on a couple of your comments, you made reference to "blue pill or red pill". Which is the cure all? Which do you prefer?
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The red pill my game man if you want to know the real and honest truth about gopher basketball. The blue pill if you want to go back to being a causal fan, But! just know that once you take the red pill you are never going back to being a causal fan again HA! HA! HA! :)... until tubby is gone that is...
 

It looks like you responded to my best before I added this so I wanted to post/ask it again:

Agree that he does seem to be a confidence killer. And I get guys don't want to play for a coach that's "old school" but Coach K has been around for a long time, I've gotta believe he is "old school", I mean what does Tubby do differently than someone like Coach K, Frank Martin, and other guys who yell and could be old school? NBA coaches I'd imagine are tough. Bill Belichek is a known "old school" football coach. What is so bad that Tubby is doing compared to these guys? I notice the same trends you talk about and I just don't understand why exactly

Also, I just can't believe Tubby is some horrible human being or awful coach. He did win a title, not an easy regardless of who recruited the players.

I do think whatever he is doing at MN is not working and his style had not been accepted here. It is just perplexing how the same players and coaches can be #8 in the country and then plummet. Tubby had to have some idea how to coach them and then must change something?
 

And I get guys don't want to play for a coach that's "old school" but Coach K has been around for a long time, I've gotta believe he is "old school"
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The big difference is that coach K wins and his team score points!
 



GopherPlaya said:
The red pill my game man if you want to know the real and honest truth about gopher basketball. The blue pill if you want to go back to being a causal fan, But! just know that once you take the red pill you are never going back to being a causal fan again HA! HA! HA! :)... until tubby is gone that is...
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Is he literally beating them or what? Lots of coaches yell and scream. As I said, whatever he is doing here isn't working, but just yelling a lot can't be the only issue ...
 

Johnnyboy18 said:
The only part I disagree with is that his current players hate him.
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Ok I would say more like they don't like his coaching style and philosophy or the way he treats and talks to them. Think about it why would they bring in a shrink? It is because he is so negative to the players they have to do something to get mentally leveled again. He does it every year, the players go into the same funk... and he goes on rants "well we couldnt do this, we couldnt do that, I guess its my fault for not getting them ready, I guess its my fault for not preparing them right." Are people not sick of it yet I mean its so obvious but yet its so hard to believe which is why I can understand the causal fans being in such disbelief.
 





GopherPlaya said:
Facts He is the worse big ten coach in the league considering talent he has had and his record.
All is players hate him current and former
He does not develop players for instant take a look at some freshman film of rodney and look at him now
He is a confidence killer which is why his players dont make alot of outside shots they are scared to take the shots
He blames everything on the players and is super arrogant
he is stuck in his ways which will not will these days
Last but not least it is time for him to go and the sooner he leaves the better of we will be and trust me I know I have been around the program closely...
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I agree with most everything you're saying and you very well could be someone connected or close to the program but I'm going to take it all with a grain of salt as anyone could come on here claiming that. Don't take it personally.

I've got to believe at least most of what you're saying is true to some extent though. Most anyone can see that.
 

GopherPlaya said:
Ok I would say more like they don't like his coaching style and philosophy or the way he treats and talks to them. Think about it why would they bring in a shrink? It is because he is so negative to the players they have to do something to get mentally leveled again. He does it every year, the players go into the same funk... and he goes on rants "well we couldnt do this, we couldnt do that, I guess its my fault for not getting them ready, I guess its my fault for not preparing them right." Are people not sick of it yet I mean its so obvious but yet its so hard to believe which is why I can understand the causal fans being in such disbelief.
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Bill Self threw his PGs under the bus too and KU still wins. Is it just way more often and intense with Tubby?
 

scher215 said:
Is he literally beating them or what? Lots of coaches yell and scream. As I said, whatever he is doing here isn't working, but just yelling a lot can't be the only issue ...
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Yelling and screaming is not a problem... Its the way he tears them down and breaks them down. Im sure they can handle yelling and screaming but mental abuse is tough to over come in something that is as mental as basketball which has alot to do with confidence. Tubby takes away there confidence.
 

GopherPlaya said:
The red pill my game man if you want to know the real and honest truth about gopher basketball. The blue pill if you want to go back to being a causal fan, But! just know that once you take the red pill you are never going back to being a causal fan again HA! HA! HA! :)... until tubby is gone that is...
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Morpheus, is that you?
 

This grammar police BS is a weak way to discredit the poster. If that's all you got don't bother. It is interesting to hear opinions on what former players think of him. I never hear any praise or defending of Tubby from players. Guess that doesn't mean it hasn't happened but it sure seems silent.
 

GophersInIowa said:
I agree with most everything you're saying and you very well could be someone connected or close to the program but I'm going to take it all with a grain of salt as anyone could come on here claiming that. Don't take it personally.

I've got to believe at least most of what you're saying is true to some extent though. Most anyone can see that.
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O I totally understand I would be a little skeptical as well...But the more I post the more you will start to believe...
 

scher215 said:
I'm saying though, if they are both "old school" why does k's teams win and Tubby's don't?
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Because coach K actually knows what he's doing! Have you watched a Tubby Smith coached team. They're terribly unprepared, have no offensive flow, sub patterns!?!, etc...

Tubby just doesn't have it and he need to go.
 


GopherPlaya said:
Yelling and screaming is not a problem... Its the way he tears them down and breaks them down. Im sure they can handle yelling and screaming but mental abuse is tough to over come in something that is as mental as basketball which has alot to do with confidence. Tubby takes away there confidence.
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Got it. I definitley know the importance of confidence in basketball and you can see our guys have none. And you can't tell me every player is just "mentally weak" would think it does have something to do with Tubby.

Just still doesn't register with me how it worked to some extent at UK (title, undefeated SEC, etc. ), Tulsa, Georgia. was his talent just better there or have things changed in his coaching or mental make up of players? I mean it would seem something is different here. We had no freshman playing significant minutes this year so the guys had experience with Tubby and they were eighth in the country. What changed? Or does it just breakdown over time? Does he build up at the start of the year and tear them down consistently through the season?
 

Blackhammer said:
This grammar police BS is a weak way to discredit the poster. If that's all you got don't bother. It is interesting to hear opinions on what former players think of him. I never hear any praise or defending of Tubby from players. Guess that doesn't mean it hasn't happened but it sure seems silent.
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Its because former players can not publicly come out and bash tubby. You know its like working for a company that treated you like *&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!#. They all still have aspirations of playing professional etc... So they have to turn the other cheek and be professional them selves or else it would look bad to bash your former coach who is this hall of fame guy and has alot of connections. If you can get my drift you still have to market yourself the right way and professionally. OOOOo but trust if they could I know alot of them would have alot to say about thee ol tubbster and they would not be good things trust me on this.
 

Johnnyboy18 said:
Are you related to anyone on the team?
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Like I said before I could brush tubby's teeth if I had to hahahaha matter a fact im the one who died his hair back when it was black, I even shaved his mustache after they lost. Seriously I am pretty close to the Program been round before tubby time.
 

GopherPlaya said:
Why thank you! But I think that they should get rid of tubby as soon as possible. I feel like flip has been showing his face around and talking about coaching, even tweeting about the game as a sign to show he is interested. I bet even he knows that tubby needs to go and why the players are playing like they are. Of course he cannot say anything or comment about it but he knows. If the gophers were to reach out to flip why would he not come? Then I feel like tyus and the rest of the big name recruits would follow simply because they want to stay home I am sure. What kid doesnt want to be the hometown hero. Also flip has NBA experience and knows what it takes and would be able to guide tyus and other players in the right direction the correct way for those who have NBA aspirations.
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I certainly think the U is ready for the change, but it has to be a very carefully thought out one. Flip is an option, but I don't know who else that's really good is. I don't see Shaka coming here. I just don't want another Mason/Brewster experiment...but Teague is no Maturi, and I would trust him with a good hire.

Have you talked to Tyus, Rashad and Reid...do you think if we bring in Flip or another big name, they're willing to pass up on schools like UK, UNC, MSU, Duke, etc?

GopherGold said:
*well, let's look past the grammar here for a second, buddy boy. I'm no writing a senior paper here, for goodness sake. Just take in what I said, if you can do that. It makes sense. I have some valid points.

You make great valid points, but for some of us, it is really hard to look past the grammar and spelling errors. I hope your name isn't true, because it makes me sad about player education in both HS and college.
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I can understand every point he's making. Would you guys rather get insider basketball info, or perfect grammar and spelling. If it's the latter, go read a novel.

Dr.Don said:
GL, I was not saying that I am a Tubby backer, as I, among others, have lost a lot of confidence in him. My only reference was to the anonymity of the OP which appeared to me to be a series of one sided complaints. If GopherPlaya has some "inside" insights, I would appreciate more in-depth input from him.
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Here's the thing, any insider doesn't give up who they are, or their sources. People always came at me with that...if I gave up my sources, I wouldn't have them. So, you just need to believe or not. I do believe this info.
 

scher215 said:
Got it. I definitley know the importance of confidence in basketball and you can see our guys have none. And you can't tell me every player is just "mentally weak" would think it does have something to do with Tubby.

Just still doesn't register with me how it worked to some extent at UK (title, undefeated SEC, etc. ), Tulsa, Georgia. was his talent just better there or have things changed in his coaching or mental make up of players? I mean it would seem something is different here. We had no freshman playing significant minutes this year so the guys had experience with Tubby and they were eighth in the country. What changed? Or does it just breakdown over time? Does he build up at the start of the year and tear them down consistently through the season?
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UK had all americans dying to play for them just knocking at their front door every year. They won off talent alone and even then they should and could have been much better thats why tubby was fired. I mean sure he has whatever amount of sec titles but how hard would it be to win a title in the sec if your coaching at kentucky?
 

GopherPlaya-thanks for your contributions

2 Questions if you have the time

1. Tubby often screams at players (especially when the ball is on the wing) to SWING IT or MOVE THE BALL! A lot of times the guy on the wing doesn't have a pass to make because there is not a strong post up and the defender is overplaying the pas back to the top of the key. It seems to me like the wing players often get nervous and make a mistake as this point because they feel like Tubby only wants them to pass the ball and thus, feel like they can't drive or shoot. The guy on the wing then tries to force a pass which results in a turnover. Has it been your experience that guys play "scared" for a lack of a better word in the half court offense?

2. I have heard from several sources that Tubby doesn't work as hard as his peers do, specifically regarding the time and effort spent on the recruiting trail. Does this carry over to practice? Do guys feel like Tubby is willing to do anything/everything to win or that he's just in it to collect a paycheck at this point?
 

Thanks

GopherLady said:
I certainly think the U is ready for the change, but it has to be a very carefully thought out one. Flip is an option, but I don't know who else that's really good is. I don't see Shaka coming here. I just don't want another Mason/Brewster experiment...but Teague is no Maturi, and I would trust him with a good hire.

Have you talked to Tyus, Rashad and Reid...do you think if we bring in Flip or another big name, they're willing to pass up on schools like UK, UNC, MSU, Duke, etc?



I can understand every point he's making. Would you guys rather get insider basketball info, or perfect grammar and spelling. If it's the latter, go read a novel.



Here's the thing, any insider doesn't give up who they are, or their sources. People always came at me with that...if I gave up my sources, I wouldn't have them. So, you just need to believe or not. I do believe this info.
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Thank you for your input GL. You are a trusted source IMHO.
 

These are good posts by GophPlaya. Unfortunately I believe him. There are few bigger supporters than me. But I am results oriented and don't see results. Our offensive is terrible, the players aren't engaged to the level they should be, and recruiting is not okay. I don't see things getting better. I believe Tubby is a good person and it is sad, but we need a change.
 

Dr.Don said:
GL, I was not saying that I am a Tubby backer, as I, among others, have lost a lot of confidence in him. My only reference was to the anonymity of the OP which appeared to me to be a series of one sided complaints. If GopherPlaya has some "inside" insights, I would appreciate more in-depth input from him.
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Ezakly...like who playas want as coach...which playas leave if Tubby stay...that kinda stuff.
 

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