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MNVCGUY said:
You said and I quote...."If we would just stop paying people to stay home this would all self resolve in less than a week. Who at the U would not return to work if not being paid? Profs, football players, coaches, university president?"

Please explain your first line and I will quote it again for you. "If we would just stop paying people to stay at home this would all self resolve in less than a week."

I am honestly curious to see what method you take. So we take away unemployment and force everyone to return to work and wala it is all back to normal? You are so all over the place in these threads it is impossible to tell what the hell you are talking about most of the time.

Your second sentence about who would not return to work if not being paid is just stupid and not even worth the time to respond to

I have given up hope of Gopherhole doing anything to remove your toxic thread takeover behavior from the board so let's all sit back and see where your next 100 posts in this thread take us. Sure it will be just as entertaining and off the rails as your previous thread takeovers.
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If we stop paying people to stay at home they will return to work. Some will get this flu, some will not. Either way, life goes on. Herd amunity is establish. Like with any flu, some small percent of workers will die, but that will be true whenever they return to work now or three months from now, or, as you would prefer, return to work after the election. I'm for the Swedish plan. Let adults make adult decisions.

But, in all cases, don't let me posting stop you from posting or whinning or whatever. I don't need you banned at all.
 



Gophersince72 said:
The OP was "Start Up Spring Practice Now." We are currently in the month of April. To say we should, shouldn't, will or won't have practice in August is an entirely different conversation. The fact that the total death rate in NYC has fallen the last 10 days is fabulous news, but it's an entirely different conversation from the fact that total deaths here up hundreds of % in March and early April (see the graph in post #40). Both can be true.
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Yes and from 1 to 4 is 400%. Big deal, up 400%. No one under age 65 without a pre existing conditions has died is a better guide. That is 0%.
 

short ornery norwegian said:
Veritas' new thing is railing against "people being paid to stay home."

I'm old, so I remember when they had a different name for it - Unemployment.

Veritas also thinks that people who go to food banks are "lining up for free food."

and BTW, I work in what is considered an 'essential' job, so I go to work everyday. Also, because the owner of my company applied for and received funding through the Payroll Protection program, I am not allowed to file for unemployment. that is a stipulation of the program - if you take PPP funds, you cannot lay off employees, because the whole purpose of the fund is to allow companies to keep their employees on payroll.
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UI should be a total of six weeks only and such unemployment should not be ordered by the government at all. Just let adults make rational decisions without the government paying them to make decisions they would not otherwise make. Yes, paying people to quit is stupid.
 






GophersInIowa said:
We're talking about spring practice right now, not the season in the fall. Spring ball is not worth the risk at this time. Yes the players have very low risk of complications from Covid. But they can pass it along to each other and then players can bring it home with them to a family member or someone else. It's just an unnecessary activity at this point.
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You can't freeze the economy until there is no danger to the frail. The unintended consequences are absolutely enormous, beyond calculation, there is already so much death and mayhem built into this optional depression, the COVID19 deaths are already a tiny statistic in comparison to the crushed hopes, suicides, lost livelihoods, delayed elective surgeries. Our political leaders know this and are already trying to figure out a way to walk this back without suffering fatal career shame.
 

GoldenRodents said:
You can't freeze the economy until there is no danger to the frail. The unintended consequences are absolutely enormous, beyond calculation, there is already so much death and mayhem built into this optional depression, the COVID19 deaths are already a tiny statistic in comparison to the crushed hopes, suicides, lost livelihoods, delayed elective surgeries. Our political leaders know this and are already trying to figure out a way to walk this back without suffering fatal career shame.
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Well that is good because that is not what anyone is doing ....
 

GoldenRodents said:
You can't freeze the economy until there is no danger to the frail. The unintended consequences are absolutely enormous, beyond calculation, there is already so much death and mayhem built into this optional depression, the COVID19 deaths are already a tiny statistic in comparison to the crushed hopes, suicides, lost livelihoods, delayed elective surgeries. Our political leaders know this and are already trying to figure out a way to walk this back without suffering fatal career shame.
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How many people have died from delayed elective surgeries?
My buddy who has put off his knee surgery is still alive.
 



GoldenRodents said:
You can't freeze the economy until there is no danger to the frail. The unintended consequences are absolutely enormous, beyond calculation, there is already so much death and mayhem built into this optional depression, the COVID19 deaths are already a tiny statistic in comparison to the crushed hopes, suicides, lost livelihoods, delayed elective surgeries. Our political leaders know this and are already trying to figure out a way to walk this back without suffering fatal career shame.
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I didn't say otherwise. Not holding spring practice will not affect the economy. If we're going to start opening things up, it should be for necessary activities that help the economy.
 
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GoldenRodents said:
You can't freeze the economy until there is no danger to the frail. The unintended consequences are absolutely enormous, beyond calculation, there is already so much death and mayhem built into this optional depression, the COVID19 deaths are already a tiny statistic in comparison to the crushed hopes, suicides, lost livelihoods, delayed elective surgeries. Our political leaders know this and are already trying to figure out a way to walk this back without suffering fatal career shame.
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“delayed elective surgeries”. Those are freaking elective. Trying exercising before getting the bariatric surgery.
 


Veritas said:
Personally, I see each day as making a delay less and less likely. Go Gophers!!
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We'll see. It's 50/50 at best for me that it starts back up in August. There would need to be some pretty tight controls, like having them essentially quarantined as a group including all coaches and any support staff.
 

GoldenRodents said:
Aircraft carriers, pork plants, subways...all indicate rapid and broadbased infection with small death rate...It moves faster than typical flu, but is no more deadly per infection. QUARANTINE THE WEAK, NOT THE STRONG
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I hear that's the Sweden model
 


GoldenRodents said:
Aircraft carriers, pork plants, subways...all indicate rapid and broadbased infection with small death rate...It moves faster than typical flu, but is no more deadly per infection. QUARANTINE THE WEAK, NOT THE STRONG
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Source please...
 


A question for the "Let the season start on time!" folks...

In your minds, WHO gets to make the final decision on when the season starts?

I'm really curious to hear your answers.
 


skiumah1 said:
I hear that's the Sweden model
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Sweden is progressing to herd immunity very quickly at a higher death rate in the short term. They will win in the long term. Shelter the weak and put the young and healthy back to work improving the lives of themselves and their generation. Let college football lead the way!
 

RememberMurray said:
A question for the "Let the season start on time!" folks...

In your minds, WHO gets to make the final decision on when the season starts?

I'm really curious to hear your answers.
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The authorities know they have made an enormous strategic error of catastrophic consequences, they will try to walk this back at minimum embarrassment to themselves. Replay Dr. Birx this afternoon at Trump's briefing. She is freaked out, she knows the virus is not deadly enough to the general population to support these draconion tactics. She is not an economist she has know clue what this will do to the national and world economy and what a shitstorm is already unleashed. Trump knows too. Watch these guys closely.
 

Does President Trump make the call on when football season starts?

Does the NCAA decide?

Does the B1G decide when the B1G teams play?

What if the powers that be in the B1G disagree with the muckety-mucks at NCAA headquarters. Could the B1G possibly decide not to follow any NCAA guidance on this?

Or, what if officials at the U vehemently disagree with B1G policy on safety issues. What if, say, lawyers for the U advise school officials to defy the NCAA or the B1G, for fear of lawsuits. What happens then?
 
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PMWinSTP said:
We'll see. It's 50/50 at best for me that it starts back up in August. There would need to be some pretty tight controls, like having them essentially quarantined as a group including all coaches and any support staff.
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COVID19 is too contagious to confine by these tactics, but yeah sure. If a player gets sick he should quarantine, but you have a lot of players right now who are asymptomatic. The vast majority of college students have adequate immune systems. People with co-morbitities have a lot to worry about and should continue to be very careful: Masks, avoid crowds, etc. The young should avoid their grandparents until therapies improve. But we must move our economy, culture, families and young people forward with productive work ASAP. The alternative is heaping loads of death in a multitude of ways.
 


GoldenRodents said:
COVID19 is too contagious to confine by these tactics, but yeah sure. If a player gets sick he should quarantine, but you have a lot of players right now who are asymptomatic. The vast majority of college students have adequate immune systems. People with co-morbitities have a lot to worry about and should continue to be very careful: Masks, avoid crowds, etc. The young should avoid their grandparents until therapies improve. But we must move our economy, culture, families and young people forward with productive work ASAP. The alternative is heaping loads of death in a multitude of ways.
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A lot of support staff who are not healthy college students with no underlying conditions. This infection rate is much higher than the flu...my point that it is 50/50 at best.
 

RememberMurray said:
A question for the "Let the season start on time!" folks...

In your minds, WHO gets to make the final decision on when the season starts?

I'm really curious to hear your answers.
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Well this doesnt really answer your question, but consider this.... 38,000 people die in traffic deaths every year and another 4.4 million get injured and the government still allows cars on the road knowing these death stats.... why is covid any different?

More than 38,000 people die every year in crashes on U.S. roadways. The U.S. traffic fatality rate is 12.4 deaths per 100,000 inhabitants. An additional 4.4 million are injured seriously enough to require medical attention. Road crashes are the leading cause of death in the U.S. for people aged 1-54.
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so what is the objective here??? I think its something other than what we are being told, but I'm not going to go into that here.

Sweden did it right!
 

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