Start up Spring Practice now

[MplsGopher]

My biggest worry for classes is that if we still have the recommendation for gatherings of 50 or less people, or whatever it may be, it'll be hard to justify having lectures of 200+ students. The same goes for football practice, though this could be avoided by having separate practices for each position group for the time being.

For big lectures, you stay virtual. Those are like bio 101 type classes anyway. Do the main lecture virtual, then smaller discussion sections and labs are in person. Campus open and students on. Rec center open, but limit capacity as needed. Same with library and Coffman. And so on. Try to give it as much of the feeling as real on campus school as you can. That's what they're paying big bucks for. Not for virtual school from their pj's at home.

 

[fair]

For big lectures, you stay virtual. Those are like bio 101 type classes anyway. Do the main lecture virtual, then smaller discussion sections and labs are in person. Campus open and students on. Rec center open, but limit capacity as needed. Same with library and Coffman. And so on. Try to give it as much of the feeling as real on campus school as you can. That's what they're paying big bucks for. Not for virtual school from their pj's at home.

I'm going into my senior year, so I know the bolded all too well. I know a lot of people who are strongly considering taking a semester off and working instead of grinding through another online semester. I like all of your ideas though, and I hope the U takes a similar approach.

 

[Veritas]

This is possible.

Almost every campus wants to be open in the fall, I'm certain of that. But it's a matter of doing it, and having the permission of state and local government to do it, where applicable.

And that will be hard to do? Harvard is open, we can not be open?

 

[kisarazu]

Where are the front page articles on the age group mortality?

This was easy to find on google a week ago, Now I'm only getting graphs that list ages 17-44.

The reality is there are practically no deaths under 30, the 30-40 range begins the toll of those who have co-morbitities.

80% of Minnesota deaths have been in nursing homes. Where is that headline?

The data isn't being hidden. Medical professionals and journalists have different goals.

The first group wants to be precautionary with the data on a virus we don't understand. This is why they point to potential positives but highlight potential negatives. It's not a scare tactic. It's due diligence.

The second group wants to get as many eyes as possible on their work, voice their opinion, and get an applause from their base. This is cynical take, but a 0.065% chance of mortality doesn't sell as much as showing that young people do die.

 

[PhillyGopher]

And that will be hard to do? Harvard is open, we can not be open?

When did Harvard open?

 

[Veritas]

When did Harvard open?

Today they announced that the campus would be open for fall.

 

[PhillyGopher]

Today they announced that the campus would be open for fall.

Oh I'm sorry - I thought you said "Harvard is open"

 

[WAGopher]

Where are the front page articles on the age group mortality?

This was easy to find on google a week ago, Now I'm only getting graphs that list ages 17-44.

The reality is there are practically no deaths under 30, the 30-40 range begins the toll of those who have co-morbitities.

80% of Minnesota deaths have been in nursing homes. Where is that headline?

The CDC upates the statistics daily and weekly depending on type of data:
By infections (daily):
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html
By deaths (daily):
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/COVID19/
By state and race (weekly):
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/

And yes, most of us know that the older and/or more unhealthy you are, the more likely you are to become very sick and may die. There are many articles on nursing home deaths and they are easy to find. If you think there should be more updates about them, you can always call your newspaper or other news outlet.

 

[MNVCGUY]

Today they announced that the campus would be open for fall.

They also put a lot of caveats on it. So it isn't exactly business as usual or a guarantee that things will be back to normal in the fall. I would expect to see a lot of other colleges follow suit with similar plans.

Although you have been real quick to say a bunch of us don't want things to return to normal due to our political motivations, it is good to see signs of things returning to some semblance of normal.

 

[MplsGopher]

Harvard is open, we can not be open?

Well for one thing, Harvard is private. And in the northeast, the major private schools are very, very old and have a lot of clout built up in the state government.

U of Minn obviously have some clout in the Minn government, but hardly gets to dictate things, and relies on the state for a good chunk of its funding.

 

[GoldenRodents]

I'm going into my senior year, so I know the bolded all too well. I know a lot of people who are strongly considering taking a semester off and working instead of grinding through another online semester. I like all of your ideas though, and I hope the U takes a similar approach.

College students are being completely ripped off by the biggest clusterfuck since the Iraq war. Spending trillions of dollars to protect the extreme aged and immune compromised is more stupid and wasteful than the Vietnam war.

They should have spent the money protecting nursing homes, not shutting down schools and universities whose students have suffered fewer deaths from COVID than a typical flu season.

 

[Deleted_User]

SARS-CoV-2 attacks the alveolar sacs by penetrating pneumocytes of the lung in the alveolar sacs, where gas exchange occurs. It does this in asymptomatic and symptomatic patients. That is where the virus replicates and survives. The attacked pneumocytes die or are severely damaged. At this point if things go okay, the patient can recover. But, here is what else happens. Type 1 pneumocytes, those that are exposed to lung gases, get destroyed and are then replaced by Type 2 pneumocytes, those that normally are underneath Type 1. They cannot fulfill the role of T1P. Then, because of the invasive nature of SARS virus, lymphocytes invade the alveolar sack, filling it with lymphatic pus. They will kill off the Type 1 cells that have virus. These are the cells that do gas exchange. Everybody will end up with some type of reduced gas exchange at the end of this disease. But, the job of Type 2 is to regenerate and differentiate into Type 1 cells upon their death. So, there is that. But, in this disease, the regeneration of Type 1 cells can be blocked by the development of fibrosis, which means those nice little Type 2s will not be able to complete their mission. And, when that happens to that alveoli, game over for that spot on the lung to recover. That spot is now gone for the duration and no more gas exchange at that location.

The sequelae of the disease, or after the disease is either flu like symptoms, pneumonia, acute respiratory distress syndrome (really bad news), the diffuse alveolar damage (see above but in a grand scale), hypoperfusion of organs (lack of blood supply), which leads to multi systemic organ failure.

The key after disease onset is DAD, which is not fully understood why this coronavirus can show with DAD in asymptomatic (no shown symptom) patients.

But, here we are discussing opening training camp. We all want to see more glory from this years squad. We desire to see spring football, summer camps, fall games, winter bowl (NC game, of course!).

And, I want to see no DAD in our team. I am not sure how to ensure that happens. Do we social distance? Do we test and isolate the team from society during camp? Do we test every kitchen worker, team trainer, coach, administrator, delivery guy, janitor that comes in contact with the team to ensure that none of the team member has the side effect of DAD? I don't know. That is a decision above my pay grade. What I do know, is this is not a disease I want to have. I don't wish it upon anybody, young or old. DAD can and is occuring in the young to some degree in all cases. Most are very limited. But, some, are noticeably worse in young people. I don't have the numbers. This is an area of Covid-19 where we won't know for a while what are the numbers.

This search for numbers will open up society. It was just yesterday that a national plan for testing was approved. We are still working out the supply chain, getting testing to be more reliable, and for it to be widely available.

I will not be responding to posts. Argue among yourselves.

 

[Veritas]

Well for one thing, Harvard is private. And in the northeast, the major private schools are very, very old and have a lot of clout built up in the state government.

U of Minn obviously have some clout in the Minn government, but hardly gets to dictate things, and relies on the state for a good chunk of its funding.

Which university has more clout in this nation as to what is wise or what is not wise than does Harvard? The reopen train is running down the track and gainning more and more speed by the day as it becomes clearer by the day that this virus is not as dangerous to the young as you and many others said it was early on. There is just no reason anymore to be pessimistic about having football in the fall.

 

[MplsGopher]

SARS-CoV-2 attacks the alveolar sacs by penetrating pneumocytes of the lung in the alveolar sacs, where gas exchange occurs. It does this in asymptomatic and symptomatic patients. That is where the virus replicates and survives. The attacked pneumocytes die or are severely damaged. At this point if things go okay, the patient can recover. But, here is what else happens. Type 1 pneumocytes, those that are exposed to lung gases, get destroyed and are then replaced by Type 2 pneumocytes, those that normally are underneath Type 1. They cannot fulfill the role of T1P. Then, because of the invasive nature of SARS virus, lymphocytes invade the alveolar sack, filling it with lymphatic pus. They will kill off the Type 1 cells that have virus. These are the cells that do gas exchange. Everybody will end up with some type of reduced gas exchange at the end of this disease. But, the job of Type 2 is to regenerate and differentiate into Type 1 cells upon their death. So, there is that. But, in this disease, the regeneration of Type 1 cells can be blocked by the development of fibrosis, which means those nice little Type 2s will not be able to complete their mission. And, when that happens to that alveoli, game over for that spot on the lung to recover. That spot is now gone for the duration and no more gas exchange at that location.

The sequelae of the disease, or after the disease is either flu like symptoms, pneumonia, acute respiratory distress syndrome (really bad news), the diffuse alveolar damage (see above but in a grand scale), hypoperfusion of organs (lack of blood supply), which leads to multi systemic organ failure.

The key after disease onset is DAD, which is not fully understood why this coronavirus can show with DAD in asymptomatic (no shown symptom) patients.

But, here we are discussing opening training camp. We all want to see more glory from this years squad. We desire to see spring football, summer camps, fall games, winter bowl (NC game, of course!).

And, I want to see no DAD in our team. I am not sure how to ensure that happens. Do we social distance? Do we test and isolate the team from society during camp? Do we test every kitchen worker, team trainer, coach, administrator, delivery guy, janitor that comes in contact with the team to ensure that none of the team member has the side effect of DAD? I don't know. That is a decision above my pay grade. What I do know, is this is not a disease I want to have. I don't wish it upon anybody, young or old. DAD can and is occuring in the young to some degree in all cases. Most are very limited. But, some, are noticeably worse in young people. I don't have the numbers. This is an area of Covid-19 where we won't know for a while what are the numbers.

This search for numbers will open up society. It was just yesterday that a national plan for testing was approved. We are still working out the supply chain, getting testing to be more reliable, and for it to be widely available.

I will not be responding to posts. Argue among yourselves.

The other scary thing is the strokes.

Somehow, some people respond to this with excessive blood clots. I have no idea why that makes any sense, we just know anecdotally that’s it’s happening to some percentage of the infected.

 

[hungan1]

The other scary thing is the strokes.

Somehow, some people respond to this with excessive blood clots. I have no idea why that makes any sense, we just know anecdotally that’s it’s happening to some percentage of the infected.

I saw that on TV about a guy physically fit in his thirties getting stroke from plague build up in the lungs.

Some physicians are espousing giving anti coagulants to COVID19 patients.

 

[hungan1]

In regards on whether football is going to be back IMHO depends a lot on the progression of COVID19. We are on COVID19's clock. We will learn about proper countermeasures and precautions. Leaders will listen to people like Dr. Osterholm.

Minimize the athletes' and staff's contact footprint by partial isolation except for class and practices. Constantly washing the hands. There are lots to think about.

There are a lot of smart people at the U who will figure out how to open the campus safely. Maybe some of the classes are going to be taught both online and in class depending on the subjects. Some require labs, etc...

They may bring all the athletes and keep them semi-isolation from the general student population as much as possible. They can all be tested and monitored for COVID19. No one is allowed in the training facility except athletes, coaches, support staff, etc... All the athletes will constantly wash their hands. All the gym equipment will be thoroughly cleaned continuously. Maybe even using UV light decontamination equipment or ozone generators to decontaminate the athletic complex when people are removed for cleaning and decontamination, etc...

People who are sick or who have a fever are not allowed to practice and spread their illness and will have to go back to their dorm. Athletes and staff that are vulnerable will be closely monitored and limit physical contact.

Put some strict requirements about going out and socializing.

The point is - we are learning as we go along.

I am just kicking things around. My point is people will be smart about it and take the extra steps necessary for sports and on campus classes to return.

There are many reasons and there are lots at stake. But, people will do the right things and think it through.

We are in uncharted territory as if a sci-fi horror movie became reality overnight. We are just not turning into zombies yet.

Humankind has been struck another blow. There will be more deaths until a vaccine or some forms of effective treatments are developed. This tragedy that we are in just point to the need for humankind to get together for the common good or face possibly extinction like the dinosaurs. Who is to say that it really was a meteorite that brought them to extinction? Could it be that an ancient cousin of the coronavirus be in part the culprit?

We share a common humanity. The people in Brazil deforesting the Amazon forest are affecting all corners of the globe. Twenty percent of the earth's oxygen that we breath is produced by the Amazon forest.

I have gone all over the map here.

My point is that the Big Ten and other conferences as well as universities are in uncharted territory. Who would have thought that over 4 million people are unemployed?

Be patient and hope for the best. Personally, there is more at stake than sports.

 

[kisarazu]

In regards on whether football is going to be back IMHO depends a lot on the progression of COVID19. We are on COVID19's clock. We will learn about proper countermeasures and precautions. Leaders will listen to people like Dr. Osterholm.

Minimize the athletes' and staff's contact footprint by partial isolation except for class and practices. Constantly washing the hands. There are lots to think about.

There are a lot of smart people at the U who will figure out how to open the campus safely. Maybe some of the classes are going to be taught both online and in class depending on the subjects. Some require labs, etc...

They may bring all the athletes and keep them semi-isolation from the general student population as much as possible. They can all be tested and monitored for COVID19. No one is allowed in the training facility except athletes, coaches, support staff, etc... All the athletes will constantly wash their hands. All the gym equipment will be thoroughly cleaned continuously. Maybe even using UV light decontamination equipment or ozone generators to decontaminate the athletic complex when people are removed for cleaning and decontamination, etc...

People who are sick or who have a fever are not allowed to practice and spread their illness and will have to go back to their dorm. Athletes and staff that are vulnerable will be closely monitored and limit physical contact.

Put some strict requirements about going out and socializing.

The point is - we are learning as we go along.

I am just kicking things around. My point is people will be smart about it and take the extra steps necessary for sports and on campus classes to return.

There are many reasons and there are lots at stake. But, people will do the right things and think it through.

We are in uncharted territory if a sci-fi horror movie became reality overnight. We are just not turning into zombies yet.

Humankind has been struck another blow. There will be more deaths until a vaccine or some forms of effective treatments are developed. This tragedy that we are in just point to the need for humankind to get together for the common good or face possibly extinction like the dinosaurs. Who is to say that it really was a meteorite that brought them to extinction? Could it be that an ancient cousin of the coronavirus be in part the culprit?

We share a common humanity. The people in Brazil deforesting the Amazon forest are affecting all corners of the globe. Twenty percent of the earth's oxygen that we breath is produced by the Amazon forest.

I have gone all over the map here.

My point is that the Big Ten and other conferences as well as universities are in uncharted territory. Who would have thought that over 4 million people are unemployed?

Be patient and hope for the best. Personally, there is more at stake than sports.

That's a common misconception.

"Shanan Peters, a University of Wisconsin-Madison geologist, told the Atlantic that even if every living thing on Earth other than humans burned up, oxygen levels would fall from 20.9% to 20.4%. And according to Denning, it would take millions of years to meaningfully deplete the globe’s oxygen supply."

Having said that, I'd prefer we don't deforest, thanks. =-)

 

[MplsGopher]

That's a common misconception.

"Shanan Peters, a University of Wisconsin-Madison geologist, told the Atlantic that even if every living thing on Earth other than humans burned up, oxygen levels would fall from 20.9% to 20.4%. And according to Denning, it would take millions of years to meaningfully deplete the globe’s oxygen supply."

Having said that, I'd prefer we don't deforest, thanks. =-)

But that might not be what it actually is referring to.

Plants do produce oxygen (and remove carbon). So maybe what the statement is saying is that, of the oxygen produced by plants in the world, the Amazon alone is responsible for 20% of that.

 

[MplsGopher]

College students are being completely ripped off by the biggest clusterfuck since the Iraq war. Spending trillions of dollars to protect the extreme aged and immune compromised is more stupid and wasteful than the Vietnam war.

They should have spent the money protecting nursing homes, not shutting down schools and universities whose students have suffered fewer deaths from COVID than a typical flu season.

This is as absurd and silly of a take as I've seen on the subject, other than conspiracy theories.

You are as wrong as it gets, and I doubt anyone will change your mind.

 

[GoldenRodents]

This is as absurd and silly of a take as I've seen on the subject, other than conspiracy theories.

You are as wrong as it gets, and I doubt anyone will change your mind.

I wish this weren't happening, but COVID19 is highly infectious and kills only the immune compromised. Look at the numbers not the anecdotes. 1 sailor died from the aircraft carrier out of thousands. Look at the cruise ships, just a few deaths out of an aged population.

This is like the Hong Kong flu in 1968 that killed 100,000 Americans and millions worldwide. Highly infectious, but kills only the immune-compromised. The wise course is to let it run through the healthy population to achieve herd immunity, then the vulnerable will be safe.

Instead we are spending trillions and tanking the world-wide economy. CAN YOU SAY DISASTROUS UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES?

Let's revisit this thread in a couple months, and you will find, that the truth is often found in the place you refuse to look.

 

[MplsGopher]

It was a brand new virus, that we had no way of knowing what it actually was.

Everything that has been done up to now, and likely everything that will continue to be done the next couple of months, is entirely because of that fact.

You're spewing nothing but spin and hatred. It was entirely unavoidable.

 

[short ornery norwegian]

"Hey, the virus is only killing people I don't really care about. I'm tired of being inconvenienced because some old people I don't know are dying. Let's play ball!"

 

[MNVCGUY]

It was a brand new virus, that we had no way of knowing what it actually was.

Everything that has been done up to now, and likely everything that will continue to be done the next couple of months, is entirely because of that fact.

You're spewing nothing but spin and hatred. It was entirely unavoidable.

Well said. Hindsight is 20/20 and knowing what we know today about the virus we might have attacked it differently at the beginning. But that doesn't matter to people like GoldenRodents and Veritas who would rather assign evil motives to those in charge and assume their entire goal is to hurt people intentionally for their own gain.

 

[GoldenRodents]

"Hey, the virus is only killing people I don't really care about. I'm tired of being inconvenienced because some old people I don't know are dying. Let's play ball!"

Hey, the famed New York Times columnist and Saint Louis Park native Thomas Friedman agrees with me...(bye the way, the ignorant snark of your post should give way to some serious reflection).

START SPRING PRACTICE NOW

Opinion | Is Sweden Doing It Right? (Published 2020)

The Swedes aren’t battling the coronavirus with broad lockdowns.

www.nytimes.com

 

[GoldenRodents]

I wish this weren't happening, but COVID19 is highly infectious and kills only the immune compromised. Look at the numbers not the anecdotes. 1 sailor died from the aircraft carrier out of thousands. Look at the cruise ships, just a few deaths out of an aged population.

This is like the Hong Kong flu in 1968 that killed 100,000 Americans and millions worldwide. Highly infectious, but kills only the immune-compromised. The wise course is to let it run through the healthy population to achieve herd immunity, then the vulnerable will be safe.

Instead we are spending trillions and tanking the world-wide economy. CAN YOU SAY DISASTROUS UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES?

Let's revisit this thread in a couple months, and you will find, that the truth is often found in the place you refuse to look.

It didn't take a couple months. Thomas Friedman of the NYT is on board, your opinion leader is saying it is OK to agree with me: START SPRING PRACTICE NOW

Opinion | Is Sweden Doing It Right? (Published 2020)

The Swedes aren’t battling the coronavirus with broad lockdowns.

www.nytimes.com

 

[MNVCGUY]

It didn't take a couple months. Thomas Friedman of the NYT is on board, your opinion leader is saying it is OK to agree with me: START SPRING PRACTICE NOW

Opinion | Is Sweden Doing It Right? (Published 2020)

The Swedes aren’t battling the coronavirus with broad lockdowns.

www.nytimes.com

Curious - did you actually read the story or just the headline and assume it proved your point? Because I read the story and it doesn't prove your asinine "Start Spring Practice Now" stance is correct or even remotely intelligent.

 

[PhillyGopher]

1. Who the fuck is Thomas Friedman? and
2. This disease kills mostly/primarily/almost only the immune compromised, not only the immune compromised

 

[GopherWeatherGuy]

 

[MplsGopher]

If it's true that all those public schools have done it, including Iowa, than I guarantee Minnesota will be back open in the fall.

They will follow their Big Ten peers.


Every single college that is capable of doing it safely, wants to be open in the fall.

 

[MinneStoa]

Curious - did you actually read the story or just the headline and assume it proved your point? Because I read the story and it doesn't prove your asinine "Start Spring Practice Now" stance is correct or even remotely intelligent.

What, you expect him to read the article? But that would completely fly in the face of his claim. It’s not like Friedman says “When I look across America, though, and see governors partly lifting lockdowns...I worry we may end up developing more herd immunity but in a painful, deadly, costly, uncoordinated way that still leaves room for the coronavirus to strike hard again and overwhelm hospitals”.

Nah, it’s much easier to hunt for headlines and screech “START SPRING PRACTICE NOW”