Pitino Post Game Press Conference - Not sure about Joey King status, not happy with D

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katze019 said:
King had 7 rebounds vs Richmond.
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I stand corrected again. Tough day for the CRG. King's still not a rebounder though. You don't have to watch him for long to figure that's not what he does. I don't feel like it's an insult to say the guy is a good, young scorer, who's defense & rebounding need work.
 

station19 said:
I guess I wasn't reading the comment section of espn. As Bad said I never saw it on GH or any other place I frequent.

And as you said they were right.
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I'm on GI as well & there were some VERY vocal Tubby haters over there before he was hired. It made it a drag because you couldn't celebrate the hiring & I had to hear "We told everyone so" for 5 years.
 

Costa Rican Gopher;803423[B said:
]I'm on GI as well & there were some VERY vocal Tubby haters over there before he was hired[/B]. It made it a drag because you couldn't celebrate the hiring & I had to hear "We told everyone so" for 5 years.
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Were they Gopher fans or Kentucky fans?

Also if memory is still working, the Tubby hire came out of nowhere. I don't know how much if any talk there was about him before he was hired.
 

Geez I would hate to see this thread if we had lost last night.
 

97alumni said:
Geez I would hate to see this thread if we had lost last night.
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Coastal is really not a bad team despite their record. They lost to Ole' Miss by 2 points after outplaying them the whole game (according to Ryan James).
 


Costa Rican Gopher said:
His first hire was a ex-con who'd been caught selling 20 lbs of dope.
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... who has turned his life around long since and is a role model for kids who might otherwise make the same mistake. Sometimes giving a second chance is a great decision.
 

Costa Rican Gopher said:
His first hire was a ex-con who'd been caught selling 20 lbs of dope.
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Are you kidding? Having a tough day? I suppose it is literally questionable (ie. people asked questions about it) but I think people were enthusiastic about the caliber of someone who overcame errors and experienced deep challenges as a leader/teacher of young men.

Tubby was enthusiastically supported here for most of his time. I was very pleased with his hire, and then last year felt it was time for him to retire. I think the timing was just about right, and it certainly set the table for a young, risk-taking hire. So far, I like what I see in Pitino. He's a thoughtful response to the Tubby years. His coaching style is highly engaged, his communication style highly articulate. I'd guess he got his first coached win at Richmond w/his adjustments.

I see no need to vilify Tubby - he took us as far as he could, but I think the program was going to have a serious backslide this year w/o a change. All in all, it was handled amazingly well.
 

Hi there, bga - its always a good day when we agree!:)
 

Wow I can't believe the folks screaming to send kids packing already. Absolutely crazy. Sure Buggs has a red shirt year but he is 4 games into his college career and needs to fill out and develop. McNeil is 4 games into college basketball playing behind some very seasoned and quality players. Wally was injured most of last year and didn't get much time to grow as a player, but he is a hell of an athlete and once he develops more (especially defensively) he is going to make a lot of things happen. And yes Katz he can shoot pretty well. Some of the posters on here sound like middle school kids.

If you want to ride on anyone it should be our senior guard Mav who posted 3 minutes last night.
 




XMan said:
Wow I can't believe the folks screaming to send kids packing already. Absolutely crazy. Sure Buggs has a red shirt year but he is 4 games into his college career and needs to fill out and develop. McNeil is 4 games into college basketball playing behind some very seasoned and quality players. Wally was injured most of last year and didn't get much time to grow as a player, but he is a hell of an athlete and once he develops more (especially defensively) he is going to make a lot of things happen. And yes Katz he can shoot pretty well. Some of the posters on here sound like middle school kids.

If you want to ride on anyone it should be our senior guard Mav who posted 3 minutes last night.
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I remember a day where freshmen could be freshmen and senior starters weren't looked at as old.....
 





bga1 said:
... who has turned his life around long since and is a role model for kids who might otherwise make the same mistake. Sometimes giving a second chance is a great decision.
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Has he turned his life around? Is he a great guy? Not the point at all beeg. I was asked to provide one single example of a questionable decision. You honestly don't see how making an ex-con who sold 20lbs of dope to DEA agents your first hire as a 30 y/o, mostly untested head coach could be considered a questionable decision?
 

At least get the charges right.

Maybe he was tracked by fema helicopters and was the victim of the new world order?
 

Costa Rican Gopher said:
Has he turned his life around? Is he a great guy? Not the point at all beeg. I was asked to provide one single example of a questionable decision. You honestly don't see how making an ex-con who sold 20lbs of dope to DEA agents your first hire as a 30 y/o, mostly untested head coach could be considered a questionable decision?
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I'm not being a Pitino bobo when I say this; this is genuine. The decision to hire Young was well considered, confident and courageous. I suppose questionable as well, as some people are questioning it. But it was not a bumble of any sort.
 

Bad Gopher said:
I'm not being a Pitino bobo when I say this; this is genuine. The decision to hire Young was well considered, confident and courageous. I suppose questionable as well, as some people are questioning it. But it was not a bumble of any sort.
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It seems like such a good idea, I'm just surprised all the top programs aren't hiring ex-cons.
 


Costa Rican Gopher said:
It seems like such a good idea, I'm just surprised all the top programs aren't hiring ex-cons.
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What is your point? Its not like the incident was last week, last year, even last decade. 1999. You really think this is an example of a 'questionable' decision? Frankly, I think most people see this hiring as a strong one.

I think you're pressing. But don't worry - I'm sure there'll be plenty of questionable decisions made in the future. Its the name of the game in sports analysis.
 

Costa Rican Gopher said:
Come on now, Tubby never got a grace period either. There was a whole cult of hate towards Tubby that many of our fans were part of. In fact, Tubby started taking serious grief here before he even had the keys to the gym. I don't think anyone's suggesting we fire Pitino (if they are, they're morons), but fans questioning coaching decisions is normal & Pitino has made some questionable decisions. As for the state of the team we're just not very good. Elliot is good. Mo should be a solid player. Oto is solid. This is reality. We literally don't have another player over 6'7" who can provide any quality minutes outside of those 3 & it's gonna be a long winter.
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Tubby got an extended grace period. People were thrilled to have him after the Monson years. His hiring was considered a coup by the vast majority of gopher fans.
 

Costa Rican Gopher said:
Neither. There were many Minnesota fans, mostly younger b-ball junkie types who are surfing ESPN & whatnot were totally against the hiring of Tubby. They said he'd shot his load, was mailing it in, etc. In retrospect they may have been right, but Tubby was getting flack before he ever stepped on campus.
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It would be interesting to see your sources.
 

Moonlight said:
Are you kidding? Having a tough day? I suppose it is literally questionable (ie. people asked questions about it) but I think people were enthusiastic about the caliber of someone who overcame errors and experienced deep challenges as a leader/teacher of young men.

Tubby was enthusiastically supported here for most of his time. I was very pleased with his hire, and then last year felt it was time for him to retire. I think the timing was just about right, and it certainly set the table for a young, risk-taking hire. So far, I like what I see in Pitino. He's a thoughtful response to the Tubby years. His coaching style is highly engaged, his communication style highly articulate. I'd guess he got his first coached win at Richmond w/his adjustments.

I see no need to vilify Tubby - he took us as far as he could, but I think the program was going to have a serious backslide this year w/o a change. All in all, it was handled amazingly well.
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Spot on moonlight.
 

I would guess 90+% of gopher fans were excited with the Tubby hire. There were plenty of Kentucky fans on these boards saying Tubby was washed up and they mentioned other than Patino's recruits winning the ncaa title, his teams faded. Most fans were happy with tubby for the first 2 season, a bit dissapointed with the middle 3, but still patient. In year 6 with a solid lineup of experienced players the team faded again. By year 6, I'd say that 90% of Minnesota fans were fine with Tubby leaving and trying someone younger and new. Just my take.
 

march madness said:
I would guess 90+% of gopher fans were excited with the Tubby hire. There were plenty of Kentucky fans on these boards saying Tubby was washed up and they mentioned other than Patino's recruits winning the ncaa title, his teams faded. Most fans were happy with tubby for the first 2 season, a bit dissapointed with the middle 3, but still patient. In year 6 with a solid lineup of experienced players the team faded again. By year 6, I'd say that 90% of Minnesota fans were fine with Tubby leaving and trying someone younger and new. Just my take.
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PITINO
 

From the Barn said:
What are Pitino's questionable decisions so far?
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Not to continue on this topic but one questionable decision that comes to my mind is letting Ellis and Foster go. I don't care how great Richard's style is, if the kid is good enough to play at MSU, he is good enough to play anywhere with any style of coaching.

Go Gophers
 

The-Real-Truth said:
Not to continue on this topic but one questionable decision that comes to my mind is letting Ellis and Foster go. I don't care how great Richard's style is, if the kid is good enough to play at MSU, he is good enough to play anywhere with any style of coaching.

Go Gophers
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how certain are you that he let anyone go?

Maybe Foster?
 

The-Real-Truth said:
Not to continue on this topic but one questionable decision that comes to my mind is letting Ellis and Foster go. I don't care how great Richard's style is, if the kid is good enough to play at MSU, he is good enough to play anywhere with any style of coaching.

Go Gophers
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if someone doesn't want to be here, do we really want him?

Ellis isn't logging many minutes yet either--but then again MSU has some talent ahead of him. I forgot to look for Foster in the Texas Tech game the other night- how did he do?
 

I give Pitino credit for taking a chance on and believing in Young. I'm a firm believer in 2nd chances. It's the 3rd, 4th, and 5th chances people get that I'm not a fan of.

That said, if Young makes another huge mistake similar to the previous one, darn right it's going to be considered a questionable decision (that Pitino hired him).

Here's hoping that situation never comes up. With his 2nd chance Young seems to have his life in order, and he deserves a lot of credit for that.
 

The-Real-Truth said:
Not to continue on this topic but one questionable decision that comes to my mind is letting Ellis and Foster go. I don't care how great Richard's style is, if the kid is good enough to play at MSU, he is good enough to play anywhere with any style of coaching.

Go Gophers
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I'm pretty sure Alvin Ellis decided to explore his options after Tubby got fired. Alex Foster was contacted by the staff and was told that they were going in a different direction. It's not like Foster would have been incredibley helpfull as a freshman anyway. Our frontcourt would be fine for this year if we had gotten Buckles. It's too bad the Buckles situation took as long as it did otherwise we could have pushed harder in getting Derrick Randall.

Right now Randall is averaging 5.5 and 7.5 in 18 minutes per game for Pitt. But the fact of the matter is Randall is something like 6'9 250 and it's not all muscle, so it's questionable how much he could play in Pitino's system. He is also just a Junior so he would have been here for two years. I like that Pitino brought in Mathieu. Our biggest weakness last year was lack of ball-handlers other than Andre, and Pitino addressed that need. It's hard to judge Pitino after only 7 months and 4 games, but so far so good.
 


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