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station19 said:
Flip will take the job without the practice facility.
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What's with everyone's obsession with Flip? Why would Norwood hire Flip? Has he been a head coach at a major program? Who cares if Flip would come there is better chance Brad Stevens is hired.
 

Johnnyboy18 said:
My question to you is where do you think this job ranks in the Big Ten. It's not top half in facilities. Not top half in history. Not top half in anything but you want to fire a coach to bring on another coach who won't be able to sell players on anything but The Barn. You must really think this a top level job that anyone would come to. What Norwood does after this season is going to define him the rest of his days as an AD.
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Blah, blah, blah...no one will ever come here, we are a bottom program in the conference.... Yet Tubby came here.
 

cncmin said:
I agree with much of what you said here, but disagree on Austin - he's missing his shots, but he's the ONE and only guy on this team who cuts hard to the ball and usually gets free for a good look. The thing that sucks is he's also missing the basket by feet, though admittedly air balls often lead to offensive putbacks, so maybe it's not all bad haha.

Also, I disagree that recognizing a mismatch is on Tubby. If the players are missing the mismatches or the open lanes, it's their fault, not the coaches. I see them when at the game or on TV, but I'm at a different angle than the ball handler and passers - still, that they so rarely see the opportunities is a bit disturbing.
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You're right, Austin may be the only one that occasionally does this. I'm thinking mainly of Rodney and Joe Coleman. But the overall theme is, you need to cut hard to get open whether you get the ball or not. It might be your hard cut that gets the next player open for a good shot. It's this type of selflessness that I don't see, and that comes down to the coaches philosophy and style.

Also, I agree that during the game, it is on the players to recognize mismatches, but it is on the coach to game plan around mismatches when they see certain line ups that are favorable, as well as attack a team's weaknesses with designed plays when possible. This seems like a foreign concept to Tubby, and that's why I would blame him for that as well.
 

tikited said:
Blah, blah, blah...no one will ever come here, we are a bottom program in the conference.... Yet Tubby came here.
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Almost seven years ago. Imagine the national press if the Gophers fire Tubby after making the tournament.
 


Johnnyboy18 said:
My question to you is where do you think this job ranks in the Big Ten. It's not top half in facilities. Not top half in history. Not top half in anything but you want to fire a coach to bring on another coach who won't be able to sell players on anything but The Barn. You must really think this a top level job that anyone would come to. What Norwood does after this season is going to define him the rest of his days as an AD.
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Johnny- right now it doesn't rank real high (after 6 years of Tubby). However, I think a lot of people see the potential and would take the job. Get the right one. If you can't get a highly regarded guy- you can get Flip and I feel certain he would improve over what we are seeing, keep the current players, keep the incoming recruited class and maybe collect 2 of the big 3 for 2014. I say that Flip takes next year's group and goes .500 or better in the BT.

Before Bo Ryan and Dick Bennett- Wisky was horrible for 40 years. So I don't give a rip what the program ranks right now. I want someone who will make it better. Tubby has not proved to be much if any better than Monson for twice the price. His recruiting has brought lots of talent but not a great blend of basketball players for whatever it is that Tubby is trying to do. His coaching style, stubborness and lack of enthusiasm are beyond frustrating to watch.

By the way if our coach was engaged and firing up the community over these past 6 years I firmly believe that the practice facility would be on it's way or perhaps even build by now. The guy has added zero enthusiasm and the fans were chomping at the bit to support him.
 

tikited said:
Blah, blah, blah...no one will ever come here, we are a bottom program in the conference.... Yet Tubby came here.
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I think it is less attractive than when Tubby came here as several other big ten schools have upgraded their facilities since then. Also, coaches see a university that made a commitment to build a practice facility and 6 years later, no dirt has been moved. That screams a university and fanbase that is not willing or able to financially compete with their competition.
 

Just finished watching the game on the DVR and I am disgusted. I saw a team with not urgency sleepwalk through a lot of that game and I have NO IDEA why Tubby waited to take a timeout until the team got down 9 in the second half. I also have no idea why he went with the 4 senior lineup to start the game or the bizarre substitution patterns and lineups that were on the floor for most of the 40 minutes.

I did read Tubby's post game comments and those frustrate me as much as the game. Yes, our guards shot terribly, but we were not getting a lot of good looks at the basket. The Gophers just stand around offensively and put no pressure on the opposing team to actually move their feet. The bottom line is there is NO EXCUSE for losing to a team that had to play that fat ass as much as Nebraska played him tonight.

This team is going to finish 9-9 or 8-10 in a year where just winning the games they were favored in would put them at at least 12-6.

Really disappointed in the play of virtually everyone tonight as I thought the effort lacked for most of the game. Rodney, Austin, and Andre in particular really struggled.
 

GopherGod said:
I think it is less attractive than when Tubby came here as several other big ten schools have upgraded their facilities since then. Also, coaches see a university that made a commitment to build a practice facility and 6 years later, no dirt has been moved. That screams a university and fanbase that is not willing or able to financially compete with their competition.
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Debatable for sure. The team was a complete mess when he got here, but the facility issue now is a mess. Seems like a wash to me. I hate thinking we will stick with a guy who has proven he can't get it done just because we are afraid of what might happen.
 




Well, I hope you guys are happy. It's now waaaay past my bed time. Good night.
 

bga1 said:
Johnny- right now it doesn't rank real high (after 6 years of Tubby). However, I think a lot of people see the potential and would take the job. Get the right one. If you can't get a highly regarded guy- you can get Flip and I feel certain he would improve over what we are seeing, keep the current players, keep the incoming recruited class and maybe collect 2 of the big 3 for 2014. I say that Flip takes next year's group and goes .500 or better in the BT.

Before Bo Ryan and Dick Bennett- Wisky was horrible for 40 years. So I don't give a rip what the program ranks right now. I want someone who will make it better. Tubby has not proved to be much if any better than Monson for twice the price. His recruiting has brought lots of talent but not a great blend of basketball players for whatever it is that Tubby is trying to do. His coaching style, stubborness and lack of enthusiasm are beyond frustrating to watch.

By the way if our coach was engaged and firing up the community over these past 6 years I firmly believe that the practice facility would be on it's way or perhaps even build by now. The guy has added zero enthusiasm and the fans were chomping at the bit to support him.
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Guess what 15 years ago is 15 years ago who cares what Wisconsin did. You have to spend money now and the Gophers have yet to do that for basketball. What potential does the nation see? No seriously what do they see in Minnesota that makes it a better job than another place? If Tubby hasn't been enthusiastic enough how do Iowa and Nebraska have a practice facility? If you want to succeed now-a-days you have to spend money. Stop obsessing over Flip, why would Norwood hire him? If you call this "settling for mediocrity" than so be it but if you fire someone you better have someone better lined up.
 

bemidjigopher said:
If Tubby gets canned without a practice facility an up and coming coach will be Brewster 2.0. The big three aren't going to want to come play for a nobody. Face it Tubby will be here for the next two years
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The Gopher football job is one of the worst BCS-level jobs. The Gopher basketball job is not. Also, our new AD hopefully wouldn't screw up a 2 car parade like the old one. Finally, hopefully we won't fire Tubby in June when all the other coaching moves have already been made. (We actually did that with Clem and still got a highly regarded coach.)
 



You are wrong on what the U has to offer. Just look across the street.

I firmly believe if Tubby would have been more successful and engaging the past 3 years we would be talking about breaking ground. When Teague makes the new hire watch how much money comes in.

P.s. My check will be one of the firsts.
 

35 seconds to go, down 3....double bonus in effect....99.9% of legit NCAA Coaches would know enough to tell their team to attack and get to basket for a quick 2...only take a 3, if it comes in the flow of the offense. Nothing wrong with getting a reasonably quick 2 and fouling..extend the game and if they miss 1 outta 2 FT's or turn the ball over, we can win or tie with another 2. The main thing is that the defense is always going to overplay the 3 because they would rather concede a 2 and keep a lead. In this case, Nebraska had 5 guys defending the arc and we were never going to get an open look. We needed a backdoor cut or to Isolate Mbakwe inside...

What does Tubby draw up? Hold the ball on the perimeter with 5 guys outside the arc....Wait until the last 2 seconds on the play clock and have Dre launch whatever he can get. Not only was the design flawed, the idea was flawed...you never wanna wait to the final 10 or 12 seconds to shoot there. You need a quick shot so that you have time to extend the game if you miss.

Anybody doubting whether or not the game has passed Tubby, need look no further. Somewhere the Bo Ryan's and Izzo's of the world were watching and saying WTF was that???
 

Moses87 said:
35 seconds to go, down 3....double bonus in effect....99.9% of legit NCAA Coaches would know enough to tell their team to attack and get to basket for a quick 2...only take a 3, if it comes in the flow of the offense. Nothing wrong with getting a reasonably quick 2 and fouling..extend the game and if they miss 1 outta 2 FT's or turn the ball over, we can win or tie with another 2. The main thing is that the defense is always going to overplay the 3 because they would rather concede a 2 and keep a lead. In this case, Nebraska had 5 guys defending the arc and we were never going to get an open look. We needed a backdoor cut or to Isolate Mbakwe inside...

What does Tubby draw up? Hold the ball on the perimeter with 5 guys outside the arc....Wait until the last 2 seconds on the play clock and have Dre launch whatever he can get. Not only was the design flawed, the idea was flawed...you never wanna wait to the final 10 or 12 seconds to shoot there. You need a quick shot so that you have time to extend the game if you miss.

Anybody doubting whether or not the game has passed Tubby, need look no further. Somewhere the Bo Ryan's and Izzo's of the world were watching and saying WTF was that???
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You might want to watch the replay to refresh your memory. That last play took place with 24 seconds left, and dre ended up taking that contested 3 with about 12 seconds. The possession before i thought they should have went for a 2, but Tubby drew up an out of bounce play that got dre a wide open 3, and he missed.
 

cncmin said:
A frightened team misses their shots, but still plays their ass off. This team didn't play frightened, they played like they just couldn't give a shLt. Everyone but Ingram, EE, Mav, and maybe Welch should be ashamed of themselves after this one.
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I think you forgot Trevor in that group. Trev had 15 pts to lead all Mn. scorers.
 

could we beat PSU on the road this year?
 

book said:
could we beat PSU on the road this year?
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I can't figure out why this team is so horrible on the road, it's a court with two baskets. There seems to be a psychological gap or flaw that hasn't been fixed in getting this team to play an average game on the road.
 

I'm more disappointed with this loss than any this year. Even more than the NW game. In the NW game, at least I could say that NW played one of their better games. It was still an awful loss but NW played a smart, conservative game that played right into our team's high level of stupidity.

Yesterday, Nebraska played poorly and we still lost. That's damning. We just lost to a crappy team that played poorly. Fantastic!!!

Also, I've always thought we were a talented team with many mental warts. Now I'm not so sure. While I'm certain we're one of the most mentally fragile teams in the country (a Tubby Team staple), I may have overestimated the talent. All else held equal (i.e. taking out the mental blocks that inflict most players on the team) I think the ceiling is lower than originally thought. Many players lack basic basketball skills that are masked by flashy plays and quickness or speed.
 

Pewterschmidt said:
I'm more disappointed with this loss than any this year. Even more than the NW game. In the NW game, at least I could say that NW played one of their better games. It was still an awful loss but NW played a smart, conservative game that played right into our team's high level of stupidity.

Yesterday, Nebraska played poorly and we still lost. That's damning. We just lost to a crappy team that played poorly. Fantastic!!!

Also, I've always thought we were a talented team with many mental warts. Now I'm not so sure. While I'm certain we're one of the most mentally fragile teams in the country (a Tubby Team staple), I may have overestimated the talent. All else held equal (i.e. taking out the mental blocks that inflict most players on the team) I think the ceiling is lower than originally thought. Many players lack basic basketball skills that are masked by flashy plays and quickness or speed.
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The talent isn't being utilized correctly because roles are far too fluid on this team, this team gets into the half court and has zero idea what it's doing and half the time in that confusion they forget to feed Mbakwe. Tubby runs this offense like it's the NBA and because of it the team is lost, there is a lack of fundamental coaching going on.
 

WILLBGOPHER said:
You might want to watch the replay to refresh your memory. That last play took place with 24 seconds left, and dre ended up taking that contested 3 with about 12 seconds. The possession before i thought they should have went for a 2, but Tubby drew up an out of bounce play that got dre a wide open 3, and he missed.
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But it's true - Tubby needed something quick on that second-to-last possession, and getting a quick 2 was the obvious move. Once that 3 was missed and I looked at the clock showing less than 9 seconds...all I can say is that you make your own bed. I really can't believe he played it that way on purpose.
 

WILLBGOPHER said:
You might want to watch the replay to refresh your memory. That last play took place with 24 seconds left, and dre ended up taking that contested 3 with about 12 seconds. The possession before i thought they should have went for a 2, but Tubby drew up an out of bounce play that got dre a wide open 3, and he missed.
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Facts have no place in a Moses rant.
 

The Way I See It ...

Now, honestly I am fairly young to remember a lot of the details, stats, etc. during the Clem years. The experience at the barn as a kid and going to the U is what has drawn me in as a young adult now.

That said, the perception I get from folks on the board here is that Clem was a great home coach, and his teams were fairly miserable on the road. However, even when not cheating he often threw a tourney run in there. Just looking at Wikipedia, even Clem had a B1G winning percentage of 46% and that includes the cheating years. Also including cheating years, he has a sweet 16, an elite 8, NIT 1st round, NIT championship, NCAA 2nd round, NCAA 1st round, NIT 2nd round, NCAA final four, a second NIT championship, and NCAA first round. He averaged at least one NCAA tourney win every 3 years. Also, still including cheating years.

Through this season, Tubby has a 43% B1G winning percentage. Tubby has lost 2 games at home. They've made up for it with 1 road win and could even out with a road win over Purdue.

The biggest difference between Clem and Tubby so far based on numbers alone? 3% points and tourney success.

I agree the way the season is trending, I doubt Tubby is back next year. However, if in a season with his best line up Tubby can go 9-9 in the B1G, the best conference in basketball, and make a sweet 16 / elite 8 run. I would be fully on board with bringing him back next year and couldn't support his firing. I have said many times, B1G championships and regular season success are all fun and dandy and I wouldn't complain about achieving them and would be very excited, but I want to see NCAA tournament success. If Tubby can start producing tournament runs this season, I think you keep him.
 

WILLBGOPHER said:
You might want to watch the replay to refresh your memory. That last play took place with 24 seconds left, and dre ended up taking that contested 3 with about 12 seconds. The possession before i thought they should have went for a 2, but Tubby drew up an out of bounce play that got dre a wide open 3, and he missed.
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I just watched the replay on BTN...Tubby called Timeout with 35 seconds left...24 on the shot clock...He should have ordered up a quick shot...that way you have time to extend the game, either way. Instead, they wasted 20 more seconds and Dre fired up a bad three from the corner. Horrible coaching. You have to take a quick 2 there. Nebraska was overplaying the 3. Tubby is the only coach in American who would have instructed his guys to milk the shot clock down the buzzer and then hoist any three you can get. Just horrible!

Maybe Tubby needs one of those wristbands NFL coaches use to remind them of when to go for 2 of take the PAT....He's so incompetent. We deserve better.
 

I don't get why people use the past to excuse the poor play of this years team. It's not just the losses but the way we lose.It's the late season collapse every season after great early season wins. The lack of improvement during the season is more than a trend. You listen to Tubby in his postgame and just shake your head. His coaching staff seem disengaged during games. The more I think about Rodney scoring 23 the first time against Nebraska and zero this game the more I realize something drastic is wrong not only with the coaching staff but the players we recruited.
 

mryan1125 said:
Until I see one gopher player make a HARD CUT away from the ball to get open, I am done with this team. Until I see a player make a hard screen and roll away from the ball I am done with this team. Until I see a player dribble with a purpose in the half court, or do anything less than half assed I am done with this team.

This is the Big Ten, defense in this league is ridiculous. Players on this team somehow think they are just going to get open for a shot without working for it at all! If Austin wants an open look at 3, he should probably work his ass off to cut and get open for it. If we expect to get Trevor the ball down low, we're probably going to have to move away from the ball so that the defense can't just lock down on him. If Andre wants to be a premier PG in this league, he is going to need to take the ball to the basket with a purpose (to either finish at the hoop, or kick for open shots).

It is not as complicated as it seems. On offense you go with what works. And for God's sake, how are we not running pick and rolls with Andre and Trevor all day until they stop us (especially with that Fat Ass guarding Trevor). It seems pretty obvious to me that Tubby is simply over coaching these players on offense, and either they don't get it, or they are not responding to it.

All of this is on Tubby, he is responsible for this. He is responsible for setting the expectations of energy level on offense (getting good, hard cuts and movement on offense). He is responsible for offensive scheme. And he is responsible for recognizing a mismatch, and taking advantage of it.

This is simply embarrassing to watch, whether it's in a win (like against Wisconsin or Indiana), or a loss like Northwestern, Illinois, Iowa, or tonight. Absolutely unacceptable, and completely grounds for Tubby being fired.
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What's the point in cutting hard or breaking for the ball when your teammates won't pass it to you anyway? Watch Gopher passing: Catch the ball. Hold the ball until the defense gathers around you. Call time out. Successful half-court offenses pass the ball with zip -- especially against a zone defense.
 

Blackhammer said:
I don't get why people use the past to excuse the poor play of this years team. It's not just the losses but the way we lose.It's the late season collapse every season after great early season wins. The lack of improvement during the season is more than a trend. You listen to Tubby in his postgame and just shake your head. His coaching staff seem disengaged during games. The more I think about Rodney scoring 23 the first time against Nebraska and zero this game the more I realize something drastic is wrong not only with the coaching staff but the players we recruited.
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Players take on the metality of their coaches...Players at Wisconsin and MSU become Grit-Mongers. Players at Minnesota become frail, mentally weak, confused, baffled and depressed. Coaches instill that stuff, good and bad. Tubby is not the kind of coach who will ever say, it's my fault. it's on me. Consequently, our players never take responsibility and look in the mirrow. The players follow the leader. Tubby didn't recurit mentally weak players, but they all become that way after 2 years in the program. He is an absolute cancer and its malignant and spreading fast.
 

scher215 said:
Now, honestly I am fairly young to remember a lot of the details, stats, etc. during the Clem years. The experience at the barn as a kid and going to the U is what has drawn me in as a young adult now.

That said, the perception I get from folks on the board here is that Clem was a great home coach, and his teams were fairly miserable on the road. However, even when not cheating he often threw a tourney run in there. Just looking at Wikipedia, even Clem had a B1G winning percentage of 46% and that includes the cheating years. Also including cheating years, he has a sweet 16, an elite 8, NIT 1st round, NIT championship, NCAA 2nd round, NCAA 1st round, NIT 2nd round, NCAA final four, a second NIT championship, and NCAA first round. He averaged at least one NCAA tourney win every 3 years. Also, still including cheating years.

Through this season, Tubby has a 43% B1G winning percentage. Tubby has lost 2 games at home. They've made up for it with 1 road win and could even out with a road win over Purdue.

The biggest difference between Clem and Tubby so far based on numbers alone? 3% points and tourney success.

I agree the way the season is trending, I doubt Tubby is back next year. However, if in a season with his best line up Tubby can go 9-9 in the B1G, the best conference in basketball, and make a sweet 16 / elite 8 run. I would be fully on board with bringing him back next year and couldn't support his firing. I have said many times, B1G championships and regular season success are all fun and dandy and I wouldn't complain about achieving them and would be very excited, but I want to see NCAA tournament success. If Tubby can start producing tournament runs this season, I think you keep him.
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I think you answered your own question. Tubby has not had any Tourney success, and he has given no indication that this season is any different from his other huge embarrassing failures (he's actually made a strong case that this season will end the exact same way...)
 

FanSinceTheFifties said:
What's the point in cutting hard or breaking for the ball when your teammates won't pass it to you anyway? Watch Gopher passing: Catch the ball. Hold the ball until the defense gathers around you. Call time out. Successful half-court offenses pass the ball with zip -- especially against a zone defense.
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One play last night that infuriated me. Rodney had the ball on the baseline. Quick swing to Austin on the wing. Quick swing to Mav at the top. Mav stands, holds, and passes to Andre on the other wing. Defense has time to catch up and Dre gets the ball stolen from him. Turnover, Nebraska to the FT line. Had Mav passed it to Dre immediately upon getting it he had a wide open 3 or at least a drive if the defender closed hard as he would have had to do to catch up. Dre could have also made a quick pass down low depending on how the D reacted.

When you stop and stall like that you just make life easy on a defense.
 

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