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Its comical the way Welch shoots free throws - its another Evan look a like. And Joe too - they used to be automatic but Trevor is better than Welch, Joe and Rodney,,,
 

book said:
Its comical the way Welch shoots free throws - its another Evan look a like. And Joe too - they used to be automatic but Trevor is better than Welch, Joe and Rodney,,,
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True - where did all of these hitches come from?
 

book said:
Its comical the way Welch shoots free throws - its another Evan look a like. And Joe too - they used to be automatic but Trevor is better than Welch, Joe and Rodney,,,
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Until I see one gopher player make a HARD CUT away from the ball to get open, I am done with this team. Until I see a player make a hard screen and roll away from the ball I am done with this team. Until I see a player dribble with a purpose in the half court, or do anything less than half assed I am done with this team.

This is the Big Ten, defense in this league is ridiculous. Players on this team somehow think they are just going to get open for a shot without working for it at all! If Austin wants an open look at 3, he should probably work his ass off to cut and get open for it. If we expect to get Trevor the ball down low, we're probably going to have to move away from the ball so that the defense can't just lock down on him. If Andre wants to be a premier PG in this league, he is going to need to take the ball to the basket with a purpose (to either finish at the hoop, or kick for open shots).

It is not as complicated as it seems. On offense you go with what works. And for God's sake, how are we not running pick and rolls with Andre and Trevor all day until they stop us (especially with that Fat Ass guarding Trevor). It seems pretty obvious to me that Tubby is simply over coaching these players on offense, and either they don't get it, or they are not responding to it.

All of this is on Tubby, he is responsible for this. He is responsible for setting the expectations of energy level on offense (getting good, hard cuts and movement on offense). He is responsible for offensive scheme. And he is responsible for recognizing a mismatch, and taking advantage of it.

This is simply embarrassing to watch, whether it's in a win (like against Wisconsin or Indiana), or a loss like Northwestern, Illinois, Iowa, or tonight. Absolutely unacceptable, and completely grounds for Tubby being fired.
 


mryan1125 said:
Until I see one gopher player make a HARD CUT away from the ball to get open, I am done with this team. Until I see a player make a hard screen and roll away from the ball I am done with this team. Until I see a player dribble with a purpose in the half court, or do anything less than half assed I am done with this team.

This is the Big Ten, defense in this league is ridiculous. Players on this team somehow think they are just going to get open for a shot without working for it at all! If Austin wants an open look at 3, he should probably work his ass off to cut and get open for it. If we expect to get Trevor the ball down low, we're probably going to have to move away from the ball so that the defense can't just lock down on him. If Andre wants to be a premier PG in this league, he is going to need to take the ball to the basket with a purpose (to either finish at the hoop, or kick for open shots).



It is not as complicated as it seems. On offense you go with what works. And for God's sake, how are we not running pick and rolls with Andre and Trevor all day until they stop us (especially with that Fat Ass guarding Trevor). It seems pretty obvious to me that Tubby is simply over coaching these players on offense, and either they don't get it, or they are not responding to it.

All of this is on Tubby, he is responsible for this. He is responsible for setting the expectations of energy level on offense (getting good, hard cuts and movement on offense). He is responsible for offensive scheme. And he is responsible for recognizing a mismatch, and taking advantage of it.

This is simply embarrassing to watch, whether it's in a win (like against Wisconsin or Indiana), or a loss like Northwestern, Illinois, Iowa, or tonight. Absolutely unacceptable, and completely grounds for Tubby being fired.
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Thought this was a #1alphabet post for sure due to length. Was wrong
 

mryan1125 said:
Until I see one gopher player make a HARD CUT away from the ball to get open, I am done with this team. Until I see a player make a hard screen and roll away from the ball I am done with this team. Until I see a player dribble with a purpose in the half court, or do anything less than half assed I am done with this team.

This is the Big Ten, defense in this league is ridiculous. Players on this team somehow think they are just going to get open for a shot without working for it at all! If Austin wants an open look at 3, he should probably work his ass off to cut and get open for it. If we expect to get Trevor the ball down low, we're probably going to have to move away from the ball so that the defense can't just lock down on him. If Andre wants to be a premier PG in this league, he is going to need to take the ball to the basket with a purpose (to either finish at the hoop, or kick for open shots).

It is not as complicated as it seems. On offense you go with what works. And for God's sake, how are we not running pick and rolls with Andre and Trevor all day until they stop us (especially with that Fat Ass guarding Trevor). It seems pretty obvious to me that Tubby is simply over coaching these players on offense, and either they don't get it, or they are not responding to it.

All of this is on Tubby, he is responsible for this. He is responsible for setting the expectations of energy level on offense (getting good, hard cuts and movement on offense). He is responsible for offensive scheme. And he is responsible for recognizing a mismatch, and taking advantage of it.

This is simply embarrassing to watch, whether it's in a win (like against Wisconsin or Indiana), or a loss like Northwestern, Illinois, Iowa, or tonight. Absolutely unacceptable, and completely grounds for Tubby being fired.
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I agree with much of what you said here, but disagree on Austin - he's missing his shots, but he's the ONE and only guy on this team who cuts hard to the ball and usually gets free for a good look. The thing that sucks is he's also missing the basket by feet, though admittedly air balls often lead to offensive putbacks, so maybe it's not all bad haha.

Also, I disagree that recognizing a mismatch is on Tubby. If the players are missing the mismatches or the open lanes, it's their fault, not the coaches. I see them when at the game or on TV, but I'm at a different angle than the ball handler and passers - still, that they so rarely see the opportunities is a bit disturbing.
 

XMan said:
Thought this was a #1alphabet post for sure due to length. Was wrong
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I did too, at first, XMan. But then as I was reading it, it dawned on me that there is no reference to RPI, so definitely not #1alphabet.
 

Johnnyboy18 said:
You want to compare overall records? I don't care what Monson's Big Ten record was his overall record does not even compare.
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The overall record is completely meaningless because most preseason games are garbage. The only thing that matters is the B1G and over a six year period Tubby has been outperformed by a guy who had to deal with sanctions the first three years of his tenure, couldn't look anyone in the eye, lived twenty miles from campus and couldn't put a sentence together. Tubby has grossly underachieved. It's his program; it's his fault. Regardless of whether or not he lucks into the tourney, it's time to go.
 



cncmin said:
Not really. Where was their rebounding edge? Where were the blocked shots, the steals, and everything else? Where were the ball deflections?
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We had 9 blocks. We had 19 defensive rebounds, they had 7 offensive rebounds. Getting nearly 75% of them is pretty good. I agree about the steels and deflections though.

and in a tacky-tack called game by the refs, no one came close to foul trouble.
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At times there were some ticky-tack calls, but I don't think it was consistently called that way.

Just because Nebraska didn't have a lot of points doesn't say much - much of that was because the game was brought to a half-court standstill with bad offense of both ends of the court - just like that @NW game. Good defense wouldn't have let Gallegos get all those looks, even if he wasn't hitting most of them. Good defense wouldn't have let their guys drive right down the lane with the game on the line. Good defense wouldn't have let their top scorer get off as many open looks. And good defense wouldn't have given up even 50 points to that Nebraska team in a game with that slow of a pace.
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I guess I don't remember these guys getting a ton of good looks. And regardless of pace, Nebraska still only shot 35% and 33% behind the arch. You're right though, allowing Ubel to drive right by our defense late in the game like that was terrible.
 

cncmin said:
True - where did all of these hitches come from?
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Good dang question. I vividly remember Welch's FT stroke last year being totally fluid. Even though Andre makes his share of jump shots, he's got a hitch in it that I don't remember from last year. And then I hear the rumblings about them re-engineering Oto's jump shot. It does make me wonder just what those clowns are doing to these players' mechanics.
 

LAgopher said:
Not saying monson was a great coach my point is tubby has failed at the U. The game has passed him. 7 years and not one above .500 record I'm glad he's padded his win total in the non conference but he's a joke in conference.
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The fact that we're even ABLE to compare Tubby to Monson says it all. Monson took over the program that was in complete shambles as an up and coming coach but relative unknown around the midwest (tough for recruiting). Even through all of the sanctions imposed on the program, he brought us back to have some respectable years. In hindsight, Monson made the most out of what he had, and at least got our program off the mat a few years.

Tubby has no excuse. Highly revered coach. Won a national championship. Has had success everywhere he's been. Our program is no longer hassled with an sanctions. Yet with all of this, we still are comparing the two. Ludicrous!
 

mryan1125 said:
The fact that we're even ABLE to compare Tubby to Monson says it all. Monson took over the program that was in complete shambles as an up and coming coach but relative unknown around the midwest (tough for recruiting). Even through all of the sanctions imposed on the program, he brought us back to have some respectable years. In hindsight, Monson made the most out of what he had, and at least got our program off the mat a few years.

Tubby has no excuse. Highly revered coach. Won a national championship. Has had success everywhere he's been. Our program is no longer hassled with an sanctions. Yet with all of this, we still are comparing the two. Ludicrous!
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mryan1125, everything you are saying has been discussed ad nauseum in numerous threads for 2 years here on GH, please don't bring all of it up again or we will be redundantly repeating ourselves over and over again, once again.
 



jamiche said:
The overall record is completely meaningless because most preseason games are garbage. The only thing that matters is the B1G and over a six year period Tubby has been outperformed by a guy who had to deal with sanctions the first three years of his tenure, couldn't look anyone in the eye, lived twenty miles from campus and couldn't put a sentence together. Tubby has grossly underachieved. It's his program; it's his fault. Regardless of whether or not he lucks into the tourney, it's time to go.
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I hope Norwood fires Tubby and brings in someone without anything to recruit to. If you think Tubby is bad wait until the next one. How did Monson out perform Tubby?
 

GophersInIowa said:
We had 9 blocks. We had 19 defensive rebounds, they had 7 offensive rebounds. Getting nearly 75% of them is pretty good. I agree about the steels and deflections though.



At times there were some ticky-tack calls, but I don't think it was consistently called that way.



I guess I don't remember these guys getting a ton of good looks. And regardless of pace, Nebraska still only shot 35% and 33% behind the arch. You're right though, allowing Ubel to drive right by our defense late in the game like that was terrible.
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I agree they didn't get a ton of good looks; but half of their time spent on offense was like Northwestern - make no attempt to do anything with the ball for the first 25 seconds of the shot clock and then feed your best scorers on a curl with about 5-10 seconds left and hope they put the shot in. Miles took a page from Carmody's playbook and slowed the game down to take the Gophers' weak hearts right out of the game.
 


Johnnyboy18 said:
I hope Norwood fires Tubby and brings in someone without anything to recruit to. If you think Tubby is bad wait until the next one.
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Well okay. Let's keep him them. It's going great.

Johnny - up until this year, there were tons of excuses that made these BT regular season collapses seem understandable. But now we see a team with no injuries and very lucky in that Mbakwe was given the 6th year. A team that on it's talent got to 8th ranked and now as they get scouted- they have gotten worse and worse. Where is the adjustment on our end? Meanwhile other teams are getting better- OSU, Purdue, Iowa, MSU and even Illinois- teams that didn't look so good early have become better. This is the third year in a row we have tanked the big ten season and I think this one takes the credibility of the all of those prior excuses away.

How many more years of never finishing above 6th and never finishing above .500 would you accept. Do you think this team LOOKS well coached?
 


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bga1 said:
Well okay. Let's keep him them. It's going great.

Johnny - up until this year, there were tons of excuses that made these BT regular season collapses seem understandable. But now we see a team with no injuries and very lucky in that Mbakwe was given the 6th year. A team that on it's talent got to 8th ranked and now as they get scouted- they have gotten worse and worse. Where is the adjustment on our end? Meanwhile other teams are getting better- OSU, Purdue, Iowa, MSU and even Illinois- teams that didn't look so good early have become better. This is the third year in a row we have tanked the big ten season and I think this one takes the credibility of the all of those prior excuses away.

How many more years of never finishing above 6th and never finishing above .500 would you accept. Do you think this team LOOKS well coached?
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Yes like I said fire Tubby couldn't agree more.
 

Johnnyboy18 said:
I hope Norwood fires Tubby and brings in someone without anything to recruit to. If you think Tubby is bad wait until the next one. How did Monson out perform Tubby?
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So, what you are saying is that Tubby is as good as it gets for us? Pretty depressing thought don't ya think?
 

If Tubby gets canned without a practice facility an up and coming coach will be Brewster 2.0. The big three aren't going to want to come play for a nobody. Face it Tubby will be here for the next two years
 

bemidjigopher said:
If Tubby gets canned without a practice facility an up and coming coach will be Brewster 2.0. The big three aren't going to want to come play for a nobody. Face it Tubby will be here for the next two years
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Tremendous.
 

Breakin' The Plane said:
Why is it bizarre? That lineup was on the floor to start 4 days ago and PSU couldn't buy a hoop.
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Because that lineup was on the floor due to it being senior day. That's the only reason. The regular starters knew this. i.e., Dre Hollins knew he wouldn't start - because it was senior day.

Benching him at this point in the season (unless it's for senior day at home) is a bad and bizarre decision.
 


Gopher Warrior said:
Because that lineup was on the floor due to it being senior day. That's the only reason. The regular starters knew this. i.e., Dre Hollins knew he wouldn't start - because it was senior day.

Benching him at this point in the season (unless it's for senior day at home) is a bad and bizarre decision.
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Yep. And if it was supposed to have an extra teaching moment mixed in it makes it even more bizarre since teaching moments don't work anymore.
 

bemidjigopher said:
If Tubby gets canned without a practice facility an up and coming coach will be Brewster 2.0. The big three aren't going to want to come play for a nobody. Face it Tubby will be here for the next two years
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Then don't go after a nobody. They aren't coming as it is, so it might be our only hope.
 



bga1 said:
Tremendous.
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My question to you is where do you think this job ranks in the Big Ten. It's not top half in facilities. Not top half in history. Not top half in anything but you want to fire a coach to bring on another coach who won't be able to sell players on anything but The Barn. You must really think this a top level job that anyone would come to. What Norwood does after this season is going to define him the rest of his days as an AD.
 

Dr.Don said:
mryan1125, everything you are saying has been discussed ad nauseum in numerous threads for 2 years here on GH, please don't bring all of it up again or we will be redundantly repeating ourselves over and over again, once again.
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Considering that the Monson vs. Tubby talk bubbled up here again, i figured it might be valid. Plus, there are numerous reasons I think everyone here is frustrated with Tubby, be it offense, lack of enthusiasm, lack of consistency, etc. I just think that the fact we are able to compare the two just about sums up all of my feelings on the Tubby era in as simple of a way possible. Sorry if I'm "pulling a Tubby" and repeating the same old conversations over, and over and over and over...
 

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