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golfing18now said:
Kind of an odd argument you are trying to pick here. If you replace Joey King with Dawson Garcia in your second sentence it accurately describes this year's team. Joey King's own words during that interview after the game were about the lack of wins that year but how he guaranteed this would lead to more wins down the road. He was right.

I wasn't trying to project my interpretation of how you or anybody should feel about last night, unlike you in your response. I'm simply lamenting the fact that college basketball in it's heyday was often about watching players improve over time and feeling excitement about the future even when things were down. It's not that way anymore for me. But you can feel differently. That's fine.
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That team had a bunch of guys returning (except Joey) and he had good reason to believe they would be much better the following year. This team has 10 seniors. It's still an emotional win but not quite the same thing.
 

MNVCGUY said:
The home clock operator deserves some of the blame as one of the reviews was because he/she ran the clock for a few seconds when they shouldn't have. :)
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Don't get me wrong: the way the rules are written, all these reviews were called for. I admitted that I couldn't clearly see myself what had happened with those couple out-of-bounds situations in real time. And, unlike the NFL, there are hundreds of college games going on, so it's not like Big Brother Replay Assist is going to ping the head ref and tell him what's up. I do believe it's important to get calls right if possible, and it's possible. The time thing is a dilemma, though; it drains entertainment value from the fan experience.
 

MNVCGUY said:
The home clock operator deserves some of the blame as one of the reviews was because he/she ran the clock for a few seconds when they shouldn't have. :)
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They were just trying to take one for the team. Kudos to them. Illinois screwed us out of a football win doing that many years ago.
 


Bad Gopher said:
Don't get me wrong: the way the rules are written, all these reviews were called for. I admitted that I couldn't clearly see myself what had happened with those couple out-of-bounds situations in real time. And, unlike the NFL, there are hundreds of college games going on, so it's not like Big Brother Replay Assist is going to ping the head ref and tell him what's up. I do believe it's important to get calls right if possible, and it's possible. The time thing is a dilemma, though; it drains entertainment value from the fan experience.
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I know football experimented with a time limit on reviews. Has basketball ever done the same? I just come back to the desire to get it right vs over analyzing things to a ridiculous point that kills the flow of the game.

Getting it right is important but when it is so close that you need to look at individual frames of video to try and figure it out just go with what was called on the court.
 


MNVCGUY said:
If the players are still bought in and playing hard for Ben they aren't going to be motivated to play harder for the interim coach who replaces the guy they were playing hard for.
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No. But I didn't say that. I just don't buy that they would quit and start mailing it in either. I don't expect much would change either way on the court. It's off-court reasons that are the benefit.
 

MNVCGUY said:
If they are smart, the next coach is going to come from a mid major that makes a tournament run with a handful of guys with some eligibility left that can come with the coach to Minnesota in order to hit the ground running.
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That's a nice idea but it might be hard to accomplish (the "handful" part). We're not the only team that's significantly staffed with one-year rentals. Penn State's Rhodes was able to bring two significant contributors from VCU. Sprinkle brought one veteran player from Utah State (Osobor) to Washington (granted, it was a very significant one).
 

If the Gophers go undefeated the rest of the schedule, will Ben get re-hired?
 




howeda7 said:
No. But I didn't say that. I just don't buy that they would quit and start mailing it in either. I don't expect much would change either way on the court. It's off-court reasons that are the benefit.
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I agree that on the court things probably wouldn't really change that much regardless of if it was Johnson or Thorson coaching but we disagree on how much benefit there is in making the move in season vs. at the end of the season. Firing Johnson isn't going to bring fans back to the Barn this season.

As long as the players haven't quit on Ben (and they clearly haven't), you just play it out and make the move after the season.
 



TwistingMyMelon said:
Sorry, I think he is 100% correct here when he said this:

The Joey King moment is when a ridiculed, winless in the BIG, no expectations team somehow beats a heavily favored team.

I'll add that it was also about the joy of fans who had waited a long time for a first conference victory. That team lost its first 13 conference games so the fans had to wait considerably longer for their first conference win that year. It wasn't about "wait and see this team next season." Yes, the 2016-17 team was the best in recent history but a big part of that was four players (Coffey, Lynch, Springs, and Curry) who didn't play on the 2015-16 team.

The 2015-16 team won only one more conference game (the next one) against hapless Rutgers (the last team to win only 1 Big Ten game in a season). After that, it fell apart with suspensions and at least one injury.
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I don't disagree with anything you say here in this post. Your description of the 2015-2016 team is accurate. I'd add the atmosphere in the fanbase and towards the coach was pretty toxic at the time particularly after losing non-conference games against the North/South Dakota schools. It's not totally dissimilar to this year's team, but there are some differences too. I've never viewed this current team as a 1 or 2 win ceiling in conference.

Perhaps I'm guilty of including my own dissatisfaction with the current landscape of college sports in an odd location -- in a game day thread. Not trying to be wet blanket guy. My posts tend to ramble at times, as you know Twisting. Ironically I find myself asking myself the same question I asked you recently about motivation for watching sports in general and this team in particular.

Overall, it was a very nice win for the Gophers last night.
 



How many years does Ben have left on his contract? We win some games and he just might ride it out
 

golfing18now said:
Perhaps I'm guilty of including my own dissatisfaction with the current landscape of college sports in an odd location -- in a game day thread.
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Well, you have plenty of company when it comes to the feeling about the current landscape of college sports. I have to say that I have mixed feelings and I think there are some positives along with the negatives.

for example ----

Negative: we may not have been able to keep someone like Jordan Murphy around for four years under this system.

Positive: we may not have had to carry Bakary, Gaston, and Michael Hurt for four years either under this system

Negative: different players every year

Positive: you do get to see a lot of different players; people aren't around long enough to get really sick of them

I think our capacity to be competitive may improve when revenue sharing kicks in.
 

USAF said:
Even last night, the end of regulation was a clear demonstration of how poor a coach Johnson is.
They're up, with 30-some odd seconds left, have the ball from out of bounds on the baseline, WITH A STOPPAGE OF PLAY FFS, and they're still unable to inbound the ball. They looked STUNNED that Michigan might press.

JHFC get a clue.

Johnson is a disaster. Last night was great, but doesn't alter that simple, irrefutable fact.

The sooner he's gone, the better.
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I am glad to see that you have your mojo back.you are like a day without sunshine.

Here’s what I saw. What you saw will be in parentheses. Odacalli (sp) passed on passing the ball to a wide open Patterson, then passed on a less open Mitchell? And instead tossed it down the baseline into a corner and pinned Asuma with his feet 3” from out of bounds. (BJ instructed Odacalli that under no circumstances is he to pass the ball before 4 seconds has expired even if two guys are open, one right in front of him. Odie was to hold the ball as long as possible and then throw it to Asuma in the extreme corner.)
BJ learned this shrewd tactic from being a major college basketball player and from some years as an assistant at same. And in yours eyes 4 wasted years at the U just so he could aggravate you!
 

leib0039 said:
I can't speak for others but for me, I think CBJ is truly a terrible coach. He's basically had 3 years of absolute disaster and 1 year that was fine but I feel should've been better. I want him gone. So although I will never cheer for the Gophers to lose, wins make me nervous. You seem 100% confident he will be gone, im scared 6 wins keeps him.

That said, I watched the game at the local watering hole, the whole place erupted when he made the shot. It was awesome. I'm glad they played hard and didn't quit. Yes it's a bit of a catch 22 with wanting to win but not wanting the coach so it's just a weird fine line.
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Win 10 or 11, and that becomes a conversation. 6 isn't going to get it done imo.

That means they are going to have to go 9-4 or 10-3 in the remainder of their games. Highly, highly unlikely to happen. I'd love to be wrong though!
 

We need to sign Ben to a new five Yr deal if we miss on a good replacement. Yes, let it roll and settle in to finally having some luck signing the young ones. NIL
 

I just got a chance to watch the highlights. Of course they won. They always win when they wear white.
 

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