***OFFICIAL MICHIGAN AT MINNESOTA IN-GAME THREAD!!!***

[stocker08]

The 2022 recruiting class wasn't good though. 2 guys who already transferred down, one that can't get off our bench, a role player on a bad P5 team and then Payne. The only one I'd say is above avg. Just a total miscalculation by CBJ.

Wasn't good enough to make an entire starting roster. No team has a starting roster made up of players from one recruiting class (typically). But those guys didn't need to all be starters with Payne and Hawkins here.

 

[Gophers7633]

Wasn't good enough to make an entire starting roster. No team has a starting roster made up of players from one recruiting class (typically). But those guys didn't need to all be starters with Payne and Hawkins here.

Payne was a part of that class. Those 5 with DG, Hawkins, Asuma and Fox are finishing where, maybe 11th or 12th in this version of the B1G? With basically only Payne being a worthy contributor.

 

[Strongazzoffer]

Have seen a few people saying they are nervous that some handful of wins like 5-6 would be enough for the administration to justify bringing Ben back.....but that simply isn't the case.

If we had a promising young roster that fear might be a little more founded, but with a roster of players that will be gone next year, finishing well below .500 in conference play and nowhere close to qualifying for the NCAA tournament will lead to a coaching change.

Johnson has had multiple opportunities to build a roster and hasn't come close to fielding one that can be a true factor in the Big Ten. No way they can give him another shot to start over in year 5 given how the first 4 have gone.

Yeah with this roster it was always NCAA or bust. Eight or nine guys are out of eligibility (depending if Cochran decides to medically red shirt). 6-8 wins ain't cutting it when you don't have any equity from the past three years and no NCAA tourney births

 

[GFBfan]

Have said in other threads I hate the frame by frame stuff they do trying to determine who the ball went off of. On out of bounds reviews they should have 30 seconds, if they can't clearly tell who the ball went off of in 30 seconds the call on the court stands and you keep playing. Those long drawn out reviews are so tedious.

30 is too long. 10 seconds should be enough video time to see who it’s off of.

 

[Gopheritnow]

THEY DIDNT HAVE A GD OUT OF BOUNDS PLAY CALLED.

JHFC open your eyes.

If only there was some form of technology available so we could go back and see the wide open Patterson missed or the next option missed before the late pass to Asuma? Maybe that would help resolve this?

BTW, did your wife mention to you that the Gophers had 3 of their 4 available players on the inbounds side of the half court? Did she ask: Gee, USAF I bet Ben expects a press coming? (Asking for a friend).

You shouldn’t swear in Caps like that, it’s bad for your blood pressure!

 

[Ewert86PC]

If only there was some form of technology available so we could go back and see the wide open Patterson missed or the next option missed before the late pass to Asuma? Maybe that would help resolve this?

BTW, did your wife mention to you that the Gophers had 3 of their 4 available players on the inbounds side of the half court? Did she ask: Gee, USAF I bet Ben expects a press coming? (Asking for a friend).

You shouldn’t swear in Caps like that, it’s bad for your blood pressure!

There's a difference between expecting a press and having a play called, or even reminding the team what that play is.

There is also a difference between "magical thinking" and having experience with how to handle a pressing defense.

We are all on this board expressing ourselves from our experiences and points of view, as well as our projections based those. The conflict in GH comes from each of us having differing experiences, expectations and methodologies.

When I say "why does it take a player-led meeting to get this team fired up" I mean it, because it shows that this team either is not being led by the coach or he is not connecting with the players. You can't lose a locker room if you never had its attention to start with.

The extenuating circumstances of NIL and the transfer portal are what Ben had to deal with. After four years, you would think he would be approaching it with trying to have more impact on retaining players rather than scrambling to fill roster holes.

This high roster churn and minimal returning players are costing Ben locker room cred and authority on the bench. Most teams have a standard set of plays that don't require calling a timeout. This is engraved over time and players can forget what this coach wants and go with what a coach at a previous college taught them. Was there time? No. Was there chaos among the Gopher players? Yes. The big question is Why?

 

[Oneoldgopher]

There's a difference between expecting a press and having a play called, or even reminding the team what that play is.

There is also a difference between "magical thinking" and having experience with how to handle a pressing defense.

We are all on this board expressing ourselves from our experiences and points of view, as well as our projections based those. The conflict in GH comes from each of us having differing experiences, expectations and methodologies.

When I say "why does it take a player-led meeting to get this team fired up" I mean it, because it shows that this team either is not being led by the coach or he is not connecting with the players. You can't lose a locker room if you never had its attention to start with.

The extenuating circumstances of NIL and the transfer portal are what Ben had to deal with. After four years, you would think he would be approaching it with trying to have more impact on retaining players rather than scrambling to fill roster holes.

This high roster churn and minimal returning players are costing Ben locker room cred and authority on the bench. Most teams have a standard set of plays that don't require calling a timeout. This is engraved over time and players can forget what this coach wants and go with what a coach at a previous college taught them. Was there time? No. Was there chaos among the Gopher players? Yes. The big question is Why?

I can live with this view. I just won't accept the GD's and the "can't you see" attitudes. I watched the game. I saw the replays. I saw Johnson shout out instructions. Apparently, my witness eyes are not what USAF considers valid. If he expressed himself in any other way, I would nod silently a "yes" as in "I understand your view". Instead, invectives and the "magical thinking" that only he could see what I could not.

 

[Unregistered User]

Fire Izzo

MSU just inbounded to Holloman in the same corner as Ike was in. Immediately doubled.

What a bungled play.

Fire Izzo!

 

[Gopheritnow]

Maybe we need to reframe the conversation? Is there anything that Johnson could do that would make "some" on here admit it was the right move at the time?

Now to save time and digital ink, RESIGN will not be an acceptable answer, nor will clever alternatives like move to Albania!

 

[Ewert86PC]

Maybe we need to reframe the conversation? Is there anything that Johnson could do that would make "some" on here admit it was the right move at the time?

Now to save time and digital ink, RESIGN will not be an acceptable answer, nor will clever alternatives like move to Albania!

There is no way to reframe this conversation. We went from one hire that needed on the job training to another hire that needed on the job training. Hiring someone with actual and substantial head coaching experience is what is now a minimum requirement for the MBB program. Look at what hiring Coach P has done for the WBB program.

 

[FinnGopher]

There is no way to reframe this conversation. We went from one hire that needed on the job training to another hire that needed on the job training. Hiring someone with actual and substantial head coaching experience is what is now a minimum requirement for the MBB program. Look at what hiring Coach P has done for the WBB program.

Coach P not only brought her own track record of fundamentally solid basketball, but she played under legendary DII women's basketball coach, Kevin Borseth, at Michigan Tech. Embrace a system of success and it breeds success. As others have pointed out, Ben has no established system of success and he never played in a system of success in college.

 

[Spaulding!No!]

Coach P not only brought her own track record of fundamentally solid basketball, but she played under legendary DII women's basketball coach, Kevin Borseth, at Michigan Tech. Embrace a system of success and it breeds success. As others have pointed out, Ben has no established system of success and he never played in a system of success in college.

Montana St. ‘no thanks.’

 

[Gopheritnow]

Coach P not only brought her own track record of fundamentally solid basketball, but she played under legendary DII women's basketball coach, Kevin Borseth, at Michigan Tech. Embrace a system of success and it breeds success. As others have pointed out, Ben has no established system of success and he never played in a system of success in college.

So, I assume you’re a NO?

 

[Oneoldgopher]

Maybe we need to reframe the conversation? Is there anything that Johnson could do that would make "some" on here admit it was the right move at the time?

Now to save time and digital ink, RESIGN will not be an acceptable answer, nor will clever alternatives like move to Albania!

Could you be more specific as to what you mean by "at that time"?

 

[FinnGopher]

So, I assume you’re a NO?

There is no reframing. This isn't revisionist history. Ben was a bad hire from the start, no matter how much people may have tried to embrace the hire with hope.
When Ben came in and said he was going to try emulate Eric Spolestra, with the Miami Heat, we should have been tipped off that he had no process for success. All he had was a dream of what ifs.

 

[Spaulding!No!]

The wed. Kfan show should be entertaining. Maybe even a bit of hubris. Set the knob and rip it off!