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MaxyJR1 said:
I might have to start watching the highlights as it is so hard to watch college basketball at times. The officials literally went to review after every whistle in the last 2 minutes of the game.
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I've found (since I care far less than ever this year) that it is best to start the game more than an hour after the game begins. I can skip all the commercials, all the replays, and every annoying moment in the last two minutes. Plus if they don't show up like most nights, I can just turn it off anyway.
 

USAF said:
But in case you're talking about the bungled in bounds play, what I saw was a team so poorly coached they were shocked Michigan might press and had no play ready to actually get the ball in safely.
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I have no desire to get into the tiff here, but I put the blame at least as much on the much-ballyhooed (at least here) true freshman there. Hopefully a learning experience because that was textbook in what not to do, especially with a timeout available. You can argue bad coaching by putting Asuma in the game at all, but that was just a stupid, stupid play.
 


Garyisawinner said:
A couple of bad moves. The ball should not have been passed into the corner by a senior! Asuma should have used the last time out.
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...or bounced the ball off a leg (like the Michigan player had done to us just a few minutes earlier).
 


MNVCGUY said:
The potential for the year 4 roster is why he was given year 4 to begin with. The plan he had is pretty clear at this point.

Year 1 - bring in a bunch of 1 year guys and focus on high school recruiting with a few key transfers as well.
Year 2 - Play the young guys even if they are not quite ready
Year 3 - Team improves with a young core still developing - NIT
Year 4 - Plan would have been an experienced roster of home grown players plus some key transfers that can hopefully improve on year 3 and make the NCAA tournament.

Of course we all know what actually happened for year 4 with the roster falling apart essentially leaving us with a roster that closely resembles the year 1 roster again without the promising recruits.

Bottom line is that with the prospect of yet another rebuild in year 5 it is time to move on and let someone else do it. Ben has not shown an ability to bring in the kind of transfers that would lead to a quick fix next year and the program isn't in a position to let him try another multiple year build to competitiveness.
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Completely agree. I was on the bandwagon to give Johnson a fourth year.....because I felt that if he had kept the roster together (even with Christie moving on to the NBA)....that the Gophers would have been one of the better teams in the Big Ten. Certainly top half of the conference with the potential for top four.

But it doesn't matter now. The brutal years building up the roster never ended up paying off. That's not a winning program cycle. Time to move on.
 

formerlybis said:
I have no desire to get into the tiff here, but I put the blame at least as much on the much-ballyhooed (at least here) true freshman there. Hopefully a learning experience because that was textbook in what not to do, especially with a timeout available. You can argue bad coaching by putting Asuma in the game at all, but that was just a stupid, stupid play.
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You're missing the point.

The problem was, the team came out of a timeout ... NOT PREPARED FOR THE LIKELIHOOD MICHIGAN WOULD PRESS.

They don't have a play set up, the first two options can't get open, and theyre about to get a 5 second call.

Every issue is the natural follow on to piss poor preparation for what was a 99 percent liklihood.

And that's coaching.
 

stocker08 said:
Completely agree. I was on the bandwagon to give Johnson a fourth year.....because I felt that if he had kept the roster together (even with Christie moving on to the NBA)....that the Gophers would have been one of the better teams in the Big Ten. Certainly top half of the conference with the potential for top four.

But it doesn't matter now. The brutal years building up the roster never ended up paying off. That's not a winning program cycle. Time to move on.
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Stocker has always been staunch. For stocker to state ‘move on’ that’s real.
 

Garyisawinner said:
A couple of bad moves. The ball should not have been passed into the corner by a senior! Asuma should have used the last time out.
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How about running an actual press breaker with screens, rolls, sprint, and not just a mad scramble running in different directions and end up standing in one spot?
 




I didn't realize I actually wanted us to win until the shot went in to win it. It was an awesome moment.

I think I'm back cheering for the boys. Anything shy of an NCAA berth and I think Johnson is gone already. And that berth is a LONG shot.

Might as well go back to cheering for 'em and being competitive. They're playing better, no doubt about it.

I'm wondering if Cochran is actually trying to get back this year or not. I assume not at this point with all of the games missed. He'll likely take another Medical year that the NCAA will approve I'm sure.
 

Gopheritnow said:
Well, I am glad the roster problems have been coherently explained. There for awhile I thought it had something to do with the lack of Gopher NIL competitiveness? Or the fact that two of his key players left after publicly announcing there was no way they were leaving. Lastly the third was in limbo due to the uncertainty if his NBA dreams would be fulfilled.

This is not the most talented roster in the Big However Many Teams We Now Have league. But watching them play there is no indication of their lack of effort, nor of him having "lost the clubhouse".
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Are you trying to reinforce my point or refute it?

Recruiting has two components: bringing in new players and retaining players.

Ben is not handling recruitment well. We were told he was great at recruiting, but, after four years, the results are awful. The Men's team is churning players at a rate that damages team building.

It is not all NIL related. If it were there would be more pleas to donate to DTA for the MBB team. Football and Volleyball have done that.

The churn rate of Ben's team make team building an obstacle that is higher than it should be. Why are we getting player meetings, in the middle of the season, to make impacts on the court? This says that Ben's leadership isn't enough.
 




skiumah1 said:
I'm wondering if Cochran is actually trying to get back this year or not. I assume not at this point with all of the games missed. He'll likely take another Medical year that the NCAA will approve I'm sure.
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I wonder what he’s getting paid to sit? 🤔
 

Ewert86PC said:
It is not all NIL related. If it were there would be more pleas to donate to DTA for the MBB team. Football and Volleyball have done that.
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I am not an NIL insider, but I seem to remember that there was a heavy % of NIL apportioned to football. As well it should be. Also I see that the new proposed revenue sharing apportionment is also football heavy? Leaving the rest to fight over crumbs. And I have heard the baseball team to fight over nothing?

Now if you are talking about some fat wallet donor subsidizing MBB that’s another thing. Think Ohio State FB on a lesser level. But if you are thinking a $20 here and a $100 here from the locals that ain’t gonna cut it.

We have had our first public outing of a player benched for not doing what he was "paid to do". Thats just the beginning. I can’t even imagine how a coach keeps a locker room cohesive? Even the simple disparity between a Garcia and a Fox or Mitchell NIL deal could be disruptive. Whether Fox or Mitchell are of Garcias value is not the point. It’s whether they think they are.

This whole NIL pay for play thing almost has to blow up. What happens when the mega donor wants the coach fired? Or his nephew to start? What happens when a player sues his school because his eligibility has expired and he contends he is being restricted in his means to make a living. Far fetched? Five years ago, so was NIL, free range transfers, and a player in his 8th? year of eligibility.
 

Spaulding!No! said:
Stocker has always been staunch. For stocker to state ‘move on’ that’s real.
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Always said that I wanted to see what his team looked like when his first (high school) recruiting class were upperclassmen.....since he started with basically nothing. Well...he lost basically his entire first class and next year (Year 5) we'll basically be restarting again.
 

Gopheritnow said:
I am not an NIL insider, but I seem to remember that there was a heavy % of NIL apportioned to football. As well it should be. Also I see that the new proposed revenue sharing apportionment is also football heavy? Leaving the rest to fight over crumbs. And I have heard the baseball team to fight over nothing?

Now if you are talking about some fat wallet donor subsidizing MBB that’s another thing. Think Ohio State FB on a lesser level. But if you are thinking a $20 here and a $100 here from the locals that ain’t gonna cut it.

We have had our first public outing of a player benched for not doing what he was "paid to do". Thats just the beginning. I can’t even imagine how a coach keeps a locker room cohesive? Even the simple disparity between a Garcia and a Fox or Mitchell NIL deal could be disruptive. Whether Fox or Mitchell are of Garcias value is not the point. It’s whether they think they are.

This whole NIL pay for play thing almost has to blow up. What happens when the mega donor wants the coach fired? Or his nephew to start? What happens when a player sues his school because his eligibility has expired and he contends he is being restricted in his means to make a living. Far fetched? Five years ago, so was NIL, free range transfers, and a player in his 8th? year of eligibility.
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NIL is going to blow up because there are already Title IX implications. The gross overloading of one program is going to be clamped down.

The BoR and Administration's reluctance to be opportunistic in the NIL arena will come back and hurt them.

Yet, the problem remains, NIL or not, the MBB teams have had a huge hole dug for them every year because every year is a team of new players, and the two or three remaining from a previous season are not sufficiently leading the formation of a solid team. That is a reflection of the leadership and support from the coaching staff. That is a failure of coaching, not NIL amounts, not class schedules, not access to the athletes village, nothing else but coaching.

Why does it take a player-led team meeting to form the team? Why are the players not listening to their coaches?

Ben should go because he didn't lead the players to focused, on the court, performance. The rest is failure to shut out the chaos for the team.
 
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stocker08 said:
Always said that I wanted to see what his team looked like when his first (high school) recruiting class were upperclassmen.....since he started with basically nothing. Well...he lost basically his entire first class and next year (Year 5) we'll basically be restarting again.
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The 2022 recruiting class wasn't good though. 2 guys who already transferred down, one that can't get off our bench, a role player on a bad P5 team and then Payne. The only one I'd say is above avg. Just a total miscalculation by CBJ.
 

nitramnaed said:
I believe he is signed through ‘27.
I’ll never live that long unfortunately.
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He is. Which means if he comes back next year he will be getting a contract extension. The buyout will never get smaller than it is right now.
 

formerlybis said:
I have no desire to get into the tiff here, but I put the blame at least as much on the much-ballyhooed (at least here) true freshman there. Hopefully a learning experience because that was textbook in what not to do, especially with a timeout available. You can argue bad coaching by putting Asuma in the game at all, but that was just a stupid, stupid play.
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This team's strength is that it's old. Full of veterans. They shouldn't need a "learning experience".
 

GoodasGold said:
I wonder what he’s getting paid to sit? 🤔
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Gotta be something in the contract where you don't a pay a guy that doesn't play.

Even though maybe these aren't contracts? I have no idea.
 

There is one thing I am 100% certain about the inbound disaster at the end of the game. Ben Johnson did not call the play to be trapped in the corner. 100%. When the board thinks that somehow it was a result of his inability to call the right inbound play, I've got to tell ye, I doubt it was a result of coaching. Maybe, just maybe, two things coincided. Michigan ran a tight defense, and our player got rattled. I have yet to read a plausible explanation from anyone on how Ben Johnson under coached this situation with any clarity, known facts, and something other than conjecture. Am I wrong? If you have reason to clarify how I am, I will wait patiently and read what you have to say.
 

USAF said:
You're missing the point.

The problem was, the team came out of a timeout ... NOT PREPARED FOR THE LIKELIHOOD MICHIGAN WOULD PRESS.

They don't have a play set up, the first two options can't get open, and theyre about to get a 5 second call.

Every issue is the natural follow on to piss poor preparation for what was a 99 percent liklihood.

And that's coaching.
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Patterson broke open right a way and Odekale didn’t pass it for some reason. Patterson would probably have been fouled and he was making free throws.
 

Oneoldgopher said:
There is one thing I am 100% certain about the inbound disaster at the end of the game. Ben Johnson did not call the play to be trapped in the corner. 100%. When the board thinks that somehow it was a result of his inability to call the right inbound play, I've got to tell ye, I doubt it was a result of coaching. Maybe, just maybe, two things coincided. Michigan ran a tight defense, and our player got rattled. I have yet to read a plausible explanation from anyone on how Ben Johnson under coached this situation with any clarity, known facts, and something other than conjecture. Am I wrong? If you have reason to clarify how I am, I will wait patiently and read what you have to say.
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THEY DIDNT HAVE A GD OUT OF BOUNDS PLAY CALLED.

JHFC open your eyes.
 


USAF said:
THEY DIDNT HAVE A GD OUT OF BOUNDS PLAY CALLED.

JHFC open your eyes.
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So your counterpoint is to say I had my eyes closed. Were you in the room observing me or is this simply another case of magical thinking to prove your point. I must sound like your wife about now. I have no idea if you are a man, woman, married or single but I think I can extrapolate that I am not the first person to say your use magical thinking to prove your points.
 

Oneoldgopher said:
There is one thing I am 100% certain about the inbound disaster at the end of the game. Ben Johnson did not call the play to be trapped in the corner. 100%. When the board thinks that somehow it was a result of his inability to call the right inbound play, I've got to tell ye, I doubt it was a result of coaching. Maybe, just maybe, two things coincided. Michigan ran a tight defense, and our player got rattled. I have yet to read a plausible explanation from anyone on how Ben Johnson under coached this situation with any clarity, known facts, and something other than conjecture. Am I wrong? If you have reason to clarify how I am, I will wait patiently and read what you have to say.
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There are some who will never blame the players for anything ever.....it is always the coaches for them no matter what happens in the game.

Tough to know what was actually called during the timeout but whatever it was Michigan defended it well and our players ended up panicking. Patterson and Asuma both could have called timeout when things weren't working but they didn't.

The reality is that in any situation like that there is plenty of blame to go around. Some falls on the coaches for either not calling for the right play or not having the players prepped enough on what to do when things go sideways......and a lot falls on the players because in the end they are the ones who have to execute on the court.
 

Oneoldgopher said:
So your counterpoint is to say I had my eyes closed. Were you in the room observing me or is this simply another case of magical thinking to prove your point. I must sound like your wife about now. I have no idea if you are a man, woman, married or single but I think I can extrapolate that I am not the first person to say your use magical thinking to prove your points.
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THEY DIDNT HAVE A GD OUT OF BOUNDS PLAY READY.

Maybe stick to the point.

Ridiculously poor coaching.

Even my wife knew they'd press coming out of the TO.

Yet somehow Ben Johnson's team didn't..

Open your eyes.
 

GophersInIowa said:
I’ve watched that last sequence about 100 times now and I can’t help notice how close Patterson was from botching the inbounds pass. It was close to going out of bounds.
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That last play could have fallen apart a ton of times. They almost botched the inbounds....there was the contact between Patterson and the defender in the back court.....then when Patterson got across half court there was nowhere to go with the ball with the exception of the trailing Garcia. Million ways that play could have been blown up but the basketball God's actually decided to cut us a break for once and Garcia drilled the shot.
 

USAF said:
THEY DIDNT HAVE A GD OUT OF BOUNDS PLAY READY.

Maybe stick to the point.

Ridiculously poor coaching.

Even my wife knew they'd press coming out of the TO.

Yet somehow Ben Johnson's team didn't..

Open your eyes.
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Again, more magical thinking and I will add name calling on your part. Try putting on your adult cap for a moment and I will give you time to reassess how you want to proceed with me.
 

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