Gasp! I questioned PJ’s recruiting class! I’m a negative Nellie! You pegged it.Probably just depends on what type of person you are.
When faced with the unknown, do you just hope for the best or worry the sky is falling?
There is an entire industry that developed formulas. They work pretty well with predicting success.
Call it what you like man.
And you know why that happens I'm sure...
I know that Alabama, Ohio St and Clemson consistently have top 5 classes and are among the best teams in the country. I know that Iowa and Wisconsin consistently have higher rated classes than we do, beat us on the field, and then we can’t understand why it happens.
And that didn't answer my question. I guess we're done here.
I really don't think you're ok. Please take some aspirin and go to bed.
Not every class is going to get incrementally better than the last. I doubt the staff is taking guys this early that they believe are way worse than the kids they just signed. I do agree that rankings wise it isn’t shaping up to the previous standard of Fleck’s recruiting, and I also do not want this to be a trend. But I’m also not going to wring my hands too much over one class. The only real head scratcher to me so far is Alvarez as it seemed like the staff was in on some other higher rated tight ends, but they certainly got a close look and liked what they saw. Pyburn to me seems like the type that either becomes a star or is kind of irrelevant. And then Watson has lots of speed, but is quite small, so that’s a bit of a question to me. The rest seem like solid additions to me. Don’t want to bad mouth a kid but just being honest about what I see regardless of ratings.
Tell me about all these talented “under the radar recruits” PJ has brought in? I can probably name 3. Tanner Morgan, Autman-Bell, and John Michael Schmitz.
True, but that's just part of offseason talk. Everyone is optimistic until given a reason not to be. I don't mind it. I also don't mind folks like you having dissenting views. Nothing wrong with a little balance around here.
Anyone that questions a Fleck recruiting class needs deep breaths and a step back. Great analysis. And I thought we are Ohio St. Anyone that rushes to the defense of the staff as much as you feel the need to is in much more need of fresh air and a change of scenery. It’s a message board, contrary opinions are allowed.
Early mover advantage with Bateman, Athan committed before he had a composite rating, Mo was under a .84, Mafe was under a .83… Plenty of others that show a lot of promise as well (Carter, Potts, etc.). PJ and crew seem to be able to find talent and given how little tape there is for the industry to get a look at these guys… I feel good knowing our staff is very capable in identifying and developing these guys.
I’d expect that this fall these guys will have their ratings bumped as we get to more of a “normal” season.
Mo, Mafe, and Otomewu were all below a 0.84. Lindenburg certainly was much lower when he committed.
My suspicion is if this was actually done as a case study ... you'd find very legitimate reasons that those guys all left.
Correct.
Legit question here. Please explain how flecks pwo has improved? Do we have a walk on anywhere getting significant snaps and actually producing??? I get walk ons a re depth and ever so often you find a diamond. What diamonds has p.j. found through the walk on program
True but that it has the same affect on all but the very top teams. Plenty of spots open and time to improve, just surprised at this point that it is as low as it is. Boy, Rutgers is off to a great start.
Penn State has seven 4* out of 11 commits. It had six in 2021 class that was ranked 21st. Probably not a great comparison.
So if the Gophs had Rutgers current class, you'd have the same level of skepticism about how the players are evaluated?
Should have led with this post as opposed to just bashing the class. At least now we can see where you are coming from.
As will happen to other recruits on other teams.
MD has two unrated commits out of 10 recruits with a higher team average.
This is not an exciting class to this point and is lacking in big name guys at the top. My only issue is with those calling it a bad class because that is not an accurate assessment of it. It is very much in line with the other classes Fleck has brought in to this point and is comparable with what the majority of the conference is bringing in talent wise on paper.
I wouldn't be skeptical for the same reason I'm not skeptical now, and that's because I trust the evaluations of coaches more than 247 or anyone providing info on a message board. I'm sure Schiano is getting players he wants, Fleck is getting players he wants, and they're both missing on some players they want.