Are we going to pretend there is some significant difference between a .8655 and a .8555 class average? Because there isn't one. As as for the concept of a top 500.....
I'm not pretending anything, are you?
Nebraska.
All 13 of Rutgers are in the top 1000.
Looks like they don’t even crack .88 half the time.
Wisconsin doesn't. Therefore, we don't.
You keep comparing this staff to Kill’s. NO ONE CARES! Fleck is the better recruiter and coach. There might be one or two guys on this entire board that would disagree with that take.
This is an outstanding point and a reason this class is disappointing so far. Most teams, including us, are going to have much smaller classes than normal this year due to no one losing eligibility last season. So if the helmet schools and teams that have been recruiting better than us are only getting 14-15 recruits as opposed to the normal 25, there will be a lot of high end recruits having to commit to schools they normally wouldn’t have to consider. Every team should be able to be more selective this class and you would expect the avg recruit rating to spike considerably.
So now it’s come to this - the rankings are skewed.
Yes, and in Jerry's last three years his Big Ten record was 10 and 9. 1 over .500
Wait, why are we likely not going to have any depth? And how does winning 8 games fix that?
We aren't going to have any depth because we have 40 seniors. PJ doesn't play backups unless we have injuries or covid.
We have forty seniors? I don’t think that is correct. And it’s not like all the players that get play time right now are seniors. I don’t see the massive depth issues all over the roster that you seem to be seeing.
Just curious why we'd give Jerry a pass on year 1 and 2 (4-12 B1G record) but don't give that to PJ. He's 10-6 in the B1G if you give the same two-year pass.
The Gopher know the type of players they want, and recruit to their system. They develop Five Stars like AW Jr, not get commitments from them. Hopefully, we like to see that cahnge. It will be great if you can get a recruit that the Bamas and tOSUs get regularly. Realistically, these players normally don't go to schools like MN with the very high ratings that they have talent-wise. Once in a great while, we can celebrate when the Gophers actually have a huge recruiting win over these schools..
You make some good points but "worst Gopher roster ever"? How many of those inherited guys have been at least invited to an NFL camp...10-15 with some still to come? That would suggest there was some talent.
Okay, 31 seniors including a few that will possibly be back but other guys will transfer, quit, declare for the NFL. If you don't think we are going to lose a LOT of valuable guys who play the majority of the snaps...then we disagree.
What? PJ is good. 11-2 showed us that. But is he really good? Can he win 10-11 games again? We’ll see.
I think the "we won last year" is a myopic standard. Like saying belicheck sucks now because he inherited a winner and missed the playoffs......with no context accounted for. Never mind that a four-year starting qb was being replaced by Rhoda and Croft and we'd been terrible on the recruiting front for the prior three years. I don't see it.
The rankings aren't skewed they just aren't perfect. I really don't understand why that is hard to understand.
We do lose some good players, that doesn’t mean we won’t have any depth. What position groups have zero depth after next year?
Define depth? Obviously we we have numbers, we have 120 guys.
Other than on the oline, the returning talent is generally supposed to better on paper than what they are replacing. It’s college football, you only get so many experienced known commodities. But the solid teams find a way to replace guys every year. I expect to see some drop off on the oline, at QB, and at RB, but that doesn’t mean it’s a sure thing. The other positions you mentioned, DL, LB, and TE are not major concerns to me.