Official 2021 Gophers Football Recruiting Updates Thread: Links, Tweets, Videos etc

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MplsGopher said:
I don't have a great feeling on these things, to be honest. This is from their site: https://247sports.com/Article/247Sports-Rating-Explanation-81574/
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Yes, thank you, that's what I was looking for. From the link:

247Sports Composite


The 247Sports Composite Rating is a proprietary algorithm that compiles prospect "rankings" and "ratings" listed in the public domain by the major media recruiting services. It converts average industry ranks and ratings into a linear composite index capping at 1.0000, which indicates a consensus No. 1 prospect across all services.


The 247Sports Composite Rating is the industry's most comprehensive and unbiased prospect ranking and is also used to generate 247Sports Team Recruiting Rankings.


All major media services share an equal percentage in the 247Sports Composite Rating.


The composite index equally weights this percentage among the services that participate in a ranking for that specific prospect.


All industry services have a different philosophy on number of "stars" distributed with each class. The 247Sports Composite Rating assigns stars based on an approximate average distribution of stars from the industry.


247Sports produces ratings and rankings that contribute to the 247Sports Composite. These ratings can also be viewed along side the 247Sports Composite for a comparison.
 

Right now, if you’re a Michigan fan, you prefer the composite rankings, but Gopher fans prefer the 247 rankings.

Some people think Rivals and ESPN are less diligent than 247. There may be some truth to that, but I don’t know that to be a fact. The difference between 87.52 (Gopher average composite rating) and 88.28 (Gopher average 247 rating) probably isn’t significant.
 

All three of these services are made up of the people they employ, who each have their own individual strengths and weaknesses for evaluating talent. Which is an imperfect art in the first place.
 

PitinoFan said:
Right now, if you’re a Michigan fan, you prefer the composite rankings, but Gopher fans prefer the 247 rankings.

Some people think Rivals and ESPN are less diligent than 247. There may be some truth to that, but I don’t know that to be a fact. The difference between 87.52 (Gopher average composite rating) and 88.28 (Gopher average 247 rating) probably isn’t significant.
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Agreed to a large extent; but one cannot be ranked in an order without such values. The difference between the Gophers class and that of Michigan's, Iowa's, Wisconsin's, and Penn State's right now is probably pretty small. Still, I'm glad we're competing strongly with them instead of the Indianas and Purdues and Northwesterns and Rutgers of the world (although even Rutgers is having a pretty decent 2021 class at this point).
 

Urbandale said:
I think orange is underrated as a primary uniform color. I love the Tennessee Volunteer uniforms. I think the original Tampa Bay Buccaneer creamsicle uniforms were spectacular.
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“It’s that puke inside of a pumpkin orange”

 


Speaking of Eastern, here are a couple clips of him doing drills recently. That quickness and agility is very impressive for someone Mike Morris’ size.



 

MplsGopher said:
Link? Surprised by that, but so be it. Maybe Clemson goes after more upper middle class Atlanta and Charlotte suburban kids, whose families have money to throw at test tutor centers.

These entrance tests are going to be toast pretty soon, anyway.


But that wasn't really what I was getting at, regarding Clemson.
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Just Google the average act scores if you don't believe me. NDSU is closer academically to St. Cloud State than it is Clemson.
 

Word said:
Just Google the average act scores if you don't believe me. NDSU is closer academically to St. Cloud State than it is Clemson.
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Regardless, not what I was getting at. Clemson is a public ag school. It's never going to be a place where liberal arts focused, high testers flock to.
 




its not like Alabama, Georgia, LSU are some academic powerhouses either. I would bet there’s a poor correlation between institutional academic prowess and football success overall
 



PhillyGopher said:
Staddard operating procedure - moving the goalposts/changing the narrative when he is proven wrong. Its almost predictable now.
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Think you missed his point. The point was that non recruiting discussion belongs somewhere else but we have multiple posters highjacking this thread with a discussion that has nothing to do with the 2021 Gopher Football Recruiting Class.
 



MNVCGUY said:
Think you missed his point. The point was that non recruiting discussion belongs somewhere else but we have multiple posters highjacking this thread with a discussion that has nothing to do with the 2021 Gopher Football Recruiting Class.
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Or you missed my point (perhaps because I should have responded to the post he was responding to) which confirms that that certain poster is a known hijacker and is unable ot see any other viewpoint. Wasn't implying PitinoFan was the problem.
 

MNVCGUY said:
Shame we have a couple of posters that just won't respect that and continue to bicker about Clemson and other crap in the recruiting thread. Very frustrating.
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Doubt it really bothers you that much. If it does, maybe reconsider internet message boards?
 

hungan1 said:
It wouldn't be surprising if PJF have turned down a few 4-Star players who do not fit the mold of what it is to be a Gopher football player
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How does that work, exactly? PJF recruits a 4 star, offers, then says "no" when the guy accepts?

Or are these 4 stars PJF is turning down calling up PJF unsolicited, and PJF says "no" then?
 

MplsGopher said:
The difference is composite rankings vs 247 rankings only. You can see in the two URLs, as well as just above the ranking table.

https://247sports.com/college/minnesota/Season/2021-Football/TeamRankings/
https://247sports.com/Season/2021-Football/CompositeTeamRankings/


Don't ask me how they calculate "points".


I think most people here generally prefer the composite ranking.
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TBHWY, the difference between a player ranked high 3-Stars vs. a player ranked 4-Stars isn't worth a hill of beans. It is the Gophers coaches' evaluations that matter.

Unless a recruit is a legitimate can't miss true blue chipper 5-Star player, there is plenty of room for splitting hairs and biases on the individual talent evaluators for 247 Sports or the other ranking groups. This is like horse handicapping with loose set of metrics.

What data analytics/ratings are the evaluations based on? Are they based on field observations/reports, H.S. coaches inputs, obstacle course evaluations, evaluation of film (highlight reels vs. raw film), etc... Are they uniformly done, or are some simply based on individual evaluators sitting at a computer and may have never seen a recruit other than film work?

There is a certain amount of confidence level that these predictions of how these kids are going to perform in college.

Overall player development, right program fit, late bloomers, injuries, emotional and physical maturity, life changing events. etc... all influence a recruits chances and performance.

If we look at every recruiting class, we will see a certain level of attrition for a myriad of reasons.
 

USAF said:
How does that work, exactly? PJF recruits a 4 star, offers, then says "no" when the guy accepts?

Or are these 4 stars PJF is turning down calling up PJF unsolicited, and PJF says "no" then?
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I don't know for sure. Someone in the know may be able to answer that question.

We hear PJ Fleck in prior interviews say that it has to be a right fit in the four values he is looking for in every recruit. It is not based on physical ability alone. One value he holds dear is determination and desire to succeed. Another important one is character.

I would think as hard as the Gopher coaching staff work in recruiting, they go through player evaluations in great detail.
 

hungan1 said:
I don't know for sure. Someone in the know may be able to answer that question.

We hear PJ Fleck in prior interviews say that it has to be a right fit in the four values he is looking for in every recruit. It is not based on physical ability alone. One value he holds dear is determination and desire to succeed. Another important one is character.

I would think as hard as the Gopher coaching staff work in recruiting, they go through player evaluations in great detail.
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I think an example would be Jason Bargy --- the staff recruited him and accepted his commitment, but when it became clear of his lack of character they cut ties with him.
 

hungan1 said:
TBHWY, the difference between a player ranked high 3-Stars vs. a player ranked 4-Stars isn't worth a hill of beans. It is the Gophers coaches' evaluations that matter.

Unless a recruit is a legitimate can't miss true blue chipper 5-Star player, there is plenty of room for splitting hairs and biases on the individual talent evaluators for 247 Sports or the other ranking groups. This is like horse handicapping with loose set of metrics.

What data analytics/ratings are the evaluations based on? Are they based on field observations/reports, H.S. coaches inputs, obstacle course evaluations, evaluation of film (highlight reels vs. raw film), etc... Are they uniformly done, or are some simply based on individual evaluators sitting at a computer and may have never seen a recruit other than film work?

There is a certain amount of confidence level that these predictions of how these kids are going to perform in college.

Overall player development, right program fit, late bloomers, injuries, emotional and physical maturity, life changing events. etc... all influence a recruits chances and performance.

If we look at every recruiting class, we will see a certain level of attrition for a myriad of reasons.
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The NCAA transfer portal is an interesting study, as many of the players are given both a high school and a transfer rating. Some players have improved greatly from their HS rating and are transferring up. But a lot seem, after a couple of years in college, to have tumbled from their sky high HS ratings to a much lower Transfer rating. The HS ratings element is a very good measure, but it is an art not a science, and a lot of higher HS three stars seem to surpass stagnant HS four stars after a few years of S&C and good positional coaching. Bottom line: I really like the potential of this 2021 Class (and liked 2020, too).
 

noamfromm said:
I think an example would be Jason Bargy --- the staff recruited him and accepted his commitment, but when it became clear of his lack of character they cut ties with him.
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There was another highly regarded recruit that Minnesota offered, but he didn’t accept. Then a day or two before signing day he called to accept and Fleck turned him down because there weren’t any scholarships left.
 

USAF said:
How does that work, exactly? PJF recruits a 4 star, offers, then says "no" when the guy accepts?

Or are these 4 stars PJF is turning down calling up PJF unsolicited, and PJF says "no" then?
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Usually the coaches just stop recruiting the player and then the player moves on to schools he is actively hearing from.
 

WAGopher said:
There was another highly regarded recruit that Minnesota offered, but he didn’t accept. Then a day or two before signing day he called to accept and Fleck turned him down because there weren’t any scholarships left.
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Do you have the name?
 



WAGopher said:
I can’t recall his name. Someone else may remember it.
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Sounds like Verdis Brown, 4 star center from IMG that went to Illinois.

4 star RB Braderick Shaw in 2014 is another guy that tried to commit but we already had 3 RB's and 6's DB's that class and he ended up at Wisconsin.
 



die hard gopher said:
Sounds like Verdis Brown, 4 star center from IMG that went to Illinois.

4 star RB Braderick Shaw in 2014 is another guy that tried to commit but we already had 3 RB's and 6's DB's that class and he ended up at Wisconsin.
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That’s the guy. He decommitted from Florida State in late November, visited Minnesota early December, just before signing day tried to commit to Minnesota, then on early signing day committed and signed with Illinois.
 


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