Not thrilled with Cosgrove

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GVBadger said:
He has very good connections in St.Louis. If he has connections with Wingo, it would not be surprising.

Terrell Fletcher, Jamar Fletcher, Wendell Bryant all recruited out of St.Louis for the Badgers.
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As much as I want Wingo to be a Gopher, I hope he is not hiring this guy to land one recruit.
 


Brew has 2 years to produce. The last thing he needs is an inexperienced DC. Cosgrove at least has some recruiting connections and plenty of Big 10 experience on his resume. I am not sure Brew can do much better than Coz at this point without paying in neighborhood of $500,000. This there that type of money available for a DC?
 

sonnygarcia said:
I'd give him a chance to show results on the field if it got us Wingo :D;)
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Do we even know for sure he has connections with Wingo? I guess I would be surprised if he has been talking to a recruit without a job and university to recruit the kid to.
 

TheDinkytowner said:
I'll go ahead and quote GVBadger again for you "He had two Badger defenses ranked in the top 10 in the country in 98 and 99. One of the defenses was first or second in the country in scoring defense."
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Yes, that was until they invented the spread offense and thus the turning point in his career. He couldn't defend the spread.
 


sonnygarcia said:
I'd give him a chance to show results on the field if it got us Wingo :D;)
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It is tempting but what is a D-Coordinator doing recruiting a RB. Would a defensive coach change your mind if you were an Offensive player?
 

Is it impossible that Cosgrove will be hired by the program in a capacity other than DC? (Thereby giving GI-guys a false leak of some sort)
 

He was run out of Wisconsin for having pretty much a prevent defense. It was difficult to watch. Teams would move freely between the 20's. The only consolation was that the defense generally stiffened and only allowed FGs but did give up alot of big plays. His defense declined year after year and that is what got him fired. He was a very good recruiter though in the Ill and Stl areas.
 

Players will win.

I dont think Roof was a genious at all he just had the benefit of having players that were better than what we had the year before. I am concerned about Cosgrove but I will give him a shot as I will any coach. I was so unhappy with the defense during the bowl game and how poorly we played that losing Roof didnt bother me as much as others. Can Cosgrove get the job done? I have no idea but we will see if he can do the job. With Wingo Jr coming into a visit and Cosgrove with possible connections with the St Louis area maybe they try to make another push for Richardson if they can get Wingo Jr to begin with.
 



minngg said:
Yes, that was until they invented the spread offense and thus the turning point in his career. He couldn't defend the spread.
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I didn't realize he was both the defensive coordinator and starting cornerback. Maybe the players he had could not defend the spread.
 

Jwill535 said:
He was run out of Wisconsin for having pretty much a prevent defense. It was difficult to watch. Teams would move freely between the 20's. The only consolation was that the defense generally stiffened and only allowed FGs but did give up alot of big plays. His defense declined year after year and that is what got him fired. He was a very good recruiter though in the Ill and Stl areas.
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I looked up the ranking for the Nebraska defense Cosgrove's last year there and they were rated a stellar 112 in the country. I also looked up his defensive rankings the years before he arrived at nebraska and after he arrived as well as his last season at wisconsin and the first year that he was not there.

Total defense rankings: Nebraska 2003: 11th, Nebraska 2004(his first there): 56
Wisconsin 2003(his last there): 43, 2004: 9th

I think I see a pattern here
 


I'm not wild about this one either. Seems like one of the Mason-era retreads or never-wases that seemed to inhabit the Bierman Building back then.
 




GopherGod said:
Kevin Cosgrove was so bad that Barry Alvarez didn't even try and entice him to stay at Wisconsin with the promise of naming him head coach when he became A.D. Instead, he would rather bring in Bielema and name him as his successor. And though I am not a Bielema fan his defense with Cosgrove players his first year at Wisconsin as defensive coordinator was a 180 degree improvement over what Cosgrove had done.
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Bielema got back too many players to name from injury that Cosgrove was without the previous season. Cos had his moments in the late 90s. And hasn't had any since. Which Cos shows up for Minnesota will determine his fate.
 

BoOwnsIzzo said:
Bielema got back too many players to name from injury that Cosgrove was without the previous season. Cos had his moments in the late 90s. And hasn't had any since. Which Cos shows up for Minnesota will determine his fate.
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I guess my question then is after being with Alvarez for a long time, why didn't alvarez try and get him to stay and promise him the head coaching job at wisconsin after he was done in another year.
 

TheDinkytowner said:
Nebraska has great tradition, but it is also the easiest of the "big name" schools to drive into a ditch due to its lack of recruiting base. Name one "big name" school with less of a natural recruiting base than Nebraska. All the fan support and money in the world can't pick your school up and move it out of Nebraska.
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I completely agree with this statement. Despite having the Nebraska name, when they go down to Texas they fall in line behind Texas and OU and they get about 10%-25% of the players that are their first choice. Compare that to Texas that probably gets anywhere from 75%-90% of their first choice players.

I had that exact discussion with one of their coaches this weekend.

And before you throw their recruiting under the bus, Callahan did have a #5 ranked class in one season while he was at Nebraska. However, many of the players they recruited did not develop as they expected.
 

grunkiejr said:
I completely agree with this statement. Despite having the Nebraska name, when they go down to Texas they fall in line behind Texas and OU and they get about 10%-25% of the players that are their first choice. Compare that to Texas that probably gets anywhere from 75%-90% of their first choice players.

I had that exact discussion with one of their coaches this weekend.

And before you throw their recruiting under the bus, Callahan did have a #5 ranked class in one season while he was at Nebraska. However, many of the players they recruited did not develop as they expected.
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Which coach were you talking to? That is true with the the deal in texas they are getting approximately half of their class from texas this year and they have some coaches with good texas ties as well as the fact that pelini has his reputation to sell in addition to the game day experience there. In regards to Cosgrove you cannot deny however that the players he had access to were better at nebraska than what we have here atleast initially and he still couldn't even muster a decent defense.
 

GopherGod said:
I guess my question then is after being with Alvarez for a long time, why didn't alvarez try and get him to stay and promise him the head coaching job at wisconsin after he was done in another year.
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Cosgrove was about 4th in line on that staff to be the next HC and none of them got it.
 



I don't know, but I really hope Brewster gets an assistant defensive coach from the SEC. The name that comes to mind for me is Chuck Heater. Heater would give us an SEC mindset, and last time I checked that was a pretty good thing.
I would like an offensive coordinator from the Big 12 and a defensive coordinator from the SEC.
 

Coz will put a defense on the field that's as good as the players that implement it. His strategy against spread teams has always been a bend but don't break defense. 2 or 3 deep coverage. He gets a lot of heat for that, but we usually did well against those teams when we had good players. We defended Purdue much better than many other Big 10 teams did. Gave up yardage, but usually won the game. The way spread passing offenses have evolved and developed, I don't know if that strategy will be effective now. As the DC, he'll implement whatever scheme the HC wants.

To give you an idea what he can do when he has players, the '98 team was something like #1 Scoring D, #1 Rushing D, #1 Total D, #6 Pass D, #6 Pass Eff D. At his best defending I formation offenses. As others have mentioned, he is a good recruiter.
 

yeah, but those were defenses that were going up against I formations. We live in the spread world today. In the Big 12 Cosgrove proved he can't put up a good defense against the spread.
 

hire him

While I personally would hate the hire, if he could bring Wingo and perhaps Richardson also, I would hire him in a second. You could then fire him next year. 1 year of bad coaching is a worthwhile trade for a combined 9 stars.
 

badgerman27 said:
Coz will put a defense on the field that's as good as the players that implement it. His strategy against spread teams has always been a bend but don't break defense. 2 or 3 deep coverage. He gets a lot of heat for that, but we usually did well against those teams when we had good players. We defended Purdue much better than many other Big 10 teams did. Gave up yardage, but usually won the game. The way spread passing offenses have evolved and developed, I don't know if that strategy will be effective now. As the DC, he'll implement whatever scheme the HC wants.

To give you an idea what he can do when he has players, the '98 team was something like #1 Scoring D, #1 Rushing D, #1 Total D, #6 Pass D, #6 Pass Eff D. At his best defending I formation offenses. As others have mentioned, he is a good recruiter.
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I don't care what level of talent you give him he cannot coach. During his 4 year tenure at Nebraska he coached 14 defensive players that are currently on NFL rosters and several of them are starting in the NFL currently and he still had some of the worst defenses in the country. He also cannot put the blame on the offense not helping the defense out as happened here this year some. The Nebraska offenses during his tenure were some of the most successful and high scoring in the NCAA.
 

lawrence21 said:
While I personally would hate the hire, if he could bring Wingo and perhaps Richardson also, I would hire him in a second. You could then fire him next year. 1 year of bad coaching is a worthwhile trade for a combined 9 stars.
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You recruiting fans are starting to drive me up the f'ing wall.
 

Nate! Don't you know...

NateDawgUM said:
You recruiting fans are starting to drive me up the f'ing wall.
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the recruiting star system is perfect. It's a 100% indication of how good players will be, and coaching does not matter - it's all about rankings. I'd rather have 9 stars combined than a really good coordinator. Live and die by that, my friend. :rolleyes:
 

I am sure Maturi would be fine with this hire as we all know he stills gets wood thinking about his days at Wisconsin(his dream job) and would love nothing better than to hire as many coaches with Wisconsin ties as possible. If Brewster does hire Cosgrove it will have to go down as one of the worst hires in Gopher sports history and will cement in my mind that Brewster does not have a clue how to be a head coach and it will show how his lack of coordinator or head coaching experience has caught up to him. We already have a head coach whose coaching abilities are yet to be seen and now a coordinator as well. You can recruit all the talent you want but still have to have someone to coach them and we also have to be realistic that we are probably never going to recruit classes like the Florida, Texas, and USC programs.
 

a coach can't do much without players that can play, and we have had kids play here who should have quit football after pop warner. The most important part of the season is signing day.
 

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