Leidner Out Vs. MD

[dpodoll68]

If it wasn’t for these athleticism “facts”, guys like Larry Bird and Wayne Gretzky would have never played in the NBA or NHL. How else do you think they got evaluated and ended up in the pros? Everyone knows only the most athletic make it and these guys were clearly the most athletic players ever in their respective sports. Ever!

If athleticism were all that mattered for playing in the NBA or NHL, you'd have a point. Athleticism is one piece of the puzzle that can be measured and verified. Clearly MaroonGold1 has measured and verified Leidner's and Rhoda's athleticism and found the latter superior. Or he is simply talking out of his ass because he hates Leidner. I can't decide which.

 

[MaroonGold1]

I did not tell you athleticism rankings is a fact. That's a lie. I said that athleticism is verifiable, and it is. How did you verify it?

I didn't say who the better athlete is. I don't know. Neither do you. That's the entire point. That doesn't stop you from proclaiming a fact-based proposition based on your opinion (arrived at based on comparing a very large sample size in actual competition vs. a limited sample size in practice).

Re: Athleticism: "I'm basing it off of my eyes. Since it is my opinion" - me
"It's a verifiable point of fact, not an opinion" - you

"You think "athleticism" is a fact?" - me
"Yes, it absolutely is. " - you

Did you forget what you wrote an hour ago or something? I literally called it my opinion since Player A vs Player B "athleticism" is opinion, not fact.

Who runs a faster 40 time - that is a fact. Who is a better athlete between Player A and Player B, that is an opinion. Since there is no measure of what makes someone a better athlete than someone else.

If you need any other help with simple terms and concepts like these feel free to let me know

 

[dpodoll68]

Re: Athleticism: "I'm basing it off of my eyes. Since it is my opinion" - me
"It's a verifiable point of fact, not an opinion" - you

"You think "athleticism" is a fact?" - me
"Yes, it absolutely is. " - you

Did you forget what you wrote an hour ago or something? I literally called it my opinion since Player A vs Player B "athleticism" is opinion, not fact.

I didn't write a single thing about "athleticism rankings" anywhere. You're lying. I said that athleticism is a fact, and it is. I also never said which is the better athlete. Nobody knows who is, including you. Indeed, that's the entire point. Player A vs. Player B is not opinion, it is a fact. Just because it hasn't been tested doesn't mean that it isn't verifiable. You're free to say "Muggsy Bogues is taller than Manute Bol" and call it your opinion, but it's not an opinion, it's a statement of fact that is provable or disprovable. Athleticism is a testable and verifiable series of measurements, not an opinion.

 

[Dano564]

But as you said it would be impossible to check every player after every hit and you also have to factor the time factor in, in that you only have a finite amount of time between plays so there isn't a big window to really check for symptoms when the player at least appears to be ok. I think Claeys defense in this particular case is 100% valid because watching the film of how Mitch was acting I certainly didn't see anything that screamed concussion to me.

The other thing at play in all this is that as fans we see the play on the big screen in slow mo and from a high angle, on the sidelines they don't get nearly the same view of what happened so it is tough to say how everything looked from their perspective at the time. Bottom line in my amateur opinion at least, I don't think the team did anything wrong in terms of how they handled the in game situation.

If college and pro sports wanted to take this seriously, they could install helmet sensors which would gauge any hit that could be capable of causing brain trauma. The problem is, these sensors would be going off after almost every play and they would run out of players.

 

[MaroonGold1]

I didn't write a single thing about "athleticism rankings" anywhere. You're lying. I said that athleticism is a fact, and it is. I also never said which is the better athlete. Nobody knows who is, including you. Indeed, that's the entire point. Player A vs. Player B is not opinion, it is a fact. Just because it hasn't been tested doesn't mean that it isn't verifiable. You're free to say "Muggsy Bogues is taller than Manute Bol" and call it your opinion, but it's not an opinion, it's a statement of fact that is provable or disprovable. Athleticism is a testable and verifiable series of measurements, not an opinion.

I literally have no idea what you are trying to say anymore, and I'm sure no one else does either. Have a good day

"Don't battle wits with an unarmed man"

 

[dpodoll68]

I literally have no idea what you are trying to say anymore, and I'm sure no one else does either. Have a good day

Good way of trying to get out of continuing to look stupid without admitting so. Nice work.

I'd also like to point out that you had ~200 posts in 7+ years, and then suddenly can't stop posting as soon as the Gophers go on a losing streak and Leidner gets hurt. I'm sure those two items are merely coincidental.

 

[A_Slab_of_Bacon]

I literally have no idea what you are trying to say anymore, and I'm sure no one else does either. Have a good day

"Don't battle wits with an unarmed man"

You seem to be continuously confused as to what others are saying. It's you dude.

 

[dpodoll68]

You seem to be continuously confused as to what others are saying. It's you dude.

The ex post facto Churchill "quote" (misquoted, of course) is what really seals it for me.

 

[MaroonGold1]

Good way of trying to get out of continuing to look stupid without admitting so. Nice work.

I'd also like to point out that you had ~200 posts in 7+ years, and then suddenly can't stop posting as soon as the Gophers go on a losing streak and Leidner gets hurt. I'm sure those two items are merely coincidental.

Yes, I looked stupid... not the person who said athleticism is a fact.. based on 7 different measurements and 3 etcs... but no basis for totaling those up and arriving at the athleticism score that the fact is ranked by

I logged in to post that Leidner had a concussion, which I knew on Saturday and wasn't announced until yesterday afternoon. But thanks for the concern

 

[dpodoll68]

Yes, I looked stupid... not the person who said athleticism is a fact.. based on 7 different measurements and 3 etcs... but no basis for totaling those up and arriving at the athleticism score that the fact is ranked by

Things that require multiple pieces of data to be verified aren't facts? Interesting.

FYI, typically when people say "have a good day" that means that they're done talking.

 

[MaroonGold1]

Things that require multiple pieces of data to be verified aren't facts? Interesting.

FYI, typically when people say "have a good day" that means that they're done talking.

For like the 10th time. 40 yard dash: Timed, verifiable. 4.2 seconds 40 is faster than 4.6 seconds 40. That is a fact. Same with shuttle drill, vertical leap, etc.

To use the other posters example. Larry Bird vs Wayne Gretzky. There is no right or wrong answer, or "Fact" on "Who is more athletic" Because the term "athleticism" is not measured, timed, etc.

 

[MNGoldenGophers1]

For like the 10th time. 40 yard dash: Timed, verifiable. 4.2 seconds 40 is faster than 4.6 seconds 40. That is a fact. Same with shuttle drill, vertical leap, etc.

To use the other posters example. Larry Bird vs Wayne Gretzky. There is no right or wrong answer, or "Fact" on "Who is more athletic" Because the term "athleticism" is not measured, timed, etc.

To answer your earlier question, it's a tie but neither is more athletic than Dan Marino. No one had the athleticism to hang in the pocket the way he did and that my friend is a fact!

 

[dpodoll68]

There is no right or wrong answer, or "Fact" on "Who is more athletic" Because the term "athleticism" is not measured, timed, etc.

There is a right or wrong answer. It is verifiable. Just because it hasn't been tested doesn't mean it can't be.

 

[MNVCGUY]

So to recap for those that don't want to sift through the last 4-5 pages.....Leidner is still listed as out for the Maryland game and Rhoda is currently listed as the starter on the position chart that the team released. If you would like to read a detailed argument on the concept of athleticism you can refer back to the past few pages and more then likely the next 6 or 7 as well.

 

[MNGoldenGophers1]

So to recap for those that don't want to sift through the last 4-5 pages.....Leidner is still listed as out for the Maryland game and Rhoda is currently listed as the starter on the position chart that the team released. If you would like to read a detailed argument on the concept of athleticism you can refer back to the past few pages and more then likely the next 6 or 7 as well.

And don't forget that Streveler is not a D1 QB.

 

[short ornery norwegian]

This thread falls into the "don't know whether to laugh or cry" category.

Let me try - there are certain measurements for athletic ability - speed, strength, agility, endurance, etc. Those are certainly verifiable.

BUT "athleticism" is a term that, in my opinion, goes beyond the raw numbers. I would say that Shannon Brooks exhibits more "athleticism" than Rodney Smith. Why - he seems to have a little more quickness, and the ability to combine speed and moves in a way to make people miss. There are intangibles involved - and instincts. We talk about athletes being able to "see the field." that is a skill - but a skill that is hard to measure.

Running the read option (something a QB has to do) also takes a certain level of athleticism - the ability to read the defense on the run and make a snap judgement about whether to hand off or keep the ball. Some of that can be learned - some of it is instinctive or just innate.

So, I would say there are measurable levels of athletic ability, but there are also intangibles and instincts that go into the makeup of an athlete.

You may now return to pointless arguing and name-calling. Have you ever considered a career in politics?

 

[ruppertflywheel]

Rhoda throws a better ball than Leidner, and is quicker/more athletic than Leidner? Wow. You all were somehow able to ascertain these things on a guy who has played zero meaningful snaps in his collegiate career? Gotta love the GopherHole.

Have you attended practice? A blind man could see the difference. Every third ball Mitch throws is a wobbler. In the 4 practices I saw Rhoda throws a tight spiral on virtually every throw.
He also threw the deep route very well hitting both Register and Still on fade routes. He is quicker than Mitch. Don't know who would win a foot race between the two, but Rhoda is not slow. Granted, this was practice , but the ability is there if he can handle the pressure and speed of the game.

 

[everybody knows my name]

Chris Streveler had a nice game last week. I know, off topic. Whatever.

University of South Dakota junior quarterback Chris Streveler (Crystal Lake, Ill.) has been named the MVFC Newcomer of the Week as announced Sunday by the conference office. It’s the second time this season Streveler has earned the honor.

Streveler passed for 182 yards, ran for 128 yards and accounted for three touchdowns in South Dakota's 28-25 win against 11th-ranked UNI Saturday inside the DakotaDome. Streveler averaged 10.7 yards per carry against the nation's fourth-best run defense and averaged 22.7 yards per completion. He took the third play of the game 69 yards for a score and a 7-0 lead. He also threw touchdowns of 75 and 29 yards to Tacari Carpenter, and used a 63-yard bomb to Alonge Brooks to set up a 10-yard touchdown run by Trevor Bouma.

Streveler has accounted for 18 of the Coyotes’ 21 touchdowns this season. He leads South Dakota with 830 yards passing and 490 yards rushing...

http://www.kdlt.com/sports/Streveler-Turner-Honored-For-Big-Games/42052768

 

[Spoofin]

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[PMWinSTP]

The hit was ugly, but he looks fine on the next play when you watch the video...

We may be talking about different plays then...the one I'm talking about he definitely was in trouble. Helped up and walked wobbly and slow. Next play was a really bad throw, if I remember correctly.

 

[A_Slab_of_Bacon]

We may be talking about different plays then...the one I'm talking about he definitely was in trouble. Helped up and walked wobbly and slow. Next play was a really bad throw, if I remember correctly.

Possibly, Mitch likes to take hits.

And I like Mitch and all but we would burn all our timeouts if we checked him each time he took a hit and threw a wtf throw ...

 

[Great Plains Gopher]

Yeah, it’s ridiculous to compare Streveler against any of our QB’s since he now plays for an inferior team that could never compete against the likes of a P5 juggernaut like the U.

http://minnesota.sbnation.com/2010/9/12/1685055/top-five-worst-losses-gopher-history

5) South Dakota 41, Minnesota 38 - 11 September 2010

See, it's not the fact that Minnesota lost to South Dakota. After all, on the very same day, a Virginia Tech team that started the season ranked in the nation's Top Ten lost a game to a school named after a President (James Madison), so a loss to a team that's not a FBS school isn't entirely unheard of. But it's the way they lost this game that makes it one of the worst. The Golden Gopher defense simply did not show up against the Coyotes, allowing South Dakota quarterback Dante Warren to rack up 433 yards of total offense and five touchdowns, including a 36-yard run on a bootleg on fourth-and-one that iced the game for the Gophers. When it was all said and done, the Gopher defense had allowed 444 yards of offense. . .yes, Warren literally was the offense for South Dakota in this game. . .and had lost a game that they were expected to win going away.

And, yet, this isn't even the worst loss in the Tim Brewster era. What was? Well, I'm glad you asked.

Good points. We've had ten years of QBs who were not natural runners and were so-so passers. Neither Gray nor Streveler could break through.

 

[Gophers7NatTitlesBadgers0]

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The coaches just never realized what they had in J Parra.

 

[oak_street1981]

You are correct that he is wrong but if you are asserting that the Iowa player led with the crown of his helmet you are wrong about that. The Iowa player turns his head and does not lead with the crown of it and he initiates contact with his right shoulder not the helmet. It was a good clean hit.

I may have been wrong about the way the rule book is written regarding targeting and defensive players, but I have never seen a flag thrown for Targeting or any "defenseless" player type call for a hit on a player running the ball from scrimmage. I have seen late hits, horsecollars, and facemasks called,but never any of these calls being suggested as correct calls against Iowa for the hit on Mitch. You hear pops and cracks all the time when tacklers are lowering their heads and hitting running backs in the hole and on the edge. Smith and Brooks get hit high all the time when they are running.

 

[Triple D]

I can settle the athletic back and forth banter with one simple quote that I just invented:

"Athleticism is like pornography, you know it when you see it"

 

[Pompous Elitist]

So to recap for those that don't want to sift through the last 4-5 pages.....Leidner is still listed as out for the Maryland game and Rhoda is currently listed as the starter on the position chart that the team released. If you would like to read a detailed argument on the concept of athleticism you can refer back to the past few pages and more then likely the next 6 or 7 as well.

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[HoustonTXGopher]

I just watched the entire 4th quarter and never once did the announcers mention that Leidner looked out of the ordinary. I never saw anything from Leidner that looked like he was concussed and he was right in the middle of his coaches many times. To compare this to the Michigan game a couple years ago is ludicrous. I have said many times that watching Leidner play is only possible with alcohol present, but I sure hope he feels better soon, wouldn't wish this on anyone Carry on!

 

[PMWinSTP]

I just watched the entire 4th quarter and never once did the announcers mention that Leidner looked out of the ordinary. I never saw anything from Leidner that looked like he was concussed and he was right in the middle of his coaches many times. To compare this to the Michigan game a couple years ago is ludicrous. I have said many times that watching Leidner play is only possible with alcohol present, but I sure hope he feels better soon, wouldn't wish this on anyone Carry on!

So the camera was always on him, right? I was at the game. There clearly was a play later in the 4th quarter where he gets knocked down and needs help getting up...then wobbly walks a few steps. I turned to the guy next to me and said that he looked out of it. Thought at that time they should have taken him out. I think the next series he threw an interception.

 

[Deleted_User]

Can TCF be converted to a non contact sport arena, maybe along the lines of Wimbledon? May have to convert the grass to a shorter turf. With all the talk of TC in conspiracy, Leidner as walking concussed, and the meaning of athleticism being more than a bench press and a cone to cone run, I'm feeling like tennis is a better fit for most Minnesota fans.

I'm selling sweat bands, gut strings and Bjorn Borg wigs for you fans. I'm sure we could fundraise our way to the top of the world rankings in Tennis if we build a facility that includes an MRI machine for fans of football to admire.

 

[oak_street1981]

You're ready to give up on a QB because as a true freshman thrown into his first college game he looked raw, skinny and scared?

No I am not giving up on Croft despite what we all saw last year. He probably can be very good at some point but he clearly is not much better right now and the "save the redshirt" spin Claeys put out is 100% BS. TC is up against the wall, and he is going to play the best QB he can to preserve his job if Mitch cannot play. Rhoda is better than Demry Croft right now