Reminds me of the NW QB that ran all over us for two years.
It's just you.Agreed! We are the University of Minnesota. We should be getting big names. I would feel better if he was thinking about going to USC, OSU, or FSU. We are suppose to be happy because we took somebody away from SDSU? Oh weary me... Has the bar been set extremely low or is it just me?
It's just you.
I know everyone is talking about having plenty of QB depth, but I don't know that that's the case.
Gray is a senior.
Shortell is a Soph and not changing positions.
Foreman - some say he may be more of a wildcat, change of pace QB. Others have said he may change positions.
Nelson.
Leidner - people say he may switch positions.
Which means, after Gray, we have two QBs and two guys who may switch positions. That's not a lot. So, now we add a guy who may be a diamond in the rough - or who may change positions.
Maybe it's not such a good idea to offer a MAC level quarterback.Here's who Streveler reminds me of at this point:
Chandler Harnish didn't have any other offers when he committed to Northern Illinois in August 2006 (see Rivals link below, Harnish was a 2-star QB). Rivals says he was only looked at by Ball State. He ran a 4.66 40 coupled with a 3.96
As a senior, he threw for 28 TD's with only 6 interceptions. The 6'2" QB ran for another 1300 yards and 11 TD's.
He was 14 of 24 against Wisconsin for 160 yards in his only game against a Big Ten opponent as a senior.
As a junior, he torched Illinois and beat Minnesota in Big Ten competition.
Vs. Illinois: Air: 19-25, 208 yards Ground: 11 rushes, 101 yards
Vs Minnesota: 11-17, 70 yards (their tailback had a monster game)
Source for recruiting info: http://rivals.yahoo.com/minnesota/f...rnish-53156;_ylt=AlUUnfjXc9RUc.XU8KiByzPUspB4
Maybe it's not such a good idea to offer a MAC level quarterback.
When have the gophers ever had a qb that would've been the best QB in the MAC?
Adam Weber.
I don't think Shortell and Leidner are ideal for this offense anyway. Streveler looks like a better fit. He might not have the offers, but it is only June, and it's not like he wasn't on anyone's radar.
Adam Weber?? He was never better then Harnish, LeFevour, or Nate Davis. Going back further you have Leftwich, Roethlisberger, Pennington, Omar Jacobs. All these guys were at the VERY least equal to any qb we've had in recent history.
He had more offers than any of these guys out of high school if he would of went to the MAC i guarantee he would of had more success than any of those quarterbacks.
Your logic is incredibly flawed. Don't get me wrong, I think that Adam Weber is and was a very good QB who's lack of success had more to do with the coach and team around him than his own skill level (although he was not without his faults), but if you think that had he gone to a MAC school he would have been better than Ben Roethlisberger was then you are delusional. Same goes for Leftwich and Pennington. The other people on the list are arguable as well but the three I mentioned above were top 20 NFL Draft picks. Are you saying that if Weber went to say Miami University he would have also been a top 20 pick? I think virtually everyone, and I don't just mean on this board, would disagree.
Wha??? Why did Limegrover and Kill recruit him? Why has he practiced at QB? Am I missing something?
If Weber was on a better team he would have done better.
Wha??? Why did Limegrover and Kill recruit him? Why has he practiced at QB? Am I missing something?
I don't disagree with you in the least bit. In fact, I mentioned in my post that I think that Weber's lack of success as a Golden Gopher (from a team perspective anyway) was due more to the lack of talent around him, the constant changing of the system, and the lack of coaching ability of one Tim Brewster. However, IMO the notion that had Weber played in the MAC he would have had a more successful college career than Ben Roethlisberger, Chad Pennington, and Byron Leftwich is ridiculous. Again, I think that Weber was a very good college quarterback who overcame quite a bit to have the mediocre success that he had here, I just don't at all agree with what JohnnyBoy18 posted.
My whole point was we could do a hell of a lot worse then having a "mac level" qb.
I don't disagree with you in the least bit. In fact, I mentioned in my post that I think that Weber's lack of success as a Golden Gopher (from a team perspective anyway) was due more to the lack of talent around him, the constant changing of the system, and the lack of coaching ability of one Tim Brewster. However, IMO the notion that had Weber played in the MAC he would have had a more successful college career than Ben Roethlisberger, Chad Pennington, and Byron Leftwich is ridiculous. Again, I think that Weber was a very good college quarterback who overcame quite a bit to have the mediocre success that he had here, I just don't at all agree with what JohnnyBoy18 posted.
Obviously it's ridiculous to talk about wouldas and couldas, but weber threw for 2800 yards and 24 tds as freshman and was all big ten as a sophomore. It's not out of the realm of imagination to believe that he might have developed into a top 20 draft pick and on par with those qbs had he had a better environment to play in.
The problem with this line of logic is that for every Boise State there are 100 small programs that suck.You might want to look into how TCU and Boise State have recruited recruit lower rated and been very successful to better understanding what Coach Kill is doing. Particularly the early years at TCF for Coach Patterson before he was able to recruit higher rated recruits.
Obviously it's ridiculous to talk about wouldas and couldas, but weber threw for 2800 yards and 24 tds as freshman and was all big ten as a sophomore. It's not out of the realm of imagination to believe that he might have developed into a top 20 draft pick and on par with those qbs had he had a better environment to play in.
Weber is also a #2 QB on an NFL team. Probably puts him as a top 100 QB in the world.
Weber is also a #2 QB on an NFL team. Probably puts him as a top 100 QB in the world.
Of course it's possible, although incredibly highley unlikely.
Weber had a pretty good set up here though. He didn't have any competition, he started all 4 seasons, he passed a lot, he had Decker for 3 seasons. . .
While the Brew years weren't good for the program, it's hard to argue that they weren't somewhat beneficial to Adam Weber. It seems a bit misleading to point to Weber's stats in our program and then argue that if it wasn't for the state of our program he would have been better.
Adam Weber had every opportunity to succeed and in a lot of ways he did succeed. I just think it's a giant leap to assume that the U held him back in any way. He started 4 years, played all the time, threw all the time, and had a legit NFL WR for 3 of those years.
Hey John. How many time have you seen this kid play or even evaluated him at camp? Kill wants him and thats is good enough for me. JERRY, JERRY, JERRY!!!!!!!!!!