Gutless Playcalling

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That running the ball is not conservative comment made me think of @RememberMurray

Haven’t seen him around lately?? Hope all is well …
 

MNVCGUY said:
I'm finally fully on board with some of the complaints many of you have had about offensive philosophy. The only chance you have to spring an upset against a team like Ohio State is to be aggressive and maximize every possession.

I can be ok with the idea of a punt from the opponents 43 if you are aggressively going after the first down and come up short. But in a game where you can't run, calling running plays on 3rd and 5 or 3rd and 6 isn't going to get it done. At least try a pass.....

Against a team like Ohio State any drive that gets into their territory should probably be viewed as 4 down territory. Especially knowing they are likely to drive down the field once they get the ball back.

I am firmly against the crowd saying Fleck should be fired after this year but I really hope he takes a hard look at some things after this season and makes some changes.
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I think it will take a lot of criticism from respected fans like you to make PJ take a walk in the wilderness and reconsider his approach.

MN was very unlikely to win that game but PJ gave them no chance at all. That’s sad for the players, the fans, and the staff.
 

If we threw the ball 50 times...Ohio State could have scored 100. Would you like that?

In these mis-matches....the respectable thing to do is for us to run time off the clock, and them to take it a little easy and not run up the score.
 


Breakin' The Plane said:
If I didn't know better, I'd swear that making comments like, "I don't have a chip on my shoulder, I have a crack" and "I eat difficult conversations for breakfast" were nothing more than pure balderdash, and in no way, shape or form indicative of the type of person the current coach of the Gopher football team actually is.
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He is disappointing

I don’t really like the new Oc philosophically

I feel like it is harder to build an identity with what we are doing than what we were doing under KC.
At the same time.
I can’t blame him for drops.
I can’t blame him for misfires by the QB they miss wide open wideouts.

And the defense has really been the issue more than the offense against Purdue, Illinois, and northwestern
Tim from Rosemount said:
I still harken back to the outback bowl when Matt Simon called a perfect game. They want to keep him as co-offensive coordinator and not call plays? If he’s that bad, why don’t they fire him or why doesn’t he quit. Harbaugh is awful.
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Gilthorp57 said:
Reading comprehension may help you, I said Maybe...i never said Hazzel was a better coach. And for your information, I forgot he had a stop Kent State. No need to be an arrogant asshole.
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Being factually correct is arrogant?
 



EasyThere Pilgrim said:
Here we go again. I started reading this thread...but couldn't continue. As usual, everyone blames the coaching/playcalling.

The issue is talent, period.
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Talent cures a lot of ills, for sure. Of course, there are endless examples of “talented” teams that underperform.

Not quite sure I understand your argument, as it all falls at the foot of the same individual, PJ. When you’re the coach, GM, and president of the team as you are in college, whether it’s an in-game strategy issue, a recruiting issue, or a play calling issue, you’re the one doing all the hiring/firing and making all the decisions, so it doesn’t really matter what the issue is at the end of the day.
 



Gilthorp57 said:
The name calling is unnecessary. You can make your point without that.
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I never called you a name
I described you as insane for thinking one of the worst coaches in the history of the conference is maybe as good as someone who is clearly not one of the worst coaches in the history of the big ten.

And I will stand by it. I think your name is Gilthorp57
And I think you are insane
 


forever a gopher said:
Run/pass ratio is but one indicator of his conservatism. I started a list/diatribe, but it’s like yelling at the wind at this point, so I gave up. It’s merely one indicator on his philosophy that continues to crush a square peg into a circle hole, no matter what shaped hole is available.
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I would’ve preferred we hired a different OC with a more innovated pass scheme.

I don’t think it’ll happen under fleck. So we are what we are.
1 or 2 more chances to make a run I think.
 

Ski-U-Mahed said:
Oregon State head coach would be a good fit here and unless something changes they'll be in a lesser 5 conference next which is a worse TV deal than what the PAC currently has and the university will lose millions. Get him before it's too late.
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Oregon state coach is an Oregon state alum
Don’t think he would leave unless it is for an absolute huge sum of money
 



EasyThere Pilgrim said:
Here we go again. I started reading this thread...but couldn't continue. As usual, everyone blames the coaching/playcalling.

The issue is talent, period.
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Good coaches coach up their talent. Look at Barry Alvarez and Kirk Feritz. Never once did these guys have a top 25 class but still won 9 or more games in the regular season. Their rosters were filled with 3 star kids and still competed every year for a B1G title. Stop making excuses for a guy who can't coach.
 

Ski-U-Mahed said:
Good coaches coach up their talent. Look at Barry Alvarez and Kirk Feritz. Never once did these guys have a top 25 class but still won 9 or more games in the regular season. Their rosters were filled with 3 star kids and still competed every year for a B1G title. Stop making excuses for a guy who can't coach.
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Through 7 seasons Alvarez was 22-32-3 in conference
He had 5 seasons under .500 in conference
He had one shared big ten title where he didn’t beat the other team in 1St place and didn’t play the team in third place

Through 7 season fleck is 29-30 in conference
He has 4 seasons under .500 in conference
He has zero shared big ten titles


I am not saying fleck is better than Alvarez. He isn’t.

I am saying you are wrong that every year Alvarez competed for a big ten title.
Alvarez was .500 or worse in conference 9 times in 16 years.
 

EasyThere Pilgrim said:
If we threw the ball 50 times...Ohio State could have scored 100. Would you like that?

In these mis-matches....the respectable thing to do is for us to run time off the clock, and them to take it a little easy and not run up the score.
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Okay, but then we can pay somebody way less than PJ makes to accomplish 34 point losses. And we don’t have to embarrassed by silly antics like rowing the cock and sprinting down the field to to have public make out sessions.
 

WoodburyTim said:
Okay, but then we can pay somebody way less than PJ makes to accomplish 34 point losses. And we don’t have to embarrassed by silly antics like rowing the cock and sprinting down the field to to have public make out sessions.
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Sorry you are embarassed
Happy you pull through
Thoughts and prayers
 

forever a gopher said:
Run/pass ratio is but one indicator of his conservatism. I started a list/diatribe, but it’s like yelling at the wind at this point, so I gave up. It’s merely one indicator on his philosophy that continues to crush a square peg into a circle hole, no matter what shaped hole is available.
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Agree. But if we were 50/50 PJ would still be conservative as hell.
Against Nebraska we were 70% passing and still super conservative that game

Was more the point I was making
 

EasyThere Pilgrim said:
Here we go again. I started reading this thread...but couldn't continue. As usual, everyone blames the coaching/playcalling.

The issue is talent, period.
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I see it slightly differently.

the job of a coach is to put players in a position where they have the highest chance of success and the lowest risk of failure.

So if a QB throws one type of route well, you call more of those plays. if a QB does not throw a different type of route well, you call less of those plays.

same holds true for WR's, RB's and coverage schemes for DB's.

give me the best talent, and it's easy to look good. the real challenge for a coaching staff is trying to get the most out of the available talent. that is where coaching - or the lack thereof - can really make a difference.
 


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Through 7 seasons Alvarez was 22-32-3 in conference
He had 5 seasons under .500 in conference
He had one shared big ten title where he didn’t beat the other team in 1St place and didn’t play the team in third place

Through 7 season fleck is 29-30 in conference
He has 4 seasons under .500 in conference
He has zero shared big ten titles


I am not saying fleck is better than Alvarez. He isn’t.

I am saying you are wrong that every year Alvarez competed for a big ten title.
Alvarez was .500 or worse in conference 9 times in 16 years.
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Well, 10-1-1 and Rose Bowl win in 1993 with us giving him the only loss. I think us diehards would build a PJ statue if that happened. It was year 3 or 4 for Barry, OC was Brad Childress, UGH!
 

WoodburyTim said:
I appreciate your concern Some Guy.

If you are a grown man pretending to paddle a boat and 5-6 in an awful Bjg Ten West, there is something concerning about NOT being embarrassed.
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I’m not sure you’ll pull through
 

Tim from Rosemount said:
Well, 10-1-1 and Rose Bowl win in 1993 with us giving him the only loss. I think us diehards would build a PJ statue if that happened. It was year 3 or 4 for Barry, OC was Brad Childress, UGH!
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Correct. It was easier back then when you didn’t have to beat anyone in the top of the conference to win it.

Point I was more making is Alvarez had his ups and downs. He did not compete for championships every year.
He was .500’or worse in conference 57% of the time


50% of the time he competed for championships every time
 

Some guy said:
Oregon state coach is an Oregon state alum
Don’t think he would leave unless it is for an absolute huge sum of money
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He has no conference and after his QB is done might as well be a poor man’s New Mexico St. I don’t think money is the issue.
 

Tim from Rosemount said:
He has no conference and after his QB is done might as well be a poor man’s New Mexico St. I don’t think money is the issue.
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They won 10 games and finished top 20 with a different QB last year

He has lifetime job security at Oregon state,
Or he can go to a place like Minnesota go 37- 20 and get run out of town
 

He coached to protect the young linebackers. Unfortunately for Fleck, Rossi and the defense showed up. That made his offense look worse because he was hoping tOSU would make a mistake. They didn’t. They just took their FG’s as they knew MN would eventually make the mistake.
 

EasyThere Pilgrim said:
Here we go again. I started reading this thread...but couldn't continue. As usual, everyone blames the coaching/playcalling.

The issue is talent, period.
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Yet you don't want to do what it takes to get the talent needed to win. That's assuming we even could. You'd be happy cheering for some mediocre minor league team that runs a clean program. I'd rather cheer for a sleazy, corrupt program that wins, as long as they're smart enough to not get caught. Granted, in this market, the press doesn't protect the program like in other markets (see Haskins, Clem)
 

Some guy said:
I’m not sure you’ll pull through
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There is always a chance I make it, right?

I am not gonna just slam the ball into the proverbial line of life even if it doesn’t seem like I have a chance.

I’ll put it this way. Why just row my boat into the current, when I could put up the sails and possibly catch the wind?
 

WoodburyTim said:
There is always a chance I make it, right?

I am not gonna just slam the ball into the proverbial line of life even if it doesn’t seem like I have a chance.

I’ll put it this way. Why just row my boat into the current, when I could put up the sails and possibly catch the wind?
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I hope you put up your sails and go be a fan of another team
You have bad vibes
 

Some guy said:
Agree. But if we were 50/50 PJ would still be conservative as hell.
Against Nebraska we were 70% passing and still super conservative that game

Was more the point I was making
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I guess he knows he is safe so why change. I think the Gophs are at the start of slowly regressing. He gets another year for sure. I don't think Coyle makes a move unless it's really apparent the wheels are coming off next year.
 

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