I am not interested in negative gossip and speculation. I am interested when Ben brings in recruits and I come to the Gopherhole to read about who is here, not who is gone or not coming.
It depends. Do they openly despise Ben Johnson and think he's incompetent and dressed poorly? I have not read of one of them saying such things.
Like @Holy Man alluded to, the early returns on Coach Johnson are quite unimpressive. Winners are good at winning. Whether it is in retention battles, recruiting battles, public support, basketball games, or whatever, winners compete at everything and produce results. Coach Johnson has produced very few results so far and his big battles (retention, recruiting, and hiring assistant coaches), have been quite unimpressive. Mark Coyle and the U leadership took a sizable risk in hiring Coach Johnson, and so far the risks have borne out.
Then your on the wrong site.
I think you are right to say that "it depends". It certainly does depend on how badly Ben really wanted them and how much he thought they might be willing and able to change to fit what he wants to build. I absolutely cannot believe that he couldn't have used any of them. But he may well have been pretty passive in re-recruiting some of them as may have doubted their fit going forward.
"Have you considered they are all tired of the relentless bullshit from so called fans?", you framed it as a question sure, but in a way that implies it is true but that I had never thought about it. Stop backtracking.
I fully agree with the first sentence. Kind of weird to follow it up with the second sentence as I never claimed anyone should care what I say. I was responding to someone else who is trying to hold the fan base responsible for the current state of the program. If you have something to add, feel free.
No backtrack. Just pointing out how you twisted what I actually said and turned it into something I didn't actually assert. I asked a question. You are free to answer the question. Stop trying to justify your falsehood.
Well, he’s on the Verbal Commits portal list (which seems to be much more up to date than 24/7). I saw his name there before I found it mentioned here. So I believe he’s in the portal.
Why pose the question in that way then? I think I made my answer clear with every response, it is obviously no. BTW, you posed that question on the back of calling the majority of this board racist because you don't like the criticism you have read. Seems like you have a personal beef with the fan base at the moment, or GH at the least.
Now you question why I asked the question in a certain way. Just admit you turned my question into a statement and thus changed what I said. Then move on.
I will certainly now take it as a question, a question we seemingly agree on the answer to since you won't say otherwise. I am glad that is cleared up, thanks!
Are you always this deceptive? Can you not admit you were wrong?
I stand on the side of thinking we rushed the hiring process leaving us short of hiring the best possible candidate, whoever that may have been. I haven't really said anything about Ben as a coach because we don't know anything about Ben as a coach. I had asked for more insight into the style of play he plans on implementing, but was told that was a really entitled question to ask at this point. Where I stand? LOL stop with that tribal talk, we are ALL Gopher fans here, we ALL want them to win, even if some have more pessimistic takes than others at this point.
You have to give him time for sure but from a fan perspective it is going to be a long term turnaround, with the results we have seen in the last decade that is just hard to swallow. It is pretty obvious that Johnson isn't going to provide a quick fix and we probably won't see anything until year 3 at the earliest. Might be time to take a sabbatical from Gopher basketball.
This is spot on. Unrelated to the above, in regard to racism, white guys are judged on their potential, minorities are judged on their accomplishments. So Pitino was given a pass and Ben is dragged over the coals when neither had a deep resume. Pitino's shortcomings became apparent quite early on but he was given extended contracts despite them because I guess of his potential. We'll see how Ben is treated...but so far, he hasn't been given any kind of benefit of the doubt that would be given a white dude.
Other than being hired you mean... Which is all about potential of being a Head Coach at a B1G program and not about his "accomplishments", since he's never been a Head Coach, even at a lower level.
I agree your scenario is far more likely, the problem is the fan base. Without that class selling season ticket holders and the like is going to be difficult at best. Coyle painted himself and first time coach in one crazy corner.
I realize Gach was bad last year but I do think there is something there. He is a good athlete who appears at times to have good skills.
