Gopher Fans are crazy to call for Tubby’s head after just 4+ seasons

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Gopher Warrior said:
Very true. Completely different situations, but one thing I4 had going for him even when his teams were pathetic were great future commitments who wanted to come to Indiana and play for them.

Zeller is excellent, but next year the large groups of reinforcements begin to arrive... and it hardly stops with the 2012 class. Indiana's commitment board has been filled with 2014 studs for quite some time - if Tubby had a couple of 2014 commitments before this year even started, as well as great 2012 & 2013 classes, some people would be singing a different tune.

Smith's issue isn't just the results on the floor, but the view of the future (although I do believe a lot of fans have a rosy view of next year... maybe it's just wishful thinking).
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And maybe it's the truth.
 

beavergopher said:
If Tubby was so great he would still be coaching at Kentucky. He underperformed with the Rolls Royce of b-ball programs. He is a good coach, but not worth 2 million. We lost to a team with a great coach, Tom Izzo, who built his own program up to an elite status. He has taken MSU to six final fours. Tubby won a NC with Pitino's players. How many Final Fours did Tubby take UK to?
Coaches normally get four or five years and then get canned if they are not producing.............like Mr Smith.
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Explain to me then why Tubby can last 10 years at Kentucky but you can justify canning Tubby after year 5? This goes back to my main point. The fact of the matter is that Tubby has been producing up to January 2011. Yes. the last calender year has been brutal; before that he was producing at a higher level than any Gophers coach since Clem in the early 90's, and even then Clem's records should be thrown out.

You're right, Tubby won a national championship with Pitino's recruits. However, he still had to coach from 16 down against Duke in the Tourney; he still made two Elite 8's without Pitino's recruits; he still went undefeated in the SEC. Going undefeated in a conference is quite impressive. I can't remember the last time a B1G team has gone undefeated in conference play? Indiana?
 

bga1 said:
He gets one more year from me. Not two. Over the next 12 months we will find out:

1. What our latest recruiting class looks like in terms of potential
2. Whether we have continued the rapid fire turnover or has he stabilized the ship
3. What he can do (assuming minimal or no turnover) with a now veteran roster that has 100% players of his choosing.
4. If he reaches the NCAAs and finishes in the top 5 next year. That's a minimum bar for me next year.
5. What kind of class he signs next fall.
6. What kind of work this squad put in over the summer to improve.
7. Is he flexible enough to change his staff and tweak his system to fit the players he has brought in
8. How have the fans responded to him in terms of season tickets and the premium seating program
9. Does this group begin to show confidence and close out games. No reason we can't be 7-2 or better in the Barn- that's a pre-requisite for program enthusiasm.

Right now the consistent Tubby defenders have a decent case in that he has had a lot of turnover and a couple of key injuries. There is athleticism and potential with this squad. There's enough that some coach can make this a good to very good team. Is that coach Tubby?

The only thing that can further cloud that picture is Rodney leaving or another injury. However, if we have a bad year next year because of either of those issues then I still want to fire him and bring in someone that is lucky. :)

This can't go on forever. Anyone leaving last night could hear mass grumbling mixed with dead silence of others in the hallways of the critter infested Barn. Next year is the year for me to see success here. He can do this.
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+1. Common sense and circumstances dictate we give Tubby next season. Our best option by far is still to hope he can right the ship.
 

He has lost it and is now an average to crappy coach. Like Keady at the end of his tenure at Purdue. Time to move on with a young up and comer. In the Navy, we have a term for the Tubby situation. ROAD. Retired on active duty. If you want to bring up the ass end of the Big 10, give him an extension.
 



BOUNDOUTPASSDUNK said:
After Knight left IU, IU was a mess. Thus it took till the third Zeller for one to stay home once the debris was hauled from the IU program. Is there a lesson to be learned? Tubby is still picking up the pieces, even if it does seem prolonged.
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I think your memory is a tad faulty. After Knight left, IU was NOT a mess. Two years after Knight left, IU won the Big Ten title and played in the National Title game in 2002. In the eight years after Knight was shown the door, IU made six NCAA tourneys, one championship game appearance, had five 20-win seasons, and made an NIT appearance.

Now, after Kelvin Sampson left?? Yes, IU became a mess. And, four years later, IU is on the verge of being back.
 

beavergopher said:
He has lost it and is now an average to crappy coach. Like Keady at the end of his tenure at Purdue. Time to move on with a young up and comer. In the Navy, we have a term for the Tubby situation. ROAD. Retired on active duty. If you want to bring up the ass end of the Big 10, give him an extension.
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Gene Keady was 68 when he left the Purdue program; Tubby is 60. Keady made the NCAA tourney when he was 65. Tubby has got some coaching left in him. Besides Purdue had their guy in Matt Painter and the uncertainty of the future for the Boilmakers was non-existent. If we had a Matt Painter-type assistant here at the U, I think a lot of us would agree that it would a completely different situation than what we currently have.
 

BreakTheGopherCurse said:
We're all "cut from different cloth", so certain ideas hit people very differently. What hit me hard was the above posters statement that "Tubby's best conference record after 5 years will be WORSE than Bo Ryan's worst conference record in his tenure at Wisconsin". It seems to me, this fact is far more interesting and relevant than all the earlier discussion about Coach K, etc.

Perhaps we can chew on this one a little bit. It seems unbelievable to me that Wisconsin can hire this guy Bo Ryan from UofW-Milwaukee by-way-of UofW-Platteville and achieve remarkable success while Minneosta hires one of the biggest names in college basketball who is now 6-21 in his last 27 games in the Big Ten.

So, to those of you who are truly students of college basketball (of which I'm not), please answer these questions (I realize these questions call for speculation only, but isn't that what 99% of this board is about. Also, I realize that many of you are highly sarcastic and highly skeptical individuals. So let me clear up one thing to begin with: these are honest and genuine questions the answers to which I'm truly interested in reading. In other words, I'm not "yanking any chains" here):

1. how come Minnesota never seems to end up with a highly successful hire like Bo Ryan, and Wisconsin does? Is it just luck or has Minnesota always sucked at finding or attracting talent?
2. would Bo Ryan have been as successful at the UofM as he has been at Wisconsin (let's try to ignore his personality for sake of this discussion)
3. would Tubby have had more success at Wisconsin than he's had here?
4. is Tubby an inferior basketball coach compared to Bo Ryan, Tom Crean, Tom Izzo, Bill Carmody, et al, at this point in his life (for example, when I watch Northwestern and Michigan State operate in their half-court offenses, in my mind they truly make Minnesota look like a poorly coached team. This has nothing to do with talent and everything to do with intelligent, keen basketball acumen and execution).
5. in the 4 or 5 years of Tubby's recruiting, has he out-recruited Bo Ryan or under-recruited him? what about the other Big Ten coaches? Wouldn't you think he should be getting many of the best players who opt for the Big Ten? Isn't at least 60% or 70% of a recruit's decision based on the head coach?
6. it seems to me that the Gophers lose lots of fairly close games in sort of the same way. does this mean that our coach doesn't recognize what's wrong and therefore has no chance to change it? for example, towards the end of the games (and I think I watch carefully and try to be objective), our guards dribble around a great deal, often times lose the ball, dribble into corners, dribble into triple coverage down along the baseline and over and over and over pick up their dribble. these are things for which high school coaches bench players (not to mention, rarely do I see one of our players roll the proper way after a screen. this is child-stuff. and it does make a difference). or is it that our players are just don't understand the fundamentals of sound basketball and refuse to learn it?

Okay, I hope you guys will answer as few or as many of these questions as you like. Just pick and choose. I'm very interested in hearing what everyone thinks.
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That one hit me hard too. Same conference, similar geography. I will not call for Tubby to be fired no matter what happens this year. However, if he doesn't make the NCAA's next year, I certainly will be. I'm a results driven guy, so I don't think that I would call Tubby Smith inferior compared to Bill Carmody. He has never taken Northwestern to the tourney, and Tubby has got us there twice. As for the other three coaches you mentioned, lets see what happens next year.
 

tjgopher said:
I think your memory is a tad faulty. After Knight left, IU was NOT a mess. Two years after Knight left, IU won the Big Ten title and played in the National Title game in 2002. In the eight years after Knight was shown the door, IU made six NCAA tourneys, one championship game appearance, had five 20-win seasons, and made an NIT appearance.

Now, after Kelvin Sampson left?? Yes, IU became a mess. And, four years later, IU is on the verge of being back.
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Exactly. Since Bobby Knight has left, Indiana has had more postseason success than the Gophers have had their program's history.
 



EG#9 said:
One of the most disappointing things that has happened over the past two years is the migration of the low expectations crowd from the football board over to the basketball board. It's so pathetic to read these posts excusing poor performance based on history. I guess schools like UConn, Wisconsin, and Baylor should have just closed up shop because Minnesota was a superior program to all 3 historically. I guess Minnesota should be expected to compete for national titles in football with regularity because history shows that very few programs have won 6 of them.

Tubby is 6-21 in his last 27 Big Ten games and 2-10 in his last 12 Big Ten home games.
Tubby's best conference record after 5 years will be WORSE than Bo Ryan's worst conference record in his tenure at Wisconsin.
Tubby was not brought in to Minnesota to go .500 in the conference, much less perform similar to Dan Monson, he was brought in to compete fore conference championships. Thank god, the administration hasn't taken the view of basketball that many have of football or we would have hired a coach for 800K- 1 mil who "understands Minnesota".

I cannot stand the idea that Minnesota should somehow accept not being a Big Ten contender in revenue sports and the "fans" who are willing to accept/justify poor performance are certainly part of the problem.
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I still don't understand how fans can compare Bo Ryan to Tubby Smith? Let's not forget that Bo Ryan took over a Wisconsin program that made the dance 3 straight years before Bo replaced Bennett. In fact, they made the Final Four just two years before Bo Ryan became the head coach. The recruiting footprint at Wisconsin during Bo's 1st year was 180 degrees different than when Tubby took over at the U. Bad Comparison.
 

EG#9 said:
I guess schools like UConn, Wisconsin, and Baylor should have just closed up shop because Minnesota was a superior program to all 3 historically.
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I really want to know the context of this statement before I know how to respond. Are you talking football or basketball?
 

beavergopher said:
If Tubby was so great he would still be coaching at Kentucky. He underperformed with the Rolls Royce of b-ball programs. He is a good coach, but not worth 2 million. We lost to a team with a great coach, Tom Izzo, who built his own program up to an elite status. He has taken MSU to six final fours. Tubby won a NC with Pitino's players. How many Final Fours did Tubby take UK to?
Coaches normally get four or five years and then get canned if they are not producing.............like Mr Smith.
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What is with the misconception that Izzo "built" MSU????? The prior coach won a national title, they signed magic Johnson. All before Izzo. He advanced it, yes, but he in no way built it from the basement up. If Monson had won a national title and signed an all time great talent and then Tubby came in with these results, by all means fire him. Minnesota has not been at the level of MSU for at least 20+ years and yet you expect Tubby to be at that level in five years? Give me a break.

Tubby has been to 2 NCAA tournaments. He's not produced only 2 of the years he's been here You want to fire him for not producing for 2 years, not 4 or 5.
 

BreakTheGopherCurse said:
We're all "cut from different cloth", so certain ideas hit people very differently. What hit me hard was the above posters statement that "Tubby's best conference record after 5 years will be WORSE than Bo Ryan's worst conference record in his tenure at Wisconsin". It seems to me, this fact is far more interesting and relevant than all the earlier discussion about Coach K, etc.

Perhaps we can chew on this one a little bit. It seems unbelievable to me that Wisconsin can hire this guy Bo Ryan from UofW-Milwaukee by-way-of UofW-Platteville and achieve remarkable success while Minneosta hires one of the biggest names in college basketball who is now 6-21 in his last 27 games in the Big Ten.

So, to those of you who are truly students of college basketball (of which I'm not), please answer these questions (I realize these questions call for speculation only, but isn't that what 99% of this board is about. Also, I realize that many of you are highly sarcastic and highly skeptical individuals. So let me clear up one thing to begin with: these are honest and genuine questions the answers to which I'm truly interested in reading. In other words, I'm not "yanking any chains" here):

1. how come Minnesota never seems to end up with a highly successful hire like Bo Ryan, and Wisconsin does? Is it just luck or has Minnesota always sucked at finding or attracting talent?
2. would Bo Ryan have been as successful at the UofM as he has been at Wisconsin (let's try to ignore his personality for sake of this discussion)
3. would Tubby have had more success at Wisconsin than he's had here?
4. is Tubby an inferior basketball coach compared to Bo Ryan, Tom Crean, Tom Izzo, Bill Carmody, et al, at this point in his life (for example, when I watch Northwestern and Michigan State operate in their half-court offenses, in my mind they truly make Minnesota look like a poorly coached team. This has nothing to do with talent and everything to do with intelligent, keen basketball acumen and execution).
5. in the 4 or 5 years of Tubby's recruiting, has he out-recruited Bo Ryan or under-recruited him? what about the other Big Ten coaches? Wouldn't you think he should be getting many of the best players who opt for the Big Ten? Isn't at least 60% or 70% of a recruit's decision based on the head coach?
6. it seems to me that the Gophers lose lots of fairly close games in sort of the same way. does this mean that our coach doesn't recognize what's wrong and therefore has no chance to change it? for example, towards the end of the games (and I think I watch carefully and try to be objective), our guards dribble around a great deal, often times lose the ball, dribble into corners, dribble into triple coverage down along the baseline and over and over and over pick up their dribble. these are things for which high school coaches bench players (not to mention, rarely do I see one of our players roll the proper way after a screen. this is child-stuff. and it does make a difference). or is it that our players are just don't understand the fundamentals of sound basketball and refuse to learn it?

Okay, I hope you guys will answer as few or as many of these questions as you like. Just pick and choose. I'm very interested in hearing what everyone thinks.
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I'll answer your question simply, Wisconsin was already a solid program when Bo took over. Both when Monson and Tubby took over Minnesota was not. It was coming off of its third scandal in an already weak history and hasn't recovered.

So yes, tubby would be much more successful at Wisconsin. Bo would be much less successful at MN.

Bo took over a program who's prior coach went to a final four, and made the NCAA 5 of the prior 8 years. Bo advance it (he's a good coach, just as Tubby is) but he hardly walked into what Tubby or Monson did. The 8 years before Tubby got here there was one NCAA first round exit.

Over the past 20 years Wisconsin has been a much better program than Minnesota, to think Tubby was going to change that in 5 years is just not accurate.

Duke, UK, MSU, KU, UNC, IU, didn't get to their current levels due to one successful coach after 5 years. It usually takes many successful coaches, players, etc over many years. Minnesota has not had that.
 



If we are calling for TUbby's head should Butler be calling for the head of their Coach? I believe Butler has gone to back to back final 4's and arguably have the most sought after head coach in the nation by most AD's and they are only 11-6 in conference this year and 18-12 overall which is basically the same record as the gophers but they do not have a win over a ranked team. How can the hottest coach in NCAA with back to back final fours not get recruits the last 2 years to be competitive in a very weak conference? The same reason the gophers are almost always going to be a middle of the pack team......top recruits do not want to play for a relatively unheard of college regardless of the coach....hence why Ohio State, Wisconson, MSU are tourney teams every year.

Fans in MN think Tubby should have brought us sweet 16 appearances by now and if he cant our next savior should be able to. It is not that easy and if it was MN would have done it in the last TWENTY YEARS but we havnt excpet when we were cheating. Just like football we are and for the most part will always be a mediocre team that has a few really good years and a few really bad years.

The stat I am most impressed with though is Tubby has been here since 2007 and we have 7 wins maybe even more against teams ranked in the top 15. Prior to Tubby our last win against a top 15 team was in 2000. Tubby has us competitive in most every game ie MSU and Wisconsin and he is probably one good recruit (Tyus or Rashaad) away from getting us a few big wins and dacning again in the tournament.

I am not convinced Tubby is as great of a coach as we may have thought but again I am not sure we can get a better one either.
 

GopherGod said:
Why does Tubby repeatedly fail with players on and off the court that are successful elsewhere
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Has this type of thing been the case with Tubby for a long time, or did it just start happening the past few years? Is the past few years an anomaly or is it the norm with him? I honestly don't know.

Is it a lack of respect, poor communication with Tubby, or both?
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It's possible that it's both of these things, but it is also possible that it's neither of these things. You're still making the assumption that Tubby had something to do with both of these players getting in trouble at the U, when he could have had absolutely nothing to do with it. Maybe he tried as hard as he could to help these two guys, and they wouldn't listen. Or maybe they just hung with a bad crowd (which many believe was the case with White, who is now away from his "boys"). Maybe they both needed to grow up a little bit and getting a fresh start somewhere else helped them.

Tubby is the head coach and the person overseeing the program, so he deserves some of the blame for all the transfers. I think most agree with that. But I don't think that necessarily means he did something wrong with them while they were at the U.
 

bleedgold said:
If we are calling for TUbby's head should Butler be calling for the head of their Coach? I believe Butler has gone to back to back final 4's and arguably have the most sought after head coach in the nation by most AD's and they are only 11-6 in conference this year and 18-12 overall which is basically the same record as the gophers but they do not have a win over a ranked team. How can the hottest coach in NCAA with back to back final fours not get recruits the last 2 years to be competitive in a very weak conference? The same reason the gophers are almost always going to be a middle of the pack team......top recruits do not want to play for a relatively unheard of college regardless of the coach....hence why Ohio State, Wisconson, MSU are tourney teams every year.

Fans in MN think Tubby should have brought us sweet 16 appearances by now and if he cant our next savior should be able to. It is not that easy and if it was MN would have done it in the last TWENTY YEARS but we havnt excpet when we were cheating. Just like football we are and for the most part will always be a mediocre team that has a few really good years and a few really bad years.

The stat I am most impressed with though is Tubby has been here since 2007 and we have 7 wins maybe even more against teams ranked in the top 15. Prior to Tubby our last win against a top 15 team was in 2000. Tubby has us competitive in most every game ie MSU and Wisconsin and he is probably one good recruit (Tyus or Rashaad) away from getting us a few big wins and dacning again in the tournament.

I am not convinced Tubby is as great of a coach as we may have thought but again I am not sure we can get a better one either.
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Now that is a solid first post- well done.
 


bleedgold said:
If we are calling for TUbby's head should Butler be calling for the head of their Coach? I believe Butler has gone to back to back final 4's and arguably have the most sought after head coach in the nation by most AD's and they are only 11-6 in conference this year and 18-12 overall which is basically the same record as the gophers but they do not have a win over a ranked team. How can the hottest coach in NCAA with back to back final fours not get recruits the last 2 years to be competitive in a very weak conference? The same reason the gophers are almost always going to be a middle of the pack team......top recruits do not want to play for a relatively unheard of college regardless of the coach....hence why Ohio State, Wisconson, MSU are tourney teams every year.

Fans in MN think Tubby should have brought us sweet 16 appearances by now and if he cant our next savior should be able to. It is not that easy and if it was MN would have done it in the last TWENTY YEARS but we havnt excpet when we were cheating. Just like football we are and for the most part will always be a mediocre team that has a few really good years and a few really bad years.

The stat I am most impressed with though is Tubby has been here since 2007 and we have 7 wins maybe even more against teams ranked in the top 15. Prior to Tubby our last win against a top 15 team was in 2000. Tubby has us competitive in most every game ie MSU and Wisconsin and he is probably one good recruit (Tyus or Rashaad) away from getting us a few big wins and dacning again in the tournament.

I am not convinced Tubby is as great of a coach as we may have thought but again I am not sure we can get a better one either.
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Nice analysis. +1
 

bleedgold said:
If we are calling for TUbby's head should Butler be calling for the head of their Coach? I believe Butler has gone to back to back final 4's and arguably have the most sought after head coach in the nation by most AD's and they are only 11-6 in conference this year and 18-12 overall which is basically the same record as the gophers but they do not have a win over a ranked team. How can the hottest coach in NCAA with back to back final fours not get recruits the last 2 years to be competitive in a very weak conference? The same reason the gophers are almost always going to be a middle of the pack team......top recruits do not want to play for a relatively unheard of college regardless of the coach....hence why Ohio State, Wisconson, MSU are tourney teams every year.

Fans in MN think Tubby should have brought us sweet 16 appearances by now and if he cant our next savior should be able to. It is not that easy and if it was MN would have done it in the last TWENTY YEARS but we havnt excpet when we were cheating. Just like football we are and for the most part will always be a mediocre team that has a few really good years and a few really bad years.

The stat I am most impressed with though is Tubby has been here since 2007 and we have 7 wins maybe even more against teams ranked in the top 15. Prior to Tubby our last win against a top 15 team was in 2000. Tubby has us competitive in most every game ie MSU and Wisconsin and he is probably one good recruit (Tyus or Rashaad) away from getting us a few big wins and dacning again in the tournament.

I am not convinced Tubby is as great of a coach as we may have thought but again I am not sure we can get a better one either.
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You've got to be kidding. Yet another ridiculous distraction technique, all of which was used when Brewster was on the hot seat. You clearly haven't read the majority of this thread where people clearly draw out why Tubby should be on the hot seat. Once again Tubby was hired to elevate the program not have this team at the bottom of the Big Ten for two years, those are the facts and no one wants to hear some cute and contrived comparison to Brad Stevens.
Tubby was suppose to be the best coach in Gopher basketball history, not simply make the Tourny much less finish in the bottom of the Big Ten.
 

goldengophers said:
You've got to be kidding. Yet another ridiculous distraction technique, all of which was used when Brewster was on the hot seat. You clearly haven't read the majority of this thread where people clearly draw out why Tubby should be on the hot seat. Once again Tubby was hired to elevate the program not have this team at the bottom of the Big Ten for two years, those are the facts and no one wants to hear some cute and contrived comparison to Brad Stevens.
Tubby was suppose to be the best coach in Gopher basketball history, not simply make the Tourny much less finish in the bottom of the Big Ten.
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Tubby has had a bad 12 months. There is no denying that. The facts are too that he has dealt with transfers and injuries. You're facts versus my facts. My facts, however, lead to you your facts -- a bad B1G record in the last calender year. Who's to say that Tubby isn't the best coach in Gopher's history? And I'm serious when I say that. You can't include Clem, he cheated. Musselman? Dutcher? Both of them made the dance once! Hooray!

You and you're buddy Kaler can combine your knowledge to find a new "up and comer" that will have the confidence to come into Williams arena after a HOF coach allegedly "failed." You find that guy. The grass is always greener on the other side, isn't it?
 

goldengophers said:
You've got to be kidding. Yet another ridiculous distraction technique, all of which was used when Brewster was on the hot seat. You clearly haven't read the majority of this thread where people clearly draw out why Tubby should be on the hot seat. Once again Tubby was hired to elevate the program not have this team at the bottom of the Big Ten for two years, those are the facts and no one wants to hear some cute and contrived comparison to Brad Stevens.
Tubby was suppose to be the best coach in Gopher basketball history, not simply make the Tourny much less finish in the bottom of the Big Ten.
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Where do you think the program was before Tubby? Honest question to get a better understanding of what "elevate" mean? Did you expect Tubby to go from a 9-22 Monson squad to sweet 16's and final fours in five year? If so, I think you will be demanding a coaching change quite often with many different guys.

Building a program to the level of MSU, tOSU, etc takes much more than 5 years and 1 coach. It takes coaches gradually improving over each other, a series of good to great coaching hires, some good luck, a monetary commitment, and finally the big hire that gets the program to elite status (Izzo, Knight, Coach K, Rupp, etc.). Just because the Gophers hired Tubby Smith doesn't mean we can bypass that whole process. It doesn't happen in 5 years and 1 coach. It just doesn't. Anywhere. Duke didn't become Duke in 5 years. UK didn't happen in 5 years. Everytime in history MN has gained momentum we have something go wrong in the process. Whether it be the snow storm that sent John Wooden to UCLA, one of the 3 scandals, no monetray commitment, or player transfering. This isn't unique to Minnesota. There is a reason so few school are at the MSU, tOSU, Duke, UNC level. It takes a lot of things going right from recruiting classes to coaches to AD's to scandals, to luck, etc. And it is very rare that all of that works well over a 20 year period minimum. Even Wisconsin is closer than Minnesota and that didn't happen because they hired Bo Ryan, it happened because they brought in a successful coach, the next coach built on that, and then Bo built on that. They made a commitment financially, they had no major NCAA violations, etc.
 

goldengophers said:
Tubby was hired to elevate the program not have this team at the bottom of the Big Ten for two years
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Tubby has elevated the program. Minnesota is also not at the bottom of the Big Ten, and has not been for over 40 years.

goldengophers said:
Tubby was suppose to be the best coach in Gopher basketball history, not simply make the Tourny much less finish in the bottom of the Big Ten.
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Who says that he isn't? Consistently making the tournament at Minnesota automatically puts you in the running for best Minnesota coach ever by default. I agree that he hasn't been as successful as most hoped. If only he hadn't taken a crowbar to the foot of Nolen and the knees of Walker and Mbakwe.
 

dpodoll68 said:
Tubby has elevated the program. Minnesota is also not at the bottom of the Big Ten, and has not been for over 40 years.



Who says that he isn't? Consistently making the tournament at Minnesota automatically puts you in the running for best Minnesota coach ever by default. I agree that he hasn't been as successful as most hoped. If only he hadn't taken a crowbar to the foot of Nolen and the knees of Walker and Mbakwe.[/QUOTE]

Can we agree that the shelf life for this defense expires after this year? As I said in another post- he gets next year based upon the above excuse. Next year if this or some other similar excuse rears its head- even if its true- he should be fired. Even if the reason is to just hire a luckier coach. You get 13 scholarships.
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bga1 said:
Can we agree that the shelf life for this defense expires after this year?
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Yes. It is extremely likely that we will not have the best Gopher player in a generation on the roster next year, so if any injuries do occur, they will most likely not be as deleterious as the one that occurred this year.
 

dpodoll68 said:
Tubby has elevated the program. Minnesota is also not at the bottom of the Big Ten, and has not been for over 40 years.



Who says that he isn't? Consistently making the tournament at Minnesota automatically puts you in the running for best Minnesota coach ever by default. I agree that he hasn't been as successful as most hoped. If only he hadn't taken a crowbar to the foot of Nolen and the knees of Walker and Mbakwe.
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BS
 

Some of these arguements just seem ridiculous. The last time the Gophers made the 2nd round of the NCAA tournament was the 1988-89 season and the last time we won the Big Ten was 30 years ago in 1981. Tubby has made the Dance 2 out of his first 4 years and his 3 twenty win seasons in his first 4 years. Monson only had one, twenty win season and prior to that 1997 was our last 20 win season. How can you even say he has not elevated the program? Maybe not to the standards of many well wishers who think we should be a final four team but he has surely improved this team. If we had Al Nolen last year or Trevor this year you are looking at two more 20 win seasons and probably at least one more NCAA bid.

I get his offense seems slow and non productive at times but look at his results, we are improving.
 


dpodoll68 said:
Wrong. Not BS. Fact.
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Link?

If 6-8 Big Ten teams went to the dance every year in the history of the Gopher program your argument might hold water. As it is, it has no bearing.

BTW Tubby is 37-47 in Big Ten play.
 


savagerube said:
Weak response. Wow! Where's your link to prove that it's BS? Just a ridiculous, weak comeback. Link.. Ha.
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Duh, maybe because there is no way/link to prove an opinion. There is no factual evidence the that Tubby is one of the best gopher coaches
 

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