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Pretty sleazy moves by Pitino all the way around. Well one thing I can say, next season can't be blamed on Tubby if he falters. There may be some transfers to come as well. Next season will be on him and him alone. He's decided for better or worst to basically tear the program down and build it his way from scratch. He'll either sink or swim.
 

KyGopherfan said:
Pretty sleazy moves by Pitino all the way around. Well one thing I can say, next season can't be blamed on Tubby if he falters. There may be some transfers to come as well. Next season will be on him and him alone. He's decided for better or worst to basically tear the program down and build it his way from scratch. He'll either sink or swim.
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LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

So letting both Tubby recruits find teams where they'll fit in better is tearing the team down? Last I checked EVERY other player is sticking around. Shouldn't you be KyRaiderfan by now? Get outta here already.
 

KyGopherfan said:
Pretty sleazy moves by Pitino all the way around. Well one thing I can say, next season can't be blamed on Tubby if he falters. There may be some transfers to come as well. Next season will be on him and him alone. He's decided for better or worst to basically tear the program down and build it his way from scratch. He'll either sink or swim.
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I completely disagree. Tubby recruited Mo, Oto, Mav, etc. If those players are still bad it's not Pitino's fault. It's Tubby's fault. Pitino will clearly get some blame, but you cannot excuse Tubby when Pitino will be using Tubby's players.
 

I agree with one of the previous posts...if you dont blame coach for running off Foster, then cant be mad at Ellis for leaving. Cant have it both ways.

I say good for everyone involved. If the kid did not want to be here or the coach did not want him, better for everyone and take care of it early, at least no one has to sit out a year now and everyone can move on. Hope Foster and Ellis find good fits, and hope coach gets better players that fit his system to MN.
 


gopherbadgerman said:
I agree with one of the previous posts...if you dont blame coach for running off Foster, then cant be mad at Ellis for leaving. Cant have it both ways.

I say good for everyone involved. If the kid did not want to be here or the coach did not want him, better for everyone and take care of it early, at least no one has to sit out a year now and everyone can move on. Hope Foster and Ellis find good fits, and hope coach gets better players that fit his system to MN.
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For once we agree.
 


gopherbadgerman said:
I agree with one of the previous posts...if you dont blame coach for running off Foster, then cant be mad at Ellis for leaving. Cant have it both ways.

I say good for everyone involved. If the kid did not want to be here or the coach did not want him, better for everyone and take care of it early, at least no one has to sit out a year now and everyone can move on. Hope Foster and Ellis find good fits, and hope coach gets better players that fit his system to MN.
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Then let's move on.
 






Since Foster signed an NLI, was he guaranteed a scholarship for the 2013-14 academic year at the U? Could he have told Pitino "I don't care if you don't plan on playing me, I'm going to the U for a year?" Or can Pitino just not give him a scholarship even though Foster signed a Letter of Intent?
 

mattw1067 said:
Since Foster signed an NLI, was he guaranteed a scholarship for the 2013-14 academic year at the U? Could he have told Pitino "I don't care if you don't plan on playing me, I'm going to the U for a year?" Or can Pitino just not give him a scholarship even though Foster signed a Letter of Intent?
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He was guaranteed a scholarship for next season, anything beyond that was not a guarantee.
 




mattw1067 said:
Since Foster signed an NLI, was he guaranteed a scholarship for the 2013-14 academic year at the U? Could he have told Pitino "I don't care if you don't plan on playing me, I'm going to the U for a year?" Or can Pitino just not give him a scholarship even though Foster signed a Letter of Intent?
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I am going to turn your legitimate question over to Gopher Warrior who is really the source of knowledge about such topics.
 

howieramone said:
Yes welcome. We can never have enough high school kids on this board.
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Do you feel emasculated because a high school student showed how weak minded you are when you said, "Player X is good because School Y, which is a good school, offered Player X a scholarship?" I know I would feel that way.

It's ok. Unless you can bring a real argument with data, stats, or other measurements of a player's worth other than stating which schools offered players a scholarship (you know, horrible leaps of logic like you have made multiple times tonight), then I'll emasculate you so much that you won't even notice your manhood fell to the floor.
 

Seems like all of the Chicken Littles during the coaching search are the same Chicken Littles freaking out about Foster and Ellis decommitting.
 

MadtownGopher said:
He was guaranteed a scholarship for next season, anything beyond that was not a guarantee.
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Right, but that wasn't 1067's question - and it's a good one. Could Foster have (not that he would, but could he have) said, "I am going to prove you wrong, I'm enrolling and you owe me a scholarship and a spot on the team?"

If not, what is the purpose/utility of the NLI if both sides can break it whenever they want?
 

Gopherguy0723 said:
Do you feel emasculated because a high school student showed how weak minded you are when you said, "Player X is good because School Y, which is a good school, offered Player X a scholarship?" I know I would feel that way.

It's ok. Unless you can bring a real argument with data, stats, or other measurements of a player's worth other than stating which schools offered players a scholarship (you know, horrible leaps of logic like you have made multiple times tonight), then I'll emasculate you so much that you won't even notice your manhood fell to the floor.
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I got it, Vocabulary word of the week in your High School English class? :)



Identify, define, and use in a sentence. Well done.
 

GopherJake said:
Right, but that wasn't 1067's question - and it's a good one. Could Foster have (not that he would, but could he have) said, "I am going to prove you wrong, I'm enrolling and you owe me a scholarship and a spot on the team?"

If not, what is the purpose/utility of the NLI if both sides can break it whenever they want?
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Yes, he could have. However, he could have been relegated to the bench, or they could have simply honored his scholarship for one year and told him to kick rocks after that. NLI's should absolutely be guaranteed for four years, but this is the system we currently live in. Until it collapses because people like Ed O'Bannon have finally stepped up to bring the NCAA down.
 

GopherJake said:
Right, but that wasn't 1067's question - and it's a good one. Could Foster have (not that he would, but could he have) said, "I am going to prove you wrong, I'm enrolling and you owe me a scholarship and a spot on the team?"

If not, what is the purpose/utility of the NLI if both sides can break it whenever they want?
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When I said he was guaranteed a scholarship i meant that if he hadn't DECOMMITTED he would still be attending the U on a scholarship and be apart of the team. The NLI can be broken when both parties agree to it, just like any contract.
 

Gopherguy0723 said:
Yes, he could have. However, he could have been relegated to the bench, or they could have simply honored his scholarship for one year and told him to kick rocks after that. NLI's should absolutely be guaranteed for four years, but this is the system we currently live in. Until it collapses because people like Ed O'Bannon have finally stepped up to bring the NCAA down.
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Thanks. Do you know this for a fact? How do you know this? (I just really am interested in the correct answer. I'm not questioning you, per se, I just know a lot of guys say stuff they think is true, but they don't actually know for sure.)

What about the flip side? When Ellis said "I want out" - and again, not that this would ever happen - but could Teague & Co. have said, "Nope. If you play college b-ball, it will be for the University of MN or nobody - we aren't releasing you?"
 

mattw1067 said:
Since Foster signed an NLI, was he guaranteed a scholarship for the 2013-14 academic year at the U? Could he have told Pitino "I don't care if you don't plan on playing me, I'm going to the U for a year?" Or can Pitino just not give him a scholarship even though Foster signed a Letter of Intent?
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Yes; Yes; No.

Under the NLI the U has agreed to provide Foster with athletic financial aid for the 2013-14 academic year, but Foster has also promised to attend Minnesota for one academic year. It's a two-way street.

Foster can say, "I don't care if you're not going to play me or allow me to be on the team (and in fact Minnesota doesn't have to play him or even allow him on the team - the NLI provides for financial aid), I'm going to the U and you're paying for it."

Neither party has to release the other. A complete release occurs because both parties agree to it.

Assuming Foster receives a complete release (don't believe he has - formally - as of yet), he can "commit" elsewhere and receive a scholarship from another institution for 2013-14, but he cannot sign an NLI.
 

Gopher Warrior said:
Yes; Yes; No.

Under the NLI the U has agreed to provide Foster with athletic financial aid for the 2013-14 academic year, but Foster has also promised to attend Minnesota for one academic year. It's a two-way street.

Foster can say, "I don't care if you're not going to play me or allow me to be on the team (and in fact Minnesota doesn't have to play him or even allow him on the team - the NLI provides for financial aid), I'm going to the U and you're paying for it."

Neither party has to release the other. A complete release occurs because both parties agree to it.

Assuming Foster receives a complete release (don't believe he has - formally - as of yet), he can "commit" elsewhere and receive a scholarship from another institution for 2013-14, but he cannot sign an NLI.
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I knew we could count on you, GW. Thanks.
 

Gopher Warrior said:
Assuming Foster receives a complete release (don't believe he has - formally - as of yet), he can "commit" elsewhere and receive a scholarship from another institution for 2013-14, but he cannot sign an NLI.
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Thanks GW. Assuming someone is released from his NLI and "commits" elsewhere, is it essentially a non-binding agreement until......when? What makes it binding (at least as binding as the NLI is)?
 

Dr.Don said:
I knew we could count on you, GW. Thanks.
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Well, thanks...

But the truth is it's bad for business if a school either (a) refuses to release a kid who requests it or (b) if a school is way out of line in pushing a kid out.

In situations like Minnesota's this past week you'll hear comments and whispers about the tone of conversations and what was said.. the truth sometimes differs from what you might hear. Have to pay attention to who is saying what or who "they heard it from".

i.e., a story of, "Hello, Alex? Hi, yes, just calling to let you know we're not interested in you coming to the U. We'd like you to go away. Cool?" is what some are suggesting. Probably not an accurate representation of what happened.

Nonetheless, hope those kids find a good fit for them and have great careers. Both have plenty of potential.
 

GopherJake said:
Thanks GW. Assuming someone is released from his NLI and "commits" elsewhere, is it essentially a non-binding agreement until......when? What makes it binding (at least as binding as the NLI is)?
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Until he signs an NLI elsewhere
 

GopherJake said:
Thanks. Do you know this for a fact? How do you know this? (I just really am interested in the correct answer. I'm not questioning you, per se, I just know a lot of guys say stuff they think is true, but they don't actually know for sure.)

What about the flip side? When Ellis said "I want out" - and again, not that this would ever happen - but could Teague & Co. have said, "Nope. If you play college b-ball, it will be for the University of MN or nobody - we aren't releasing you?"
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I know it from reading numerous stories on transfers and recruiting.

As for the U of M scenario I'm not entirely sure. I believe this is how it works. The U of M cannot force him to play only for the U of M. However, if the U of M doesn't release him, then he cannot get a scholarship. Schools may also restrict which schools you may transfer to for purposes of a scholarship. I believe a player could transfer anywhere if he wants to pay his own way; however, I'm less confident in that statement than the rest I made.
 

GopherJake said:
Thanks GW. Assuming someone is released from his NLI and "commits" elsewhere, is it essentially a non-binding agreement until......when? What makes it binding (at least as binding as the NLI is)?
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I always say you never _really_ know someone is going to play for you until they're at the scorer's table checking in on game day. Even the NLI is subject to some other things occurring (i.e., admission to the school, certain eligibility requirements being met)... otherwise, it becomes null and void.

So for everything.. I might say NLI or not, things are binding (sort of) once a kid has enrolled and is qualified.

What would happen at the next school is a kid would generally sign grant-in-aid / scholarship papers giving him an athletic scholarship. So the kid's got the scholarship and actually is in a "better position" than if he had signed an NLI in some respects - could decide to go elsewhere and the school couldn't tell him "NO!", but in practice that doesn't happen a lot in college bball.

Schools want kids to sign an NLI because a recruiting ban goes into effect at that point. Is that a big deal? In some sports more than others I suppose (i.e. football).

Not being able to sign another NLI isn't really a big deal in most circumstances.
 

KyGopherfan said:
Pretty sleazy moves by Pitino all the way around.
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Would you rather he "honored" the LOI even though he knows Foster has no future in his program? Who knows, maybe he did the kid a favor because he knows he wouldn't fit in his system.

He's decided for better or worst to basically tear the program down and build it his way from scratch. He'll either sink or swim.
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How is passing on one committed recruit tearing down a program?
 

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