Five Guys On A Shortlist: If the U Decides Change Is Needed, Aim High & Don't Be Cheap With That Big Ten Cash

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leib0039 said:
Few things. People who keep bringing up BYU, that really has nothing to do with the coach himself. Their billionaire booster told them to hire his best friend and he'd pay for everything. That just doesn't apply here.
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Sometimes this board is capable of seeing what's actually happening at other schools.

But what's happening at Minnesota is always 100% the coach, no matter what.
 

dlnavra said:
I agree with most of your posts. BYU you are wrong (and I wasn't aware people keep bringing up BYU). If you haven't seen what Kelvin Sampson recently said regarding BYU's roster and how they are coached, please do find that article. The guy didn't get hired on some whim. And no matter how he's constructed his roster, he did it successfully and if it could be done so easily many would be doing it. My point is the Gophers can turn things quickly with a smart hire.

Enfield and Muss are good examples yes. McDermott on anything close to a hot seat? If anything, I'd say he might entertain a move as Kalkbrenner is in his final year. But not on his performance.
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Of course TV commentators and highly paid coaches are going to rave about how great the coaching is.

If they told the truth about the good teams, they'd say we're watching a bunch of SLEAZE.
 
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FinnGopher said:
UMN needs a head coach with a solid track record of winning success. Wisconsin went down to their D3 programs to get Bennett and Ryan. Drake went to D2 to find their coach. Minnesota has to stop dinking around with the "Tim Brewster" type hires and commit themselves to a proven commodity.
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You act like they have been doing that for years...they literally did it once. Pitino coached at FIU the year before we hired him after being a D-1 assistant (and remember he was like our 7th choice) and before him Tubby had a long career in D-1 and Monson obviously was a D-1 coach as well.

But sure...
 



Dave H said:
You act like they have been doing that for years...they literally did it once. Pitino coached at FIU the year before we hired him after being a D-1 assistant (and remember he was like our 7th choice) and before him Tubby had a long career in D-1 and Monson obviously was a D-1 coach as well.

But sure...
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Did you read my earlier statement? A proven track record.
Monson was a hot commodity who it turns out was hot because of his top assistant.
Tubby showed his limitations at Kentucky and came here with his tail between his legs.
Pitino was a privileged assistant with one year of head coaching experience. Even his dad was shocked he got the Minnesota gig with so little experience.
Johnson is by far the least experienced of anyone.

Wisconsin went to a winning D3 coach who raised Wisconsin from the ashes. When he left, Wisconsin went back to the D3 market and got Ryan from Platteville. With that base having been built, it was easy for Gard to step in.

Honestly, did you read what I wrote because you went down a completely different trail.
 

FinnGopher said:
Wisconsin went to a winning D3 coach who raised Wisconsin from the ashes. When he left, Wisconsin went back to the D3 market and got Ryan from Platteville. With that base having been built, it was easy for Gard to step in.
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Just to set the record straight, Bennett was head coach at UWGB and Ryan at UW-Milw when they were hired at Wisconsin - they had that stepping stone of D1 after their D3 success. Ryan had also been an assistant at Wisconsin prior to going to Platteville.
 

FinnGopher said:
Did you read my earlier statement? A proven track record.
Monson was a hot commodity who it turns out was hot because of his top assistant.
Tubby showed his limitations at Kentucky and came here with his tail between his legs.
Pitino was a privileged assistant with one year of head coaching experience. Even his dad was shocked he got the Minnesota gig with so little experience.
Johnson is by far the least experienced of anyone.

Wisconsin went to a winning D3 coach who raised Wisconsin from the ashes. When he left, Wisconsin went back to the D3 market and got Ryan from Platteville. With that base having been built, it was easy for Gard to step in.

Honestly, did you read what I wrote because you went down a completely different trail.
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If you are going to make an argument, get the facts straight. Your info on WI is wrong (as was pointed out in the previous post and had been brought up previously) and a simple google search would have told you that.

I am all for going after proven successful coaches, but Ben is really the only time you can for sure say they didn't. Monson had success at Gonzaga, Tubby had success at many places and they tried to get successful guys by all accounts when they hired Pitino they just all said no. So I am not sure you are making the point you think you are.
 



Dave H said:
If you are going to make an argument, get the facts straight. Your info on WI is wrong (as was pointed out in the previous post and had been brought up previously) and a simple google search would have told you that.

I am all for going after proven successful coaches, but Ben is really the only time you can for sure say they didn't. Monson had success at Gonzaga, Tubby had success at many places and they tried to get successful guys by all accounts when they hired Pitino they just all said no. So I am not sure you are making the point you think you are.
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So Bennett didn't coach at UW Steven's Point and Ryan didn't coach at Platteville. Got it. 🙄
 

Still think Kevin Warren made Coyle hire Ben as a DEI hire. Now Mr. Warren is in another sport at another level and we're stuck with the problem.
 







FinnGopher said:
So Bennett didn't coach at UW Steven's Point and Ryan didn't coach at Platteville. Got it. 🙄
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No one said they didnt...you just conveniently left out where they coached after that (and other experience they had) which is a bit more relevant. You make it sound like Wisconsin hired Bennett from Steven's Point and Ryan from Platteville which is just not true.
 


howeda7 said:
The only power 5 schools I mentioned were Clemson, Colorado, West Virginia and Utah. Hardly beacons of history or huge $$. It's also simply a fact that in the new revenue sharing era, almost every team in the B1G will have more $$ than every team in the Big East.

The only one bringing up Sampson is you. And even those listing Otz acknowledge that it's very unlikely.

Finally, if 6 different people are telling you you're being an arrogant angry jerk, perhaps you're being an arrogant angry jerk.
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Huh?? I brought up Sampson??

I havent brought up anyone

When you have to go about making things up you know you've lost

Sampson, TJO, McDermott and Miller were all brought up by others. All of them insane. Not unlikely but insane

Impossible. McDermott has made sweet 16s in 3 out of 4 seasons. Had loads of job inquires from programs way better than Minnesota but he's chilling waiting for the Gophers???

The Gophers have a chance at TJO and Sampson but are actively riding it out with Ben??? Hahahaha

Just stop. Its truly embarrassing. These names were all mentioned not by me.

Can the gophers get Medved? Sure. Not the guys mentioned by OTHER PEOPLE
 

Tucker32 said:
You’re funny. You don’t have a clue
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This is about the level of intelligence one comes to expect when people think the Gophers basketball program is chilling to Ben Johnson when they can get borderline HOF coaches
 

Slim Tubby said:
Disrespectful clowns belong in the circus, sir. I sense you are about to be shipped there the same way you were escorted from the Twins threads a couple years ago.

Enjoy the ride, Ronald.
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I haven't been escorted anywhere, Tubby.

Its gonna be hilarious the deflecting when the gophers hire a coach 500 notches below what the delusion on here is so butt hurt about

And the irony is, it could even be a good hire
 



Is there actually a coach alive that has the amount of juju required to break the Ganglehoff/Pioneer Press curse that's been looming over the program since 2000? I'm skeptical.
 


Another realistic option, trying to actually keep things in this universe

Brian Wardle. He’s closing in on his high major chance and there’s a lot of potential there.
 

Spaulding!No! said:
2 scandals in 10 years casts a long shadow.
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It's true whether people like it or not. It creates a mindset and perception that the only way you can succeed is through wrongdoing. Easily lost in that narrative is that there were no violations associated with the Sweet 16 and Final 8 runs in the early 90s, but people want to have their simple narratives.
 



Bad Gopher said:
It would be a shame to poach a guy named Sundance from Wyoming, but someone's going to eventually do it. That's a team that knows what it's doing out there.
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He had Pitino dead to rights tonight but he's letting him off the hook. Tough without your best player though.
 

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