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Personal attacks is debatable when talking about one of the highest compensated employees of the state. His entire contract is available to the public. His presence publicly trumps mine one million times over.
So, not signing your name? Going in circles, wasting people's time who are clicking on this thread.
 


Word said:
Doogie,
You were much more entertaining on KFAN. What happened to you? Did you get married since then?
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Some say, that Paul Allen says, Doogie was fired for cause and marriage had nothing to do with it....:cry:
 


I refuse to read whatever the 6 previous pages were all about, but I just read Doogie's article and thought it was pretty spot on. At this point whoever is defending Brewster or thinks he is taking us anywhere significant had completely lost it. Doogie laid out some facts, made some good points. Nothing more.
 


Doogie said:
Personal attacks is debatable when talking about one of the highest compensated employees of the state. His entire contract is available to the public. His presence publicly trumps mine one million times over.
So, not signing your name? Going in circles, wasting people's time who are clicking on this thread.
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I'm sorry I missed it; what IS Paul Allen's real name?
 

Schnoodler said:
Here's the hole in your logic. If it's a reasonable expectation for this team to have a mediocre record this year, then why does that equate to Brewster losing his job? This is the hole in all of your buddies thinking. We're right on track of what most of the national experts say, and yet somehow that equates to failure locally. We're just where we should be, no furthur along, no further behind. How does that get Brewster fired?
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Expectations, my view, have changed with TCF Bank Stadium now in place. I am not sure pres. Bruininks will tolerate another season of Ill. and SDSU-like crowds.

Who are the national experts? Rittenberg, who Brewster calls back on a regular basis, so his access to Brewster will trump everything else. Mandel? I love his work ... he thinks because of the last 30-40 years of Gophers football, that no one will succeed here ... I respectfully disagree. The right guy can win here, especially now.
 

Doogie said:
By most, do you mean Rivals? The service that elevated Ferguson from no stars to three stars in one day. See Barry Every.
I am on record saying give him 2010 ... I hope everyone can throw in it in my face and we're all in Tampa or Orlando next year for the Outback or Capital One Bowl ... but I just don't see 2010 ending in a positive way ... Bruininks isn't real patient, so my guess is that it'll not end well.
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So you couldn't name a big time program that does not have a local recruiting base?

Also, not just rivals but Scout and Lemming's outfit as well.
 

Doogie said:
Expectations, my view, have changed with TCF Bank Stadium now in place. I am not sure pres. Bruininks will tolerate another season of Ill. and SDSU-like crowds.

Who are the national experts? Rittenberg, who Brewster calls back on a regular basis, so his access to Brewster will trump everything else. Mandel? I love his work ... he thinks because of the last 30-40 years of Gophers football, that no one will succeed here ... I respectfully disagree. The right guy can win here, especially now.
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Doogie, name me one program in the U.S. in any college sport that has not won a conference championship in 40 years and sold out all of their games other than Minnesota. Even name one that draws well that hasn't won in 40 years. Get back to me.
 



minngg said:
Doogie, name me one program in the U.S. in any college sport that has not won a conference championship in 40 years and sold out all of their games other than Minnesota. Even name one that draws well that hasn't won in 40 years. Get back to me.
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Not sure why he has to name a team that sells out yet hasn't won anything in 40 yrs???? If you think that a stadium only about 55% full of Gopher fans against SDSU (who boooed regularly) is typical because we haven't won anything in 40 years you are on crack. Brew had a fan base that was electric to start the season, and what did he do with it??? Be poorly coached his team up throughout the year so when we got to the end fans didn't even want to watch. Maybe I'm missing something you are trying to defend?
 

How many teams are there that have such a championship drought? How many, if a few fall into that category, are the only 1-A football institution in the state?
 

minngg said:
So you couldn't name a big time program that does not have a local recruiting base?

Also, not just rivals but Scout and Lemming's outfit as well.
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What is your definition of big. Some successful programs that have been to BCS bowls or won national championships with a smaller local recruiting base than Minnesota would be Oregon, Nebraska, Utah for example.
 

minngg said:
Doogie, name me one program in the U.S. in any college sport that has not won a conference championship in 40 years and sold out all of their games other than Minnesota. Even name one that draws well that hasn't won in 40 years. Get back to me.
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Oregon State? Cal?

They're a bunch of teasers like the Gophers are.
 



Doogie said:
How many teams are there that have such a championship drought? How many, if a few fall into that category, are the only 1-A football institution in the state?
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How many also have 4 professional teams in their immediate area? How does Miami draw after a few losing seasons? Should they fire their coach? Pitt drew terribly the first few years of Wanny's coaching era. And those that call Nebraska a big time program are on crack. Oregon and Utah are more like Iowa and Wisky than OSU, PSU or MI like Doogie mentioned we could be. I already said we should aspire to be like Iowa and Wisky. That is my whole point about recruting better than them. We NEVER have.
 

Doogie said:
Expectations, my view, have changed with TCF Bank Stadium now in place. I am not sure pres. Bruininks will tolerate another season of Ill. and SDSU-like crowds.

Who are the national experts? Rittenberg, who Brewster calls back on a regular basis, so his access to Brewster will trump everything else. Mandel? I love his work ... he thinks because of the last 30-40 years of Gophers football, that no one will succeed here ... I respectfully disagree. The right guy can win here, especially now.
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I wish I could find the link, but someone had done a really nice piece on all the Big Ten teams lining up all the pre-season predictions they could find. ESPN, FOX ect. it was quite an assemblage. I think there was a 8-4 but most had us 5-7 or 6-6. They had us like 8th or 9th in the B10.

The other assumption you and the rest of the media makes is that the you think the powers that make the decision are reactionary and are subject to making decisions based on what they would like to see happen. The questions are pretty simple, are we headed in the right direction? Are we better? Do we have enough info to make a good decision? If they can confidently answer those questions positively, they aren't going to ditch the program because we couldn't beat Wisconsin or Iowa. Two ranked teams. They understand that until we are better than the teams we hope to beat, then we can't expect to beat them. The way to beat them is to build a program better than theirs. That's what they are focused on. All that they want to know is if they think Brewster can build that type of a program. If he can, the wins will follow. If he can't then they'll try someone new.

So if what you're saying is true, and that we'll be lucky to win 5 games next year, I think Bruiniks and Maturi can see that as well. And so when it happens they're not going to fire him becuase it in fact did happen. Instead they are going to ask those basic questions.

A good journalist would be prepared to answer those questions rather than prepare to pounce on the easy target. When we end up at 5-7, what things will we need to see to show that the team is on it's way to the next level? And by your own admission if 5-7 is expected are you prepared to defend Brewster if he is 6-6 and is still being attacked by your brethren? As certainly by historical perspectives even though we could have the best team in twenty years and be damn lucky to be 6-6 it would still seem pretty mediocre to most. What will you say then?
 

sonnygarcia said:
Not sure why he has to name a team that sells out yet hasn't won anything in 40 yrs???? If you think that a stadium only about 55% full of Gopher fans against SDSU (who boooed regularly) is typical because we haven't won anything in 40 years you are on crack. Brew had a fan base that was electric to start the season, and what did he do with it??? Be poorly coached his team up throughout the year so when we got to the end fans didn't even want to watch. Maybe I'm missing something you are trying to defend?
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Maybe you should read the thread before you interject and maybe you might get the point.
 

minngg said:
How many also have 4 professional teams in their immediate area? How does Miami draw after a few losing seasons? Should they fire their coach? Pitt drew terribly the first few years of Wanny's coaching era. And those that call Nebraska a big time program are on crack. Oregon and Utah are more like Iowa and Wisky than OSU, PSU or MI like Doogie mentioned we could be. I already said we should aspire to be like Iowa and Wisky. That is my whole point about recruting better than them. We NEVER have.
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Well they do have 3 national championships since 1995, were the 4th most valuable program this year according to Forbes magazine and will likely finish this season with a top 15 ranking and have sold out every home game since 1962. I guess I would be curious then to hear what makes a program big time. In the last 40 years they have had one bad run of 4 years under the previous staff(won 5 national title in that time period).
 

GopherGod said:
Well they do have 3 national championships since 1995, were the 4th most valuable program this year according to Forbes magazine and will likely finish this season with a top 15 ranking and have sold out every home game since 1962. I guess I would be curious then to hear what makes a program big time. In the last 40 years they have had one bad run of 4 years under the previous staff(won 5 national title in that time period).
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When is the last time they won their conference? Ranked in top 5? I don't care about attendance. Iowa sells out every game too. At this point their program is no better than Iowa or Wisconsin.
 


Doogie said:
How many teams are there that have such a championship drought? How many, if a few fall into that category, are the only 1-A football institution in the state?
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how many schools that only have 1 div 1 school in state have professional football in the same city?

what is the attendance on schools moving from a dome to an open air stadium in a cold weather state?

how many schools have had horrible attendance for the last 30 years and are given a new stadium with a team expected to win 6-7 games capable of selling that momentum of a new stadium for a full schedule-especially when it gets colder out?

we saw how bad our student section is all season! im a firm believer we have to build an atmosphere on campus and all the negative newspapers/radio/tv personalities think they are being objective and honest when in reality i think the media hurt sthe students more than anyone. when everyone talks about how bad the football team is and how bad brew sucks, i think people reach out to the big brother football and stay inside and get hammered drunk at a vikings game. i dont think the gophers can take away from the vikings as long as the vikings have favre and they are winning.

also, im not saying the media cant criticize, im just saying you guys dont have to lay it on so thick. its obvious many local personalities-especially on the vikings network, kfavre or whatever. if brew makes a mistake coaching in a game talk about it, but when i listen to the media or the brew haters i never hear examples of bad coaching decisions-except weber. i never hear what a terrible decision that was. when i hear the negative nancy's its always "he's too over the top, or he lies, or weber sucks so if he was a good coach he would see that."

and when people say his team has gotten worse and the offense is horrible and since the offense is bad that means the team sucks and he cant coach. but in reality his defense kept us in many games as well as won many games this season-its like the defense isnt part of his team and i dont get it?

this what i like about brew:
i like his positivity-sure its over the top but he is trying to reach for the stars. once he said rose bowl the media for the most part, wrote him off because they have always seen a team that collapsed every year under mason and wacker.

i love his passion for recruiting, whether he gets all the top names or not-at least he tries! mason would rather just dream about becoming the next ohio st coach he damn near recruited for osu.

i love hearing from the players past and present(present and past i guess i have only spoken to about 8-im not saying i know any of them personally) that say he has made this team better and they dont want to play for anyone else.

things im still on the fence about:
im not sure if he is a good coach-jury is still out for me but i have to believe he knows what he is doing because you dont get to coach in the nfl or for those major programs for a career unless you know what your doing.

i dont know what goes on behind the scenes but im ver y skeptical about why we have had such a coaching turn over? is he hard to get along with? does he demand too much from his staff even though they all know what kind of teams we had/have?

this bcame a novel and i apolgize and it may not have made sense-but i really think the media needs to talk about the program more than the person. and as of now that is not the case
 

Doogie...

Sometimes I think you really do yourself a disservice by making blanket statements that are just flat out ignorant. Most of these statements could be verified if you made a simple google search.

18 of the 26 kids we recruited were offered by other BCS schools. It is probably marginally lower less than our other classes, but leaps and bounds better than the average Mason class (in contrast to your insinuation). Additionally, of the kids who weren't offered from BCS schools, 2 of them were offered by Houston and BYU.

If you compared this to the average Mason class (over 1/2 his recruits didn't have other BCS offers, if you don't believe go to rivals and look at his classes), it wouldn't even be close. Additionally, Mason has tons of kids that never played at the U signed to his classes (much more than Brewster), if Brew had the same number of kids who signed but either flunked out or never got in, could you imagine the field day people like Dan Barreiro, Souhan, Ruesse, and yourself would be having?
 

Bob -- 18 is 100 percent correct? Was just looking at Pride and Tauaefa ... in addition, was looking at Ragoo and trying to figure out if Miami had interest or actually offered ... there is a difference ... could that also be the case w/ others?
And when it comes to recruiting, I have never suggested that Brewster and Mason are in the same camp ... we all know that Brewster is much better in that area.
 

Doogie said:
Bob -- 18 is 100 percent correct? Was just looking at Pride and Tauaefa ... in addition, was looking at Ragoo and trying to figure out if Miami had interest or actually offered ... there is a difference ... could that also be the case w/ others?
And when it comes to recruiting, I have never suggested that Brewster and Mason are in the same camp ... we all know that Brewster is much better in that area.
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Yes, Miami did offer.
 

Doogie said:
Bob -- 18 is 100 percent correct? Was just looking at Pride and Tauaefa ... in addition, was looking at Ragoo and trying to figure out if Miami had interest or actually offered ... there is a difference ... could that also be the case w/ others?
And when it comes to recruiting, I have never suggested that Brewster and Mason are in the same camp ... we all know that Brewster is much better in that area.
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According to Rivals 18 is 100% correct. I only counted actual offers and was not going to get into the speculation of if Miami pulled their offer for Ragoo or if Allen would have been offered by one of the teams with interest. 18 of the kids were offered, according to rivals.
 



Doogie said:
Bob -- 18 is 100 percent correct? Was just looking at Pride and Tauaefa ... in addition, was looking at Ragoo and trying to figure out if Miami had interest or actually offered ... there is a difference ... could that also be the case w/ others?
And when it comes to recruiting, I have never suggested that Brewster and Mason are in the same camp ... we all know that Brewster is much better in that area.
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You make statements and you don't know?
 

Unlike you minngg, I have never claimed to have the answers to everything.
 


Doogie said:
Unlike you minngg, I have never claimed to have the answers to everything.
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I don't claim to know everything. When I don't know something I don't present it as fact. Try it.
 

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