Doogie Again

[minngg]

Your link didn't work but please also include the links from Griese and Holtz if you are going to site that multiple experts have stated it. Thanks

I don't have to link what I heard on TV. I was there. You don't want to believe it, That is your problem.

 

[Saskatchewan Gopher]

So you don't feel strongly about one of your favorite teams?

 

[PlayHosea]

Based on that logic then what does that say about Jedd Fisch?

That's why I said 99%. I certainly doesn't appear that Mr. Fisch has any answers either, but he does have Mr. Shanahan to vouch for him and those Super Bowl rings carry some weight.

 

[minngg]

Your link didn't work but please also include the links from Griese and Holtz if you are going to site that multiple experts have stated it. Thanks

EDIT: Got the link to work and after reading the statement it is not crystal clear if Mandel is referencing the firing of Brewster as being a bad idea or if he is mocking the posters pipe dream comments about getting Tony Dungy.

It is crystal clear if you know what the Ole Miss Syndrome is. Look it up.

 

[Iceland12]

I don't have to link what I heard on TV. I was there. You don't want to believe it, That is your problem.

There's no reason to minngg. He's just yanking your chain. GopherGod just wants Brewster gone. He's usually just "snipes and moans" about it but occasionally he's made some pretty compelling arguments for it. That said, reading him overall, one could also come to the conclusion that he may not care if Minnesota wins or not.

Rittenberg on his Big Ten Blog at espn.com and Mandel on his Inside College Football blog at si.com both mocked questions about firing Brewster. There was a post here about it a few weeks ago and, like you just noted, they were pretty clear about it.

 

[Plinnius]

coaching was a reason in '07 why they lost a handful of games by 7 points or less.

No, I'm thinking it was the -15 turnover margin, which can be attributed to an inexperienced quarterback and, well, randomness.

Brewster overcompensated in the recruiting area with some of his assistants and failed to get guys who are solid position coaches.

That would make sense if arguably our best recruiter (Tim Cross) coached one of our better units the past couple season (defensive line) and our "solid position coaches" Phil Meyer/Tim Davis presided over what is easily our worst unit.

Why do we completely dismiss the '07 class? So Theret should never be brought up in any regard?

What about the '07 class?

Decker's injury hurt them, but we can't fall back on him being the only reason they finished among the worst offenses in the county, can we?

No, but it's a reason that we lost several more games than we should have over the past couple seasons.

The primary reason that we finished among the worst offenses in the country if because the offensive line is garbage. Weber looked sharper and the offense moved the ball when the line played reasonably. The line was pretty good in 2007 and the offense averaged 407 yards/gm ($38 nationally) with a freshman quarterback . It gave up just 13 sacks (#10 in the nation in sacks allowed) and allowed Pinnix to average 5.3 YPC (if Pinnix is healthy the entire year, he likely rushes for over 1,000 yards.)

So what happened? Steve Shidell, Tony Brinkhause, and Matt DeGeest graduated and the roster was void of anyone that could effectively play offensive tackle. Should we blame Brewster for that void? Do you doubt Tim Davis' ability to coach?

 

[Clyde Tester]

*Yawn* Tired of the same old, same old. Doogie is becoming as predictable as his KFAN mentor Dave B_______.

First of all, his name is Dan. Second, and far more importantly, please stop using that racist nickname for him. I'm saddened that some posters on this board are so willing to throw around a racist nickname - this certainly isn't the first time it's been used on this board. Can it be the last?

 

[Gold Vision]

First of all, his name is Dan. Second, and far more importantly, please stop using that racist nickname for him. I'm saddened that some posters on this board are so willing to throw around a racist nickname - this certainly isn't the first time it's been used on this board. Can it be the last?

Have you ever listened to Barreiro's show? He plays multiple sound clips of people mispronouncing his name "burrito" every show. He has even called himself that, I don't think it has any racial connotation.

 

[Firejumper]

mingg -- Oh, this would be subjective as well, but Mason left more talent than you believe ... Mason left 5 win talent and Brewster turned that into 1 win ... coaching was a reason in '07 why they lost a handful of games by 7 points or less.
Do you really believe that Bruininks, after seeing the brand new beautiful stadium constructed, will continue to tolerate at times unwatchable and losing football?

I very strongly disagree with this Doogie. Forever burned into my brain is the image of the NDSU fullback outrunning both of our safeties on a long jaunt to the end zone. Mason would have eked out a few more wins if he had coached in '07 just because the players "left behind" fit his systems better and he knew them better, but for sure Mason was destined for a major league ass-branding hot seat at the end of '07. Maturi knew it, and that's why he was fired.

 

[anonymous]

My only question for minngg is that in your initial post you talk about how bad the loss of Decker was for this team and how Mason left "utterly terrible" (your words) talent.

If all of the talent was "utterly terrible," then why does it matter that an "utterly terrible" Mason recruit was injured?

Just askin'

 

[Iceland12]

First of all, his name is Dan. Second, and far more importantly, please stop using that racist nickname for him. I'm saddened that some posters on this board are so willing to throw around a racist nickname - this certainly isn't the first time it's been used on this board. Can it be the last?

Point of information: Mr. Barrerio made it quite clear in the past that he is not of Mexican but rather of Spanish descent. I was rather amused that a guy who often and rightly so, talked about racism was so fervent in his efforts to make thing crystal clear that he was not Mexican, he was Spanish! Chalk it up to ethnic pride I guess.

Now defending him from a racist nickname is a noble effort Clyde, I don't use it but I thought it was more of a playful mangling of his last name then a racial slur.

Either way the Barreiro of the not so distance past, might want you to remember that the racial aspect of the slur couldn't apply to him.

He's of Spanish descent!

 

[Clyde Tester]

Have you ever listened to Barreiro's show? He plays multiple sound clips of people mispronouncing his name "burrito" every show. He has even called himself that, I don't think it has any racial connotation.

Yes I listen - the clip you are referring to has someone pronouncing his name "Buh-Ree-Oh", not "Buh-Ree-Toh". He sometimes discusses his Spanish heritage, but I can't say I've ever heard him make fun of his background. Perhaps Doogie has some insight here as he worked with the man (and I don't even know him) - if I'm wrong, then you can call him whatever you want and I'll stay out of it. But without understanding how Dan views his own heritage, I can't imagine he'd like to be called that name as it's disrespectful at best.

 

[Clyde Tester]

Either way the Barreiro of the not so distance past, might want you to remember that the racial aspect of the slur couldn't apply to him.

He's of Spanish descent!

I guess the joke is on those who use the nickname then!

 

[MBAGuy]

First of all, his name is Dan. Second, and far more importantly, please stop using that racist nickname for him. I'm saddened that some posters on this board are so willing to throw around a racist nickname - this certainly isn't the first time it's been used on this board. Can it be the last?

WTF?

Every KFAN show, including Bump, uses the "Dan Burrito" bit. Last I checked, it was even on their dashboard of soundbytes. It's essentially the same as , and no more racist than, Denny Green's "Calcutta Clipper" bit they use to death.

Jeebus....

 

[Gold Vision]

Why would Burrito even offend someone of Spanish heritage? I guess I could be wrong, but I think people just say Burrito because it sounds like Barreiro. Plain and simple.

 

[Clyde Tester]

Why would Burrito even offend someone of Spanish heritage? I guess I could be wrong, but I think people just say Burrito because it sounds like Barreiro. Plain and simple.

I hope that's the case. It is certainly worth asking the question that I did though.

 

[minngg]

My only question for minngg is that in your initial post you talk about how bad the loss of Decker was for this team and how Mason left "utterly terrible" (your words) talent.

If all of the talent was "utterly terrible," then why does it matter that an "utterly terrible" Mason recruit was injured?

Just askin'

Because when you have very little talent AND your best player goes down, you are in trouble. How many other JR's and SR's (Mason's recruits) were ready to step in for the injured Decker and contribute? Answer...none.

 

[Bob_Loblaw]

My only question for minngg is that in your initial post you talk about how bad the loss of Decker was for this team and how Mason left "utterly terrible" (your words) talent.

If all of the talent was "utterly terrible," then why does it matter that an "utterly terrible" Mason recruit was injured?

Just askin'

I think most people don't evaluate the talent of a program based on 1 kid. Eric Decker is an exceptional football player, but he is the only exceptional football player in the last three seasons. (Barber was good).

 

[Monty519]

Someone asked about the team with Decker and without Decker over the last two years.

With fully healthy Decker (11-5)
W v. Northern Illinois 31-27
W @ Bowling Green 42-17
W v. Montana St. 35-23
W v. Florida Atlantic 37-3
L @ Ohio State 34-21
W v. Indiana 16-7
W @ Illinois 27-20
W @ Purdue 17-6
L v. Kansas 42-21
W @ Syracuse 23-20 OT
W v. Air Force 20-13
L v. California 35-21
W @ Northwestern 35-24
L v. Wisconsin 31-28
W v. Purdue 35-20
L @ Penn State 20-0

With hobbled/no Decker (2-8)
L v. Northwestern 24-17 (Game he got hurt last year)
L v. Michigan 29-6
L @ Wisconsin 35-32
L v. Iowa 55-0 (He played, but really wasn't himself at all)
L @ Ohio State 38-7 (Game he got hurt this year)
W v. Michigan State 42-34
L v. Illinois 35-32
W v. South Dakota St. 16-13
L @ Iowa 12-0
L v. Iowa St. 14-13

Not sure what you can deduct from that except that obviously some of our worst games came when Decker was either out or hobbled. Eric Decker had an impact on this team and when he wasn't there, things weren't pretty, plain and simple. You could also make the argument, and I know some will, that the team just wasn't as good late in the year as they were earlier in the year so maybe that's why the results look the way they do. But really, what's the common denominator between both end of seasons? Both had a hobbled or missing Decker.

This doesn't really prove anything as far as assuming they would have won certain games or whatever, but just making the point that you cannot ignore the fact that Decker got hurt when evaluating this team this year. The team was not talented enough to be able to just brush aside an injury as significant as his was.

 

[PlayHosea]

Burrito is racist? Seriously? I weep for the future of this country. If anyone on this board every uses the term "saurkraut", you're offending my German heritage and you'll be hearing from my attorney.

 

[maxwellsmart]

Could you please submit the links to the statements of these numerous experts that have said this about our program as I have not found these and would be interested in reading them?

Are you Internet savvy? They're easy to find, way too easy for you to need assistance.

 

[maxwellsmart]

My only question for minngg is that in your initial post you talk about how bad the loss of Decker was for this team and how Mason left "utterly terrible" (your words) talent.

If all of the talent was "utterly terrible," then why does it matter that an "utterly terrible" Mason recruit was injured?

Just askin'

And Decker became a nationally recognized player while toiling for Mason. Didn't he?

 

[Gold Vision]

Burrito is racist? Seriously? I weep for the future of this country. If anyone on this board every uses the term "saurkraut", you're offending my German heritage and you'll be hearing from my attorney.

That is seriously the worst possible analogy you could have come up with. Have you read any history books or at least watched a World War II movie?

 

[PlayHosea]

That is seriously the worst possible analogy you could have come up with. Have you read any history books or at least watched a World War II movie?

I have not. Please enlighten me.

 

[Doogie]

No, I'm thinking it was the -15 turnover margin, which can be attributed to an inexperienced quarterback and, well, randomness.



That would make sense if arguably our best recruiter (Tim Cross) coached one of our better units the past couple season (defensive line) and our "solid position coaches" Phil Meyer/Tim Davis presided over what is easily our worst unit.



What about the '07 class?



No, but it's a reason that we lost several more games than we should have over the past couple seasons.

The primary reason that we finished among the worst offenses in the country if because the offensive line is garbage. Weber looked sharper and the offense moved the ball when the line played reasonably. The line was pretty good in 2007 and the offense averaged 407 yards/gm ($38 nationally) with a freshman quarterback . It gave up just 13 sacks (#10 in the nation in sacks allowed) and allowed Pinnix to average 5.3 YPC (if Pinnix is healthy the entire year, he likely rushes for over 1,000 yards.)

So what happened? Steve Shidell, Tony Brinkhause, and Matt DeGeest graduated and the roster was void of anyone that could effectively play offensive tackle. Should we blame Brewster for that void? Do you doubt Tim Davis' ability to coach?

Hammock is a great recruiter ... how has the RB position worked out? Sacks are not always the best indicator in a "Spread" offense ... Weber was in the shotgun, what, 99 percent of the time?
Please explain further what you mean by "randomness" ...
We can agree on this: The O-line was really bad in '08 and really showed no vast improvment in '09. Isn't it Brewster's job to find adequate tackles then, maybe more so at that position in the junior college ranks?

 

[DMB123]

mingg -- Oh, this would be subjective as well, but Mason left more talent than you believe ... Mason left 5 win talent and Brewster turned that into 1 win ... coaching was a reason in '07 why they lost a handful of games by 7 points or less.
Do you really believe that Bruininks, after seeing the brand new beautiful stadium constructed, will continue to tolerate at times unwatchable and losing football?

I respect your opinion Doogie, but if you think Mason left Brewtser with 5-win talent you are crazy.

 

[Doogie]

It was a good article if you like reading repackaged GopherHole comments and no original analysis from a so-called "journalist".

Ski U Master -- 98 percent of the startribune.com readership doesn't visit GH ... I wish they did, but they don't ... I have to think about that when I provide new entries. My analysis, you could say, is stuff I have used on here before ... and have used all season long ... his record in all those games, penalties, 1 off. TD in 43 poss., no TDs in 20 of 28 quarters, etc.

 

[Doogie]

I respect your opinion Doogie, but if you think Mason left Brewtser with 5-win talent you are crazy.

With Mason's system, they would've won 5 games ... subjective for sure, and I'll admit this, way better chance of 4 wins than 6 wins ... but when you lose 7 games by 7 points or less, I think Mason's system would've overcome some of those tiny deficits.

 

[DMB123]

With Mason's system, they would've won 5 games ... subjective for sure, and I'll admit this, way better chance of 4 wins than 6 wins ... but when you lose 7 games by 7 points or less, I think Mason's system would've overcome some of those tiny deficits.

Now that I totally agree with. The system change is why they looked as bad as they did that season, similar to RichRod at Michigan. Lloyd Carr would obvioulsy not gone 3-9 had he stayed as coach, I believe they would have went 8-4 at worst with the exact same talent RichRod had. Mason would not have gone 1-11 in 2007, but in my opinion it was the system change more than it was bad coaching by Brewtser.

Keep in mind that I hate Brewster and believe he should be fired, but he inherited zero talent when he got here after the rape scandal happened.

 

[Iceland12]

With Mason's system, they would've won 5 games ... subjective for sure, and I'll admit this, way better chance of 4 wins than 6 wins ... but when you lose 7 games by 7 points or less, I think Mason's system would've overcome some of those tiny deficits.

The question then would be would Mason's Defense have allowed them to get that close?