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Doogie said:
With Mason's system, they would've won 5 games ... subjective for sure, and I'll admit this, way better chance of 4 wins than 6 wins ... but when you lose 7 games by 7 points or less, I think Mason's system would've overcome some of those tiny deficits.
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Familiarity would have likely breeded a couple/few extra wins, yes that is not hard to guess. But how many transitions have you seen where a new coach comes in with a different system and is able to max out the talent he is handed on his squad. Michigan is a pure example of that. 10 wins, a win over Florida, I think most would have said they had "7 win" type talent at least. They won 3 games. They won 5 this year even. This is Michigan of all schools. Coaching changes are tough on programs, and usually involve a step back when the new coach gets there, unless that school already is at the bottom when he is hired. Mason leaving "5 win" talent means with a coaching change, 1 or 2 wins is far from shocking with ANY coach, let alone one with no experience like Brewster.
 

DMB123 said:
Now that I totally agree with. The system change is why they looked as bad as they did that season, similar to RichRod at Michigan. Lloyd Carr would obvioulsy not gone 3-9 had he stayed as coach, I believe they would have went 8-4 at worst with the exact same talent RichRod had. Mason would not have gone 1-11 in 2007, but in my opinion it was the system change more than it was bad coaching by Brewtser.

Keep in mind that I hate Brewster and believe he should be fired, but he inherited zero talent when he got here after the rape scandal happened.
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You beat me to the Michigan example lol.
 

Iceland12 said:
The question then would be would Mason's Defense have allowed them to get that close?
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Time makes the memory fonder. We would have rolled up 400yards at least every game and won 51 to 44.
 

Bottom line...Mase was 32-48 in the Big Ten in 10 years here which is basically 3-5 every season for 10 years. Now Brew comes in and he gets 3 years to turn it around or he is a failure? Brew is at 3-5 in the Big Ten now. He is recruiting better athletes. I say wait but I must be a complete moron according to Doogie, because he cannot find one good thing the man has done since he has been here.
 

Ok - I am new to this forum so this is my mulligan - I can't figure out who this "Doogie" person is everyone seems to dislike? Enlighten please.-
 


RaT said:
OK.....really.........moron???????

Let's throw more meaningless stuff out there.

We put up 35 points in a victory over Purdue, only for the next week Purdue to go out and beat Ohio State 26-18.

We also put up 35 points in a victory over Northwestern, only for them to go out and defeat both Wisconsin and Iowa in the month of November.

Those items still have nothing to do with the fact that we put up a measly 13 points against Iowa State.
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We lost, they won. Who care how many points we/they scored. What is your point? We had 434 yards of offense, which is hardly enemic. Turnovers cost us the game. Get over it!
 

Khaliq said:
Is this how you think it's appropriate to discuss things with fellow Gopher fans?
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When they go shooting their mouths off with negativitiy when they clearly did not do their homework? In a word: YES!
 


GopherGod said:
And it only took a fluke of 8 turnovers by Nebraska including multiple inside the Iowa State 5 yard line for it to happen. Also, one of those fumbles inside the 5 yard line the receiver was not even touched and just dropped it running in with no one around him. I wouldn't hang your hat on this to justify Iowa State as a good opponent. Minnesota actually led the turnover margin versus Iowa State and still lost.
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So Iowa State couldn't have done anything with maybe causing those turnovers? Really? No credit to Iowa State for holding Nebraska to 7 points at home? Really?

Fine, the Gophers suck and Brewster needs to go. Is that what you want? Brewster is here to stay for at least one more year. Get over it!
 



minngg said:
Bottom line...Mase was 32-48 in the Big Ten in 10 years here which is basically 3-5 every season for 10 years. Now Brew comes in and he gets 3 years to turn it around or he is a failure? Brew is at 3-5 in the Big Ten now. He is recruiting better athletes. I say wait but I must be a complete moron according to Doogie, because he cannot find one good thing the man has done since he has been here.
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mingg -- so you want 7 more years of 3-5? My point is this: Why not strive to be like Ohio State, Michigan, and Penn State? Why not think big? If they did, Brewster would've never been hired in the first place ... that being said, when have I not suggested that he has elevated the recruiting, and until this year, in a much, much bigger way than Mason? When did I not sing his praises last year, especially early for the Ted Roof hire? When have I not given him credit for finding two nice D-tackles in Edwards and Kirksey, at maybe the 2nd or 3rd hardest position to find?
 

Doogie said:
mingg -- so you want 7 more years of 3-5? My point is this: Why not strive to be like Ohio State, Michigan, and Penn State? Why not think big? If they did, Brewster would've never been hired in the first place ... that being said, when have I not suggested that he has elevated the recruiting, and until this year, in a much, much bigger way than Mason? When did I not sing his praises last year, especially early for the Ted Roof hire? When have I not given him credit for finding two nice D-tackles in Edwards and Kirksey, at maybe the 2nd or 3rd hardest position to find?
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I would say that the majority of OSU fans thought that the OSU AD didn't think big when they hired Tressel from Youngstown State but we all see how that worked out.

And I don't know what you mean about this years recruiting class because it still is head and shoulders above Masons.
 

How many of this year's commits have other offers from BCS schools? Is it in line w/ '08 and '09?

As for Tressel, if he showed little promise through four years, do you think he would've made it to a fifth year? Tressel also had 15 years of head coaching experience before OSU, winning 4 national titles at Youngstown St ... Brewster was a TE coach, who some say was on the verge of losing his job in Denver.
 

Doogie said:
How many of this year's commits have other offers from BCS schools? Is it in line w/ '08 and '09?

As for Tressel, if he showed little promise through four years, do you think he would've made it to a fifth year? Tressel also had 15 years of head coaching experience before OSU, winning 4 national titles at Youngstown St ... Brewster was a TE coach, who some say was on the verge of losing his job in Denver.
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He was also the Assistant Head coach for the San Diego Chargers. "Some say he was on the verge of being fired"? Really? Unlike you and Hartman who some say were fired, not let go from KFAN? Unlike Brewster neither of you even had someone who was willing to hire you. Do either of you have a full time job now?

Hey, character assassination is a lot of fun isn't it?:eek:
 




Iceland12 said:
He was also the Assistant Head coach for the San Diego Chargers. "Some say he was on the verge of being fired"? Really? Unlike you and Hartman who some say were fired, not let go from KFAN? Unlike Brewster neither of you even had someone who was willing to hire you. Do either of you have a full time job now?

Hey, character assassination is a lot of fun isn't it?:eek:
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If you're going to attack, at least have the decency to sign your real name and not hide behind a moniker.
 


Doogie said:
If you're going to attack, at least have the decency to sign your real name and not hide behind a moniker.
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You mean that by using your own name it's perfectly okay to insinuate that Brewster was about to be fired from Denver and was never anything but a Tight Ends Coach? That makes the character assassination and innuendo okay?

Really, that's all it takes? That makes everything okay?

Just to be clear if someone engages in personal attacks, let's say Paul Allen for instance, as long as he use his REAL name, not some stage name or moniker it's okay, but if he doesn't that would show a lack of decency? Yeah, I kind of see your point. i've used my real name in letters to the editor and espn but I haven't here.

I was trying to make a point about the rather "slimy" or indecent shot you took at Brewster, but maybe you're right, using stage names and taking shots is a little cowardly and indecent.

If you'd like to edit yours I'd be happy to edit mine. (which I know, may be the understatement of all time...)
 


Iceland12 said:
You mean that by using your own name it's perfectly okay to insinuate that Brewster was about to be fired from Denver and was never anything but a Tight Ends Coach? That makes the character assassination and innuendo okay?

Really, that's all it takes? That makes everything okay?
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Keep hiding behind your moniker ...
I will trust others in the media who have asserted that ... I never once said "I am reporting that Mike Shanahan was on the verge of firing Tim Brewster." ... but can you refute it? Can you prove that that indeed isn't the case? Please, by all means, do so, and I'll be more than glad to use it. The assertion has been uttered for a while on the local airwaves.
 

Doogie said:
Keep hiding behind your moniker ...
I will trust others in the media who have asserted that ... I never once said "I am reporting that Mike Shanahan was on the verge of firing Tim Brewster." ... but can you refute it? Can you prove that that indeed isn't the case? Please, by all means, do so, and I'll be more than glad to use it. The assertion has been uttered for a while on the local airwaves.
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You're committing a logical fallacy in that request, Doogie.

Argument from ignorance
 

Doogie said:
Keep hiding behind your moniker ...
I will trust others in the media who have asserted that ... I never once said "I am reporting that Mike Shanahan was on the verge of firing Tim Brewster." ... but can you refute it? Can you prove that that indeed isn't the case? Please, by all means, do so, and I'll be more than glad to use it. The assertion has been uttered for a while on the local airwaves.
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But you passed it on didn't you? When you got irritated by the assertions rather then deal with them you went for the personal attack. You used the back door innuendo to justify the cheap shot, but you used your name.

Just to be clear if someone engages in personal attacks, let's say Paul Allen for instance, as long as he use his REAL name, not some stage name or moniker it's okay, but if he doesn't that would show a lack of decency? Yeah, I kind of see your point. i've used my real name in letters to the editor and espn but I haven't here though really how "secure" is personal information here or at KFAN for that matter.

I was trying to make a point about the rather "slimy" or indecent shot you took at Brewster, but maybe you're right, using stage names and taking shots is a little cowardly and indecent.

If you'd like to edit yours I'd be happy to edit mine. (which I know, may be the understatement of all time...)
 

So now it's ok to print accusations because you can't prove them to be false, even thought you can't prove them to be true?? give me a break.

Try this one, I heard from someone that Doogie has gay sex with female walruses. I haven't found one person who cant say this hasn't happened. As soon as someone can bring be evidence to say it isn't true then it's entirely possible. In this case it's clearly not plausible, you're not their type. But what if it was something plausible and damaging. Is it OK just because no one has told you it isn't true?

It's the same level of absurdity, you need to support accusations. If you're going to repeat it then either cite the source or have first hand knowledge of a reliable inside source, ie Shanahan told you or another insider. When did that jounalism rule change?
 

How would I have gay sex with female walruses?

Fair point ... I did not originally hear or report, so will refrain from citing until if/when I can verify, if I can verify at all.
 

Iceland12 said:
But you passed it on didn't you? When you got irritated by the assertions rather then deal with them you went for the personal attack. You used the back door innuendo to justify the cheap shot, but you used your name.

Just to be clear if someone engages in personal attacks, let's say Paul Allen for instance, as long as he use his REAL name, not some stage name or moniker it's okay, but if he doesn't that would show a lack of decency? Yeah, I kind of see your point. i've used my real name in letters to the editor and espn but I haven't here though really how "secure" is personal information here or at KFAN for that matter.

I was trying to make a point about the rather "slimy" or indecent shot you took at Brewster, but maybe you're right, using stage names and taking shots is a little cowardly and indecent.

If you'd like to edit yours I'd be happy to edit mine. (which I know, may be the understatement of all time...)
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I never made that generalization you write about above ... I made the simple request of you.

Darren Wolfson
 

Doogie said:
How would I have gay sex with female walruses?

Fair point ... I did not originally hear or report, so will refrain from citing until if/when I can verify, if I can verify at all.
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Please tell me I don't have to explain the fine points of this joke to you?
 

Doogie said:
mingg -- so you want 7 more years of 3-5? My point is this: Why not strive to be like Ohio State, Michigan, and Penn State? Why not think big? If they did, Brewster would've never been hired in the first place ... that being said, when have I not suggested that he has elevated the recruiting, and until this year, in a much, much bigger way than Mason? When did I not sing his praises last year, especially early for the Ted Roof hire? When have I not given him credit for finding two nice D-tackles in Edwards and Kirksey, at maybe the 2nd or 3rd hardest position to find?
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I am thinking big. But name me a program that is big that does not have a home recruiting base? First, we should shoot to be better than Wisky and Iowa, then think bigger, if possible. By most recruiting services, we out recruited both Iowa and Wisky for the first time the last two seasons since records were kept. Now, you want to fire the guy that brought in the talent before half of it plays. Not sure I get it.
 

By most, do you mean Rivals? The service that elevated Ferguson from no stars to three stars in one day. See Barry Every.
I am on record saying give him 2010 ... I hope everyone can throw in it in my face and we're all in Tampa or Orlando next year for the Outback or Capital One Bowl ... but I just don't see 2010 ending in a positive way ... Bruininks isn't real patient, so my guess is that it'll not end well.
 

Doogie said:
I never made that generalization you write about above ... I made the simple request of you.

Darren Wolfson
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Substitute "stage name" for "moniker" to terms that can easily be used as synonyms and yeah, you did:

"If you're going to attack, at least have the decency to sign your real name and not hide behind a moniker."

I'll ask it again, if someone uses a moniker, stage names, and engages in attacks does that show a lack of decency? Conversely does using your real name along with anonymous sources make your personal attacks on Brewster somehow more "decent"?

I'm not sure I agree, but there is some logic there.

Does this mean then, that guys like Barrerio, Ruesse and yourself, who use their real names and anonymous sources somehow are more "decent" then guys who use monikers or stage name? That logic would mean that someone who "hides behind" a moniker or stage name (iceland12, Paul Allen etc.) and uses anonymous sources to attack people must be the most indecent of all?

Yeah, again I see your point but I still doubt some of these "sources".

I forgot to look, did you edit out your unsubstantiated attack? If so the only decent thing would be for me to follow suit.
 

Doogie,
You were much more entertaining on KFAN. What happened to you? Did you get married since then?
 

Here's the hole in your logic. If it's a reasonable expectation for this team to have a mediocre record this year, then why does that equate to Brewster losing his job? This is the hole in all of your buddies thinking. We're right on track of what most of the national experts say, and yet somehow that equates to failure locally. We're just where we should be, no furthur along, no further behind. How does that get Brewster fired?
 

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