B1G Game 12: Gophers host Iowa (2-6-25)

[Aesop70]

Sophie works hard and has improved a lot. But you are doing her a disservice by passing her the ball when she is 6’ from the rim. It’s out of her range. She needs to get the ball LOW and if at all possible go left.
Battle is a very good player who should not be the point guard. That may be easier said than done, given this roster. Rose plays ambitious defense, and can get the ball across the time line. But it’s all down hill from there. She simply cannot shoot, or drive, and is not a good setup passer. It amplifies our overall lack of quickness from our forwards. They can shoot, but always have heavy coverage.
Lastly last night it looked like the team was tentative to shoot? They passed on some decent looks and instead passed the ball into coverage.

Sophie has basically one shot. A center pivot (rotating to her left) baby hook. She has nice footwork on that shot and executes it well... if she's 4' from the rim or closer. Opposing bigs that force her even a foot or two farther out and those shots have literally been airballs. To be truly effective she needs to be able to seal off her defenders and rotate to the baseline for those easy layups. Post players on opposing teams get those bunnies - we almost never do.

 

[BigTenGuy]

. . . Coach P is going to have to FIND A WAY to use more players and get some offense going, more movement. Yes, I know we are down Woodson and Braun, but Johnson was a top 65 recruit who has had good moments and if you take her out every defensive mistake it isn't going to help her. There are plenty of other gophers that make mistakes on the D side of it and WE NEED SOME OFFENSE!

Coach P’s reluctance to play and develop Johnson is a puzzle. Preseason Coach P identified increased offensive efficiency as the # 1 priority. She talked about trying to shoot 50% from the field (or perhaps from 2). The team is failing on the goal to be a better shooting team. In conference play, the Gophers are 12th in 2-pt FG% and 15th in 3-pt FG%. It’s time to give Johnson some extended playing time.

Also agree that Coach P is driving her core into the ground. Did the same thing last year, even pre-Braun injury, contributing to bad loss at Wisconsin.

 

[DietCokeFan]

Coach P’s reluctance to play and develop Johnson is a puzzle. Preseason Coach P identified increased offensive efficiency as the # 1 priority. She talked about trying to shoot 50% from the field (or perhaps from 2). The team is failing on the goal to be a better shooting team. In conference play, the Gophers are 12th in 2-pt FG% and 15th in 3-pt FG%. It’s time to give Johnson some extended playing time.

Also agree that Coach P is driving her core into the ground. Did the same thing last year, even pre-Braun injury, contributing to bad loss at Wisconsin.

Yeah I agree. Wouldn't shock me to see Johnson hit the portal. I don't get it at all. The starters had so many defensive issues last night, but she gets pulled after 20 seconds. Some will say the ball sticks in her hands, but if you watch, this team doesn't have any offensive flow to it and the ball sticks the entire game. I'm not saying Lindsey is/was a better coach, but at least her teams could score the ball. This brand is boring, and in all honesty its not working. We're lucky that the bottom 3-4 teams are so bad we shouldn't have a problem making the BIG tourney at least. (In my opinion)

 

[bball_craz_31]

Not shocked that fans are as fake as can be on here. Now dawn is a bad coach lol

Lets review coaches.

Stollings would lose games 114-106. sure we scored but never once played defense
Whalen's teams would lose 70-85 or 90. great we scored 70 but couldnt win.

Now they are losing in SINGLE DIGITS with 25 points a game sitting on the bench injured. Dawn has had Mara for 25 games total in the last two seasons. Both the latest home games are plain and simple wins if Mara is out there.

but everyone just wants to complain

"amaya isnt good or shouldnt be a pg" "Johnson should play more even if she gives up more points than she scores." "Sophie is awful" "dawn cant coach"

Rinse, lather, repeat from people sititng on their couch and never coached a day in their life.... gosh the team is so lucky to have these kind of fans...who needs enemies

 

[bball_craz_31]

Borderline call. Tori jumped into Hannah. Would have liked to get it but Tori created the contact. Missed shots were the difference.

But if it was a blonde princess like Feuerbach, Affolter, or Olsen she gets the call.

 

[BBJones]

But if it was a blonde princess like Feuerbach, Affolter, or Olsen she gets the ball.

Sad that you have to bring up race. The Gophers lost because they're not athletic enough and, when shooting, couldn't hit the broadside of a barn. The refs or race had nothing to do with it. But keep those excuses handy for future games.

 

[Roland Brooks]

But if it was a blonde princess like Feuerbach, Affolter, or Olsen she gets the ball.

You forgot Olivia Olson

 

[Roland Brooks]

I guess their blondes out played our blondes

 

[rowdaboat]

Still on the last 4 byes on latest bracketology

 

[DietCokeFan]

Not shocked that fans are as fake as can be on here. Now dawn is a bad coach lol

Lets review coaches.

Stollings would lose games 114-106. sure we scored but never once played defense
Whalen's teams would lose 70-85 or 90. great we scored 70 but couldnt win.

Now they are losing in SINGLE DIGITS with 25 points a game sitting on the bench injured. Dawn has had Mara for 25 games total in the last two seasons. Both the latest home games are plain and simple wins if Mara is out there.

but everyone just wants to complain

"amaya isnt good or shouldnt be a pg" "Johnson should play more even if she gives up more points than she scores." "Sophie is awful" "dawn cant coach"

Rinse, lather, repeat from people sititng on their couch and never coached a day in their life.... gosh the team is so lucky to have these kind of fans...who needs en

I never said she was a bad coach. The worse thing I said is that she hasn't proved anything or won any big games yet. As a fan I personally don't like the system; but that is just my opinion. When you don't have any offensive flow it just makes it hard to watch.

 

[MaroonMagic]

I never said she was a bad coach. The worse thing I said is that she hasn't proved anything or won any big games yet. As a fan I personally don't like the system; but that is just my opinion. When you don't have any offensive flow it just makes it hard to watch.

Last season they had at least a couple good wins (Nebraska and Michigan State come to mind, plus maybe Michigan). This year they beat Illinois, who is actually looking much better since their loss at the Barn.

I'm also frustrated that there aren't more great wins and that they haven't pulled out wins in some of the closer, tough games, but that's what happens when your leading scorer and a key rotation player are both injured. At least the Gophers aren't losing in 30+ point blowouts this year like they were last year without Mara!

 

[DietCokeFan]

Last season they had at least a couple good wins (Nebraska and Michigan State come to mind, plus maybe Michigan). This year they beat Illinois, who is actually looking much better since their loss at the Barn.

I'm also frustrated that there aren't more great wins and that they haven't pulled out wins in some of the closer, tough games, but that's what happens when your leading scorer and a key rotation player are both injured. At least the Gophers aren't losing in 30+ point blowouts this year like they were last year without Mara!

I totally agree. Just a frustrated fan. After sooooooo many years of being in the basement of the conference I'm just ready for this program to be in a better spot.

 

[bball_craz_31]

Sad that you have to bring up race. The Gophers lost because they're not athletic enough and, when shooting, couldn't hit the broadside of a barn. The refs or race had nothing to do with it. But keep those excuses handy for future games.

When did Blonde become a "race"

Prime example. Look at the foul they called on GG to give Kylie the free-throws to go up 54-51. she leaned in and it was body contact (that she created) ....No one with eyes would look at that Hannah on Tori drive and say there is less contact there and include hannah swing down.

 

[Gilthorp57]

Yippee another loss to Iowa in a big game. This is why MN will never get the top recruits. I know we have injuries but coach P has not yet proven to win the important games.

Went to the game last night, the arena sounded like Carver-Hawkeye North. Ladies played hard, but definitely missing scorers.

 

[BBJones]

When did Blonde become a "race"

Prime example. Look at the foul they called on GG to give Kylie the free-throws to go up 54-51. she leaned in and it was body contact (that she created) ....No one with eyes would look at that Hannah on Tori drive and say there is less contact there and include hannah swing down.

Hart was 1 for 7 at close range, the team shot .25 % from long range, and they got beat on the boards. But go ahead, blame the refs (it was a home game, wasn't it?), if it makes you feel better.

 

[MOGopher]

Not shocked that fans are as fake as can be on here. Now dawn is a bad coach lol

Lets review coaches.

Stollings would lose games 114-106. sure we scored but never once played defense
Whalen's teams would lose 70-85 or 90. great we scored 70 but couldnt win.

Now they are losing in SINGLE DIGITS with 25 points a game sitting on the bench injured. Dawn has had Mara for 25 games total in the last two seasons. Both the latest home games are plain and simple wins if Mara is out there.

but everyone just wants to complain

"amaya isnt good or shouldnt be a pg" "Johnson should play more even if she gives up more points than she scores." "Sophie is awful" "dawn cant coach"

Rinse, lather, repeat from people sititng on their couch and never coached a day in their life.... gosh the team is so lucky to have these kind of fans...who needs enemies

Stollings good, Whalen real bad, Plitzuweit great. Plitzuweit has this team playing defense and that keeps them in the games. This team just doesn't have a pure go-to scorer.

 

[rowdaboat]

When did Blonde become a "race"

Prime example. Look at the foul they called on GG to give Kylie the free-throws to go up 54-51. she leaned in and it was body contact (that she created) ....No one with eyes would look at that Hannah on Tori drive and say there is less contact there and include hannah swing down.

1930s probably

 

[Duker]

Borderline call. Tori jumped into Hannah. Would have liked to get it but Tori created the contact. Missed shots were the difference.

I don’t think we were watching the same play if you think that was a borderline call. She was fouled hard very obviously to me. Stuhlke should have been out of the game.

 

[Gophers112233]

True but Hannah Stuelke smacked Mckinney's hand and wrist area on the attempted shot not the basketball.

and then was called for the same thing for her actual 5th foul a few minutes later..

Hannah got her with the body it's contact.. more contact then some of the calls Iowa got under the basket for fouls..

 

[Gophers112233]

I don’t think we were watching the same play if you think that was a borderline call. She was fouled hard very obviously to me. Stuhlke should have been out of the game.

way more contact then some of the calls Iowa got late in the game.. including the AND 1 for Hannah to start the 4th quarter..

 

[Gopheritnow]

Whether the refs were bad or not, they were very inconsistent over the game. Called nothing to start the game, then went thru a streak of over officiating, then slacked off. It was sort of hard to keep up with. I did think McKinney was the victim of some calls and non calls. Sometimes that happens, but last night she did get the short end of the calls.

As for Johnson, I am not sure what’s up with her. I have heard she was highly recruited, and I do think she is a pure scorer. That said she plays like someone who came from a system that let her do anything she wanted without repercussions? I like to watch her shoot, but at other times she seems like she doesn’t know a lot about how to play the game. It’s frustrating.

 

[BigTenGuy]

The bubble is weak this year so the Gophers just need to beat Washington and a couple more games and they are still probably in.

Doubt it. Resume is terrible. Zero Q1 wins and I think just one Q2, that won’t do it. Maybe next year if we get some shooters.

Will be interesting to see how the NCAA bubble plays out. The 2025 tourney is the 5th year the NET rankings will be used, but the first with the revised quad system. Under the original Quad system, only 1 team has ever been selected as an at-large team without having a single Quad 1 victory, specifically Columbia last year. No Power 4/5 team has ever been an at-large team without a Quad 1 victory. Good chance that changes this year.

The Feb. 7 ESPN Bracketology has 6 at-large teams without a Quad 1 victory as of Feb. 7:



In the regular season, the Gophers have 2 remaining chances for a Quad 1 victory: at OSU and at MSU. The Gophers also have 3 remaining regular season Quad 2 opportunities, as of Feb. 7: at home against IU, Oregon & Washington.

 

[Star City]

No Power 4/5 team has ever been an at-large team without a Quad 1 victory. Good chance that changes this year.

How was it done before? 1-25, 26-50, 51-100, 101+ with no regard to home/neutral/away?

I found 2023 Georgia. NET 33 Their best win was NET 39 Mississippi State (at home). Nobody else they beat made the NCAA Tournament and they got in as a #10 seed (they beat Florida St in the first round and played Iowa close for most of the game in a 2nd round loss if I remember correctly).

 

[BigTenGuy]

How was it done before? 1-25, 26-50, 51-100, 101+ with no regard to home/neutral/away? . . .

Old Quads. New Quads
Quadrant 1 (Q1). Q1
Home (1-30). H 1-25
Neutral (1-50). N 1-35
Away (1-75). A 1-45

Quadrant 2 (Q2). Q2
Home (31-75). H 26-55
Neutral (51-100). N 36-65
Away (76-135). A 46-80

Quadrant 3 (Q3). Q3
Home (76-160). H 56-90
Neutral (101-200). N 66-105
Away (136-240). A 81-130

Quadrant 4 (Q4). Q4
Home (161-360). H 91-362
Neutral (201-360). N 106-362
Away (241-360). A 131-362

 

[Star City]

On the NCAA stats page I see these columns now:

Q1	Q2	Q3	Q4	vs TOP 100

when before they were:

NET 1-25	NET 26-50	NET 51-100	NET 101+	vs TOP 100	vs below 150

unless that's not official or I'm looking at the wrong thing.

 

[BigTenGuy]

On the NCAA stats page I see these columns now:

Q1	Q2	Q3	Q4	vs TOP 100

when before they were:

NET 1-25	NET 26-50	NET 51-100	NET 101+	vs TOP 100	vs below 150

unless that's not official or I'm looking at the wrong thing.

Not sure what you're looking at:

7/12/2024

At its summer meeting this week in Austin, Texas, the NCAA Division I Women's Basketball Committee approved a move to quadrant-based team sheets in 2024-25 and to provide the full championship field seed list on Selection Sunday. The committee also announced that Indianapolis will play host to a joint championships event in 2028 and named a future committee chair.

On Selection Sunday going forward, the committee will provide publicly, for the first time, the entire 68-team seed list, in seed order, when the bracket is announced.

The committee also voted to move to the use of quadrants on team sheets starting in 2024-25. Women's basketball home-away-neutral quadrant ranges are based on an analysis of historical data dating to 2010. The quadrant ranges are unique to women's basketball data.

The 2024-25 NET rank quadrant ranges for women's basketball were based on the expected winning percentage versus a given opponent rank (in NET) with respect to game location, across all games. The ranges will be classified as quadrant one (home 1-25, neutral 1-35 and away 1-45); quadrant two (home 26-55, neutral 36-65 and away 46-80); quadrant three (home 56-90, neutral 66-105 and away 81-130) and quadrant four (home 91-plus, neutral 106-plus and away 131-plus).

DI Women’s Basketball Committee OKs quadrant-based team sheets, complete seed list - NCAA.org

At its summer meeting this week in Austin, Texas, the NCAA Division I Women's Basketball Committee approved a move to quadrant-based team sheets in 2024-25 and to

www.ncaa.org

 

[bball_craz_31]

Will be interesting to see how the NCAA bubble plays out. The 2025 tourney is the 5th year the NET rankings will be used, but the first with the revised quad system. Under the original Quad system, only 1 team has ever been selected as an at-large team without having a single Quad 1 victory, specifically Columbia last year. No Power 4/5 team has ever been an at-large team without a Quad 1 victory. Good chance that changes this year.

The Feb. 7 ESPN Bracketology has 6 at-large teams without a Quad 1 victory as of Feb. 7:

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In the regular season, the Gophers have 2 remaining chances for a Quad 1 victory: at OSU and at MSU. The Gophers also have 3 remaining regular season Quad 2 opportunities, as of Feb. 7: at home against IU, Oregon & Washington.

If you use Warren Nolan that does predictions, it predicts Gophers will have a Quad 1 win at the end of the year. They have Illinois as Quad 1 in their predictions for the end of the season.

 

[Star City]

Not sure what you're looking at:

What they used before the Quad system. I was looking here: https://stats.ncaa.org/selection_rankings/season_divisions/18423/nitty_gritties
If someone was looking at Warren Nolan, since the subsequent poster brought it up, whatever they used before this season I'm guessing either matched what the men use or was arbitrary.

 

[Outsider]

I totally agree. Just a frustrated fan. After sooooooo many years of being in the basement of the conference I'm just ready for this program to be in a better spot.

And Coach is in year two, cut her some slack. She has won everywhere she’s been. Missing two starters and your miffed that she’s not winning more. Reading your posts I’m guessing you either loved Whalen or had someone in mind and didn’t get your pick. Get over it, it’s year two!

 

[DietCokeFan]

And Coach is in year two, cut her some slack. She has won everywhere she’s been. Missing two starters and your miffed that she’s not winning more. Reading your posts I’m guessing you either loved Whalen or had someone in mind and didn’t get your pick. Get over it, it’s year two!

Neither is true but I am allowed to have an opinion.