All Things RB Jeffrey Jones Thread

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afurry91 said:
Come on Marcus and Doogie! Someone come through for us this week.
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Doogie just became a father, he is usually on top of this stuff. My hunch is that he got the score he needed, but has been told to keep it mostly quiet until after the NCAA goes over it with a fine-tooth comb and he officially gains admission.
 

Coach Jenkins has been the one giving out the detail's to doogie and Marcus, not Jeff. If we found out that he needed to raise his score by 1 point and raise his GPA by 0.2 and then found out that he did raise his ACT but needs to raise it more and will be taking summer school courses to raise his GPA then i don't see why we wouldn't know the biggest news that he raised his score.
 

Hw will be the best back in the Big Ten this season. I've never been more excited or convinced about a player!! Very hopeful for this year right now.
 


nasa35 said:
Hw will be the best back in the Big Ten this season. I've never been more excited or convinced about a player!! Very hopeful for this year right now.
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He's going to be special down the line but the one thing the Big Ten does not lack it's elite RBs. Between Abdullah, Cross, Clement, Gordon, Langford and likely one of OSU's and/or Michigan's stable of backs there is no shortage of dominant rushers that will likely be more dominant this upcoming season. Let's not get ourselves too worked up over a true freshman running back that still has not technically even been granted admission.
 


maroonedinCA said:
He's going to be special down the line but the one thing the Big Ten does not lack it's elite RBs. Between Abdullah, Cross, Clement, Gordon, Langford and likely one of OSU's and/or Michigan's stable of backs there is no shortage of dominant rushers that will likely be more dominant this upcoming season. Let's not get ourselves too worked up over a true freshman running back that still has not technically even been granted admission.
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To be fair, NASA has been a big supporter of Jones since before he was a Gopher commit. Not saying he's a lead pipe cinch to be great, but he has a chance to be a special player.
 

maroonedinCA said:
He's going to be special down the line but the one thing the Big Ten does not lack it's elite RBs. Between Abdullah, Cross, Clement, Gordon, Langford and likely one of OSU's and/or Michigan's stable of backs there is no shortage of dominant rushers that will likely be more dominant this upcoming season. Let's not get ourselves too worked up over a true freshman running back that still has not technically even been granted admission.
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This seems like a logical approach, but in this case I think it is wrong. JJ is elite. He is a can't miss. He will be a big part in us going 10-2 this year.
 

No way Jeff is better than Abdullah or Gordon but i wouldn't be shocked if he has a season than Langford, Mark, Coleman, Clement, Elliott or Green. Doubtful he is better than all of those guys but if you look at them individually i think there is a legit possibility he is better than any one of those guys. I am fully expecting him to be better than Weisman, Belton and Zwinak at PSU and Ferguson at Illinois.
 

die hard gopher said:
No way Jeff is better than Abdullah or Gordon but i wouldn't be shocked if he has a season than Langford, Mark, Coleman, Clement, Elliott or Green. Doubtful he is better than all of those guys but if you look at them individually i think there is a legit possibility he is better than any one of those guys. I am fully expecting him to be better than Weisman, Belton and Zwinak at PSU and Ferguson at Illinois.
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I disagree. There's only one high school back that I thought the highlight reel was better and that was AP. Jeff was under the radar, if Alabama would have shown interest he would have been a 5 star top five recruit.
 



nasa35 said:
I disagree. There's only one high school back that I thought the highlight reel was better and that was AP. Jeff was under the radar, if Alabama would have shown interest he would have been a 5 star top five recruit.
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Confirmed. Jeff Jones the next AP.
 

nasa35 said:
if Alabama would have shown interest he would have been a 5 star top five recruit
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Yes, because ratings are based on who offers.

Plus, if we're playing that (stupid) game, it's not like Michigan and Florida showed interest or anything.
 

nasa35 said:
I disagree. There's only one high school back that I thought the highlight reel was better and that was AP. Jeff was under the radar, if Alabama would have shown interest he would have been a 5 star top five recruit.
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He has very average speed and average size for a BCS back and especially for an UAAA back. He runs a high 4.5/ low 4.6 or even worse which is very average plus he is only 200 pounds. Leonard Fournette, the #1 back runs a 4.35 at 225 and you look at a guy like Dalvin Cook, he runs a high 4.3/low 4.4 at Jeff's same weight of 200 pounds. Jonathan Femi Cole, a high 3 star ran a 4.58 at 218. He has A+ attributes for every other category like vision, receiving ability, lateral ability, physicality but in the 2 most important ones, speed and size, he is very average.

That is why he is a top 50-100 recruit and top 5-10 RB but not #1 RB and next AP.
 

Washburn summer school...

I am picturing a some twisted old fruit* leading a classroom of 1. *spinal tap.
 





Golden_Sloth said:
"At the Junior Rank Miami Camp last month, Cook won the 40-yard dash with a time of 4.38 seconds, and was described on the camp's website as 'one of the fastest Junior Rank has seen.'"

http://www.orangeandwhite.com/news/2012/jun/13/miami-running-back-dalvin-cook-commits-tigers-clas/
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I can publish that I'm 7 ft tall on a random website, but that doesn't make it true. I believe that Cook ran a hand-timed 4.38, which is about a 4.62 electronic, which is realistic for an 18-year-old (especially for one who ran a 11.18 100, which is actually very pedestrian for an elite football skill position recruit). When people keep posting fake 40 times and pretending they're real, I'll stop commenting on it.
 


MinneStoa said:
Source on this conversion rate?
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http://www.physicaleducationupdate.com/public/555.cfm

"Track coaches have long known that hand times produce faster results because human reaction-time results in the watch being started a split-second after movement actually occurs, while electronic systems detect this movement instantaneously, resulting in the clock running for a slightly longer period of time.

Track officials correct for this difference by adding .24 seconds to a hand-timed 100m to convert it to an electronic time."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20072055

"average difference of -0.44 to -0.18 seconds"
 

dpodoll68 said:
I can publish that I'm 7 ft tall on a random website, but that doesn't make it true. I believe that Cook ran a hand-timed 4.38, which is about a 4.62 electronic, which is realistic for an 18-year-old (especially for one who ran a 11.18 100, which is actually very pedestrian for an elite football skill position recruit). When people keep posting fake 40 times and pretending they're real, I'll stop commenting on it.
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I freaking hate doing this, but I agree with Dpod. Elite speed/size can be important variables in a RB, but if you look at the list of NFL HofF RBs you will find many that were not elite in one or both of these categories but had other attributes that made them great.

As for reports of 40 times from some of these camps...they are BS. There are a couple of camps that have legitimate electronic 40 times like you see at the combine...others are hand timed and can be off by .2 - .3 seconds. So show me production on the field against quality compitition and I'll show you a good prospect...and JJ was the MVP of his all-star game...nuff said!
 

Well 4.35 may be a stretch but Fournette is considered the #1 RB since AP and the #1 player in the class which is very rare for an RB to be #1 nowadays so i highly doubt he runs anything lower than a high 4.4. Cook if you watch the UAA game clearly has 4.4 speed. Most camps or combines like the Nike SPARQ combine, the opening, NFTC, Rivals underclassmen etc. do use legitimate laser times and don't just pull it out of their ass which is what recruiting services use.
 

die hard gopher said:
i highly doubt he runs anything lower than a high 4.4.
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A high 4.4 would've placed him in the top 10 RBs at the NFL Draft combine, running against 22- and 23-year old grown men. He doesn't run a high 4.4.

die hard gopher said:
Cook if you watch the UAA game clearly has 4.4 speed.
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No, he clearly doesn't. Whether I watched the game or not is irrelevant. He doesn't have 4.4 speed. Then again, neither do any of the rest of these HS players, so it's not disrespectful to point it out.
 

dpodoll68 said:
A high 4.4 would've placed him in the top 10 RBs at the NFL Draft combine, running against 22- and 23-year old grown men. He doesn't run a high 4.4.
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Maybe it is too difficult to generalize but type of speed increase is seen for an elite athlete from age 18 compared to 22 or 23. Just curious.
 

zman said:
Maybe it is too difficult to generalize but type of speed increase is seen for an elite athlete from age 18 compared to 22 or 23. Just curious.
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Since 40 times are generally spurious and not readily available, I will use 100 m dash times as it is a ubiquitous distance at both the HS and college levels, and because the times are accurate and readily available. The 10 fastest times in the nation for HS in 2014 (outdoor) ranged from 10.28-10.51 (http://usa.milesplit.com/articles/1...school-outdoor-t-f-rankings-4-30#.U6ruIJRdXTq). The top 8 finishers at the 2014 NCAA Division I Outdoor Championships ranged from 9.97-10.24 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_NCAA_Division_I_Outdoor_Track_and_Field_Championships#100_meters). Given that the top 10 finishers in the 40 yard dash among skill players at the NFL Draft Combine are generally in the 4.3-4.5 range (with occasional outliers), it's reasonable to assume that the very fastest HS football skill players in the country run in the 4.55-4.7 range, with the very rare and occasional outlier (someone like Trindon Holliday, who ran a 10.00 100 m dash as a 23-year-old college senior) perhaps being able to push 4.5 or below. The problem is that people quote hand-held times and then when someone legitimately runs a 4.6 electronic or similar they say it's "slow" or "average" even though an electronic 4.6 is blazingly fast for a teenager.
 

zman said:
Maybe it is too difficult to generalize but type of speed increase is seen for an elite athlete from age 18 compared to 22 or 23. Just curious.
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Most lose speed when they gain 20 pounds over their college career.
 

die hard gopher said:
Most lose speed when they gain 20 pounds over their college career.
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No, they don't. See, I don't know where you get things like this. Almost every healthy college senior RB/WR/CB/etc. who didn't suffer serious injury will be much faster than they were as HS seniors. This is due to natural maturation as well as world-class weight and speed training. This is not debatable. I'm not trying to be mean, but please stop your disinformation campaign.
 



dpodoll, I agree with your main point about HS 40 times being fictitious and how we can't rely upon them almost at all.

However, I do take issue with your assertion that nearly every healthy skill position player will get faster. You are comparing 10 HS track and field runners to 8 college track and field runners, and then say that this must apply to football players as well. The only conclusion we can gain from this data is that track runners increase their speed from HS to college.

One of diehard's points was that gaining 20 lbs. of muscle will likely make you slower. The goals in training for a track program vs. a football program are very different, as speed is not the only thing your WR/DB/RB coach cares about.

I would love it if we had objective measurements like the NFL combine for HS students, so you could actually make valid comparisons. Unfortunately, we don't...so we have to leave it at that.
 

Would it be fair to say that most kids gain 20lbs in college? Yes

Would it be fair to say that most kids get slower in college? No

Is it fair to assume then that most kids who gain 20lbs will get slower? I'm beginning to think not, and I haven't looked up one reference.
 

Winasota Gopher said:
Would it be fair to say that most kids gain 20lbs in college? Yes
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Regarding weight gain, we talking boys or girls?

Also, are we talking electronic or hand timed?

I think these are important things to clarify if we are to have a meaningful discussion.
 

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