All Things P.J. Fleck Rumor Mill Thread - Listed as Candidate for Other Jobs

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MNVCGUY said:
Hopefully we don't have to find out but that is a tricky one because there are not a lot of obvious future head coach candidates on the current staff. When Rossi was here he would have been an obvious candidate for interim head coach. On the current staff my assumption is it would probably have to be Harbaugh.
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If PJ leaves it’s a shit show IMO
 


Brady Hoke
Matt Rhule
Tyrone Willingham
Marcus Freeman
Clay Helton
Charlie Strong
Brent Venables
Mike Shula

These are just a few examples of coaches in the modern era that were hired by blue blood programs who had a comparable or lesser resume than PJ at the time they were hired. I say this not to argue that PJ is some coaching genius, but to illustrate that the bar for being hired at these jobs is lower than you may think.

I have no idea if Michigan will consider PJ for the job, but between his ability to win games and to stay free of controversy, it’s not exactly far fetched to think he could be a candidate, especially considering how late in the hiring cycle we are.
 


Gophers1992 said:
Brady Hoke
Matt Rhule
Tyrone Willingham
Marcus Freeman
Clay Helton
Charlie Strong
Brent Venables
Mike Shula

These are just a few examples of coaches in the modern era that were hired by blue blood programs who had a comparable or lesser resume than PJ at the time they were hired. I say this not to argue that PJ is some coaching genius, but to illustrate that the bar for being hired at these jobs is lower than you may think.

I have no idea if Michigan will consider PJ for the job, but between his ability to win games and to stay free of controversy, it’s not exactly far fetched to think he could be a candidate, especially considering how late in the hiring cycle we are.
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Solid fact finding and logic
 


Gophers1992 said:
I think people are going to find that the list of realistically available coaches who are equally or more accomplished than PJ is a lot smaller than you think. Penn State just hired a guy with a fairly comparable resume to PJ. Florida just hired a guy who has never coached at the P5 level. Notre Dame hired a guy with no head coaching experience a couple years ago.

I have no idea if Michigan has any interest in PJ, but if they see PJ as someone who's way beneath this job, there's a good chance they will be disappointed with whoever the hire is.
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What do they all have in common? They didn't hire Fleck.
 

Gophers1992 said:
Brady Hoke
Matt Rhule
Tyrone Willingham
Marcus Freeman
Clay Helton
Charlie Strong
Brent Venables
Mike Shula

These are just a few examples of coaches in the modern era that were hired by blue blood programs who had a comparable or lesser resume than PJ at the time they were hired. I say this not to argue that PJ is some coaching genius, but to illustrate that the bar for being hired at these jobs is lower than you may think.

I have no idea if Michigan will consider PJ for the job, but between his ability to win games and to stay free of controversy, it’s not exactly far fetched to think he could be a candidate, especially considering how late in the hiring cycle we are.
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If the hiring committee got together and watched the games this year against Purdue, Northwestern, Michigan State, Iowa, Ohio State, and Oregon they would run in the other direction. That said, in another thread folks talked about how good Lindsey was at the end of some of those games and true that with a lot of other quarterbacks this season would’ve turned out a lot worse than it did.
 






I saw on football scoop that Michigan has only gone outside the Michigan coaching tree once since Bo to hire a head coach- Rich Rodriguez. Maybe this time they do considering the circumstances.
 



Jesse Minter is popping up on a few lists. Seems like a very good potential pick. NFL playoffs might complicate timing wise.
 

PMWinSTP said:
Jesse Minter is popping up on a few lists. Seems like a very good potential pick. NFL playoffs might complicate timing wise.
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His show-cause expires at the end of the month. Somehow that punishment was for recruiting contact rather than systematically cheating. I wonder if he would have been the coach in waiting instead of Moore if he hadn’t committed those recruiting violations?
 

Gopherchase said:
If the hiring committee got together and watched the games this year against Purdue, Northwestern, Michigan State, Iowa, Ohio State, and Oregon they would run in the other direction. That said, in another thread folks talked about how good Lindsey was at the end of some of those games and true that with a lot of other quarterbacks this season would’ve turned out a lot worse than it did.
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If Michigan hired Fleck this is the boat he will be rowing.1766246799008.jpeg
 



mngolf said:
The Michigan boosters I've met have said they'd take him, without the RTB. they love everything else.
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IMO, the Michigan fans that I know want the best of both worlds but at the end of the day they'll default to the side of winning. You'll hear weird shit where they'll talk about how it's more difficult to win at Michigan than Ohio State/Alabama/Etc. because of their integrity but at the same time celebrate Dave Portnoy buying HS players (Underwood).

Like a lot of folks who to give off the perception that have higher moral standards, they're full of sh!t. They want to win at the highest level but they want to pretend that they did it the "right way".

I don't think PJ would be a fit for them. He doesn't win at a high enough level.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
IMO, the Michigan fans that I know want the best of both worlds but at the end of the day they'll default to the side of winning. You'll hear weird shit where they'll talk about how it's more difficult to win at Michigan than Ohio State/Alabama/Etc. because of their integrity but at the same time celebrate Dave Portnoy buying HS players (Underwood).

Like a lot of folks who to give off the perception that have higher moral standards, they're full of sh!t. They want to win at the highest level but they want to pretend that they did it the "right way".

I don't think PJ would be a fit for them. He doesn't win at a high enough level.
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I agree with this but this also is true of 99.9% of candidates they’re considering so they’re in a pickle

For instance Kenny dillingham has a lower win percentage at ASU than fleck does at Minnesota.
 
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If he wins, every Michigan fan will be rowing the boat. In my opinion, Michigan is stupid not to hire him.

I don’t expect Fleck to be going anywhere because I think Michigan is stupid. The last few years have proven that. But if he were to leave, I’m not so sure my first call wouldn’t be Jason Eck. Yes, I know he’s a Badger, but Vince Dooley was an Auburn Tiger, and he became a legend at the university of Georgia. You hire the best coach for your situation and the rest takes care of itself. If you are worried about him leaving one day, you either pay him enough to stay or you rig the buyout big enough so Wisconsin would have to pony up if they ever wanted him. I’m not saying that I necessarily think he would be the best choice, but he’s definitely getting a phone call from me if I was in charge.
 
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Bob_Loblaw said:
I don't think PJ would be a fit for them. He doesn't win at a high enough level.
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You don’t think he could win with a better talent pool? I get the argument that maybe it would be hard to recruit the true game changers with his RTB stuff, but I would love to see what he could do with real talent (preferably IN Minnesota!).
 

Drake University Gopher said:
You don’t think he could win with a better talent pool? I get the argument that maybe it would be hard to recruit the true game changers with his RTB stuff, but I would love to see what he could do with real talent (preferably IN Minnesota!).
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Yep. What's he's done here pretty much guarantees he'd be more successful at a school that dumps resources into their football program. The tolerance level for losses decreases exponentially, though. If RTB is the most important thing to him he'd be silly to leave the U
 

The reason to target Fleck would not be for what he is as a coach, it would be for what you think the potential is of Drake Lindsey, Koi Perich, and company that he would bring with him.

RTB won't fly at Mich, to the extent of changing uniforms. They would absolutely slap it on merch and maybe put some signs up around the stadium.
 

GopherGrit said:
The reason to target Fleck would not be for what he is as a coach, it would be for what you think the potential is of Drake Lindsey, Koi Perich, and company that he would bring with him.

RTB won't fly at Mich, to the extent of changing uniforms. They would absolutely slap it on merch and maybe put some signs up around the stadium.
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huh? I don't think Michigan is going to be worried about what the new coach might be able to bring with him talent wise.

You don't target a coach because of a few potential short term transfers.
 

MNVCGUY said:
huh? I don't think Michigan is going to be worried about what the new coach might be able to bring with him talent wise.

You don't target a coach because of a few potential short term transfers.
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Sure you do, if he has a proven ready QB candidate that could win you another natty.

I don't think he's going to Michigan, I'm just saying of any possible reason they would actually consider him, that would be the reason.

I'm not saying I think they will consider him. I don't
 


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