All Things 2024 Minnesota Vikings Off-Season Thread

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howeda7 said:
The Vikings are behind, but I am a bit tired of these "the Vikings are in for a long 7-10 years" takes some folks are putting out. The NFL doesn't work like that. It will all look very different in 2 years. And I'm not sold that Jordan Love or Goff are anything more than younger versions of Kirk Cousins.
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The Bears could figure stuff out too with all their draft ammo.
 


Ope3 said:
Not enough data. Small sample size, but since Thanksgiving Love has been lights out.

I don't think he has to be at the Favre/Rodgers level for the Packers to be Super Bowl contenders. Short term, they get the Jets 2nd round pick next year and won't have the cap hit they took this year either for #12.

The Chiefs messed up by going with Grbac instead of Gannon in a playoff game.

Same mistake Green made by starting Salisbury over Gannon.
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Gannon should have been a 10 year starter for the Vikings but Denny had too short a leash.
 

howeda7 said:
His best year was 2004. Carter was long gone and Moss missed a bunch of games with injury. Kevin Burleson was the best WR when Moss was out. Makes his rapid collapse all the more puzzling.
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What's puzzling about it? Blew his knee out and never played another game for the Vikings. Lost a step and went to some really struggling franchises from 2006 - 2009, Miami, Oakland & Detroit.
 

Ope3 said:
What's puzzling about it? Blew his knee out and never played another game for the Vikings. Lost a step and went to some really struggling franchises from 2006 - 2009, Miami, Oakland & Detroit.
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Even before he got hurt he seemed to have lost it though.
 


howeda7 said:
Could. But if they're sticking with Fields, they have a hard ceiling IMO.
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Maybe, but trading back a couple spots to get more picks and still landing Marvin Harrison Jr could work with a new Coordinator. Or keeping it and taking Williams doesn't sound bad either.

Nice to have options. Defense is also solid.
 

And this 4thQ is showing why McVay traded Goff for Stafford.

Goff is not great in crunch time.
 

Ope3 said:
Not enough data. Small sample size, but since Thanksgiving Love has been lights out.

I don't think he has to be at the Favre/Rodgers level for the Packers to be Super Bowl contenders. Short term, they get the Jets 2nd round pick next year and won't have the cap hit they took this year either for #12.

The Chiefs messed up by going with Grbac instead of Gannon in a playoff game.

Same mistake Green made by starting Salisbury over Gannon.
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The NFL is really good at adjusting. There have been many, many players that have looked good over a single season before defenses have adjusted. Not saying that will happen to Love, but waiting a bit to crown him the next great GB QB. They get one more year at him being cheap. Then if he plays well, they’ll have to pay him big starting in 2025.
 

Ope3 said:
Not enough data. Small sample size, but since Thanksgiving Love has been lights out.
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18 TDs -and 1 Int in last 8 games.

2nd in league with 32 TD passes

1st Qb in history to have a perfect QBR in his first start.

I’ll be shocked if he isn’t the real deal; that’s what it’s trending towards.



Ope3 said:
I don't think he has to be at the Favre/Rodgers level for the Packers to be Super Bowl contenders. Short term, they get the Jets 2nd round pick next year and won't have the cap hit they took this year either for #12.

The Chiefs messed up by going with Grbac instead of Gannon in a playoff game.

Same mistake Green made by starting Salisbury over Gannon.
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howeda7 said:
Even before he got hurt he seemed to have lost it though.
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Maybe. That 2005 season was a mess, in my memory.

- Moss jettisoned by McCombs just before Wilfs took over.

- Assumed Tice was a lame duck, with new owner wanting to plug in their own guy.

- Love Boat.

Not really hard to fathom Culpepper's slow start with all the chaos. Tice cobbled together a solid 9-7 season despite all that, plugging in an ancient Brad Johnson. Still Zygi canned him before he left the HHH Dome in the season finale.
 

forever a gopher said:
The NFL is really good at adjusting. There have been many, many players that have looked good over a single season before defenses have adjusted. Not saying that will happen to Love, but waiting a bit to crown him the next great GB QB. They get one more year at him being cheap. Then if he plays well, they’ll have to pay him big starting in 2025.
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Thus my preface of "not enough data." But no doubt, trending quite favorably.
 


Ope3 said:
Maybe, but trading back a couple spots to get more picks and still landing Marvin Harrison Jr could work with a new Coordinator. Or keeping it and taking Williams doesn't sound bad either.

Nice to have options. Defense is also solid.
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Williams said he isn’t playing for Chicago.

If the Pats at 3 want the pick of the litter, instead of being “stuck” with Daniels, the Bears could swap picks with the Pats and 3. Then flip no.3 to another QB hungry team and take home an absolute haul.
 



If they get either Harrison or Odunze from UWash, plus another blue chip lineman, there's a lot to be bullish on about the Bears.
 


So that 2 pt conversion mess in the Lions-Cowboys game seems to have worked out completely in Detroit's favor.

Lions drew the Rams instead of the Packers, will get to play 2 games at Ford Field anyway with the Dallas ouster, and will play the Eagles-Bucs winner on short rest.

Karma, I guess.

Roar. I was happy for that 89 yr old season ticket holder.
 


kg21 said:
8 weeks ago, I was cheering for the pack to win so they couldn't get a top qb. :banghead:

This guy is so calm, so under control, and is only going to get better. His accuracy was going to be off. He can't miss on a throw. It's just surreal. Young o-line, very young receivers, and now they can draft defense forever.

It's another reason to strip the Vikings down and try to rebuild.

You just can't make it up with the packers.
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The Packers are more proof that you don't have to strip the Vikings down to tank and win. Their rebuilding years were last year at 8-9 and this year at 9-8 with at least one playoff win.
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
The Packers are more proof that you don't have to strip the Vikings down to tank and win. Their rebuilding years were last year at 8-9 and this year at 9-8 with at least one playoff win.
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They have drafted extremely well, though. For example, their offensive line has had massive turnover and is way better than ours.

Their defense is nothing special, but they can bring pressure and get to the qb. They didn't have too, because they hit on a qb and know how to draft.
 

Ope3 said:
If they get either Harrison or Odunze from UWash, plus another blue chip lineman, there's a lot to be bullish on about the Bears.
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Possibly, but not with Fields as the QB. Fields is just plain a bad NFL QB. He can't throw from the pocket and he can't process the game at NFL speed. He's absolutely lost when you force him to stay in the pocket. And he's not overly accurate either. Those are things he's just not going to get over.

10-28 as a starter if I'm not mistaken. At some point, you have to see what the data is telling you. He drops the ball on the carpet at a clip of just about exactly once per game, and a 40-30 TD to INT ratio.

I would have bet on him coming out because of his intangibles, his leadership (loved when he was telling the B1G to f'k off and let them play games during Covid), his competitiveness and work ethic, but at the end of the day, he's not an NFL franchise QB.

Who thinks he warrants being paid $40-$45M per year based on the body of work so far? Because that's what the number is going to be.
 



The Athletic also floated a Cousins to Miami scenario, where they would trade Tua for an estimated 2 & 3.
 

Ogee Ogilthorpe said:
Possibly, but not with Fields as the QB. Fields is just plain a bad NFL QB. He can't throw from the pocket and he can't process the game at NFL speed. He's absolutely lost when you force him to stay in the pocket. And he's not overly accurate either. Those are things he's just not going to get over.

10-28 as a starter if I'm not mistaken. At some point, you have to see what the data is telling you. He drops the ball on the carpet at a clip of just about exactly once per game, and a 40-30 TD to INT ratio.

I would have bet on him coming out because of his intangibles, his leadership (loved when he was telling the B1G to f'k off and let them play games during Covid), his competitiveness and work ethic, but at the end of the day, he's not an NFL franchise QB.

Who thinks he warrants being paid $40-$45M per year based on the body of work so far? Because that's what the number is going to be.
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If he's as bad as you say, why would he warrant $40-$50 million from anyone, much less the Bears?

If the roster around a QB is good enough, teams can certainly win with those that perform in the top 12-20ish range, especially if the salary cap number is reasonable.

They could always attract a competent QB via free agency if the roster is solid or via trade.
 


Ope3 said:
If he's as bad as you say, why would he warrant $40-$50 million from anyone, much less the Bears?

If the roster around a QB is good enough, teams can certainly win with those that perform in the top 12-20ish range, especially if the salary cap number is reasonable.

They could always attract a competent QB via free agency if the roster is solid or via trade.
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For now, let's just stick with the Bears. The Giants just paid Daniel Jones that much. Why would Fields take less? The market has been set with players like that. You're either committing to Fields and paying him $40M+ per year, or you're trading him or letting him walk.

I guess it depends on your definition of "winning". Can a player like Fields, with a GREAT roster around him, win 8-10 games? He probably can. Is he going to win multiple playoff games? Not a snowball's chance in hell.

He's not an NFL franchise QB. Never will be. They'd be better of seeing what they have in Bagent than to keep trotting out Fields.
 



kg21 said:
Every time love is pressured, he throws off his back foot downfield, and there isn't a guy within the same zip code
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It should be banned.

Classic Favre/Rodgers voodoo
 

forever a gopher said:
For the sake of argument, now that there is some evidence - IF Love turns out to be good and plays for 10+ years, the Packers could have an unbroken string of 40 years of good/great/elite QB play, as Favre's good play started in '94. Is there another organization that has even strung two back-to-back great QB's together?
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Joe Montana Steve Young?

EDIT: no surprise someone beat me to this
 

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