All Things 2024 Minnesota Vikings Off-Season Thread

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Gopher_In_NYC said:
So we should trade JJ to the 🐻 for the Top Pick?
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I think that is dramatically over-valuing JJ; I don't see JJ garnering a top 5 pick, definitely not the #1 overall. But if the Bears were stupid enough to do it (I have faith that Poles is most definitely that stupid), I say GO FOR IT!
 

Ogee Ogilthorpe said:
I think that is dramatically over-valuing JJ; I don't see JJ garnering a top 5 pick, definitely not the #1 overall. But if the Bears were stupid enough to do it (I have faith that Poles is most definitely that stupid), I say GO FOR IT!
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We save the money from Cousins, have our QB on a first contact salary and still have our first pick!!
 

GophersInIowa said:
I guess my point is that would be a hard mistake to recover from. They’d be putting their jobs on the line with that one move.
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They would, but if they keep getting schooled in the draft it won't matter.

Look at what the Lions, Ravens, and 49ers have done in the draft and it's no wonder they're the teams still playing. I was all-in on Linderbaum last year, as he was considered the best C prospect in a while. Was told you don't draft a C high, and they already had Garrett "gets bowled over by the wind" Bradbury. Instead of drafting either the best S or C prospect in the draft (with C being an area of need), Kwesi and Co. decided to trade back, passing on both. The Ravens picked both of them, they are both pro-bowlers already, and Hamilton was All-Pro. Can't make it up.
 


kg21 said:
Fine, then we don't make a pick.

It would basically be the same thing.
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It actually might be better. Cine, Booth, and Asamoah from the 2022 draft will eat a total of $25.29MM in cap space over their rookie contracts. 3 defensive players x 2 years and it's netted you a total of 44 tackles and 0 Int's. And that's just the top 3 rounds of one draft. They would have been better drafting nobody and getting a known commodity via FA.
 


forever a gopher said:
They would, but if they keep getting schooled in the draft it won't matter.

Look at what the Lions, Ravens, and 49ers have done in the draft and it's no wonder they're the teams still playing. I was all-in on Linderbaum last year, as he was considered the best C prospect in a while. Was told you don't draft a C high, and they already had Garrett "gets bowled over by the wind" Bradbury. Instead of drafting either the best S or C prospect in the draft (with C being an area of need), Kwesi and Co. decided to trade back, passing on both. The Ravens picked both of them, they are both pro-bowlers already, and Hamilton was All-Pro. Can't make it up.
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Those teams drafted well overall, I agree. If the Vikings made a big trade like this and even if it worked out well, they still have to get better at drafting overall. 2022 was a disaster. 2023 was better. But they’ve gotta be better.
 



kg21 said:
The Bears would give us, a division rival, a chance to draft a franchise qb?

I highly doubt it.
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The worst thing they could do would be to say no.

Part of the fun of playing hypothetical GM is imagining positive player possibilities.

Also, I’m glad that you realize that everything on an anonymous chat forum is uber serious - nothing, absolutely nothing, escapes your grasp.
 



So why didn’t Tampa take a TO at the end? Detroit was taking a knee with like 15 seconds left on the play clock. There was over :35 left when it happened on 3rd down. Tampa could have forced Detroit to kick a 45+ yarder. A miss and they have :30 to go 65 yards to try to tie it. Unlikely but yikes that’s bad.
 

GophersInIowa said:
So why didn’t Tampa take a TO at the end? Detroit was taking a knee with like 15 seconds left on the play clock. There was over :35 left when it happened on 3rd down. Tampa could have forced Detroit to kick a 45+ yarder. A miss and they have :30 to go 65 yards to try to tie it. Unlikely but yikes that’s bad.
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Thought the same thing. They also didn't take 1 after Detroit's 2nd down play on this side of the 2 minute warning. Maybe TV info was wrong and they were out. There was that play where a Buc got injured and Tampa had taken a time out when play ended. I think TV put the timeout back in their pocket, maybe incorrectly. All I can figure.
 


TNGophfan said:
Thought the same thing. They also didn't take 1 after Detroit's 2nd down play on this side of the 2 minute warning. Maybe TV info was wrong and they were out. There was that play where a Buc got injured and Tampa had taken a time out when play ended. I think TV put the timeout back in their pocket, maybe incorrectly. All I can figure.
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Multiple people have said they had a TO left. I think there was a time they called a TO but got it back because of a penalty. Wild.
 



GophersInIowa said:
Multiple people have said they had a TO left. I think there was a time they called a TO but got it back because of a penalty. Wild.
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Not sure they actually got it back because, if I remember right, the clock didn't start until the snap. Working with old brain here, so who knows.
 

McDermott might get himself fired with that stupid fake punt. And KC fumbling at the goal line might finally get that stupid rule overturned.
 





Unregistered User said:
JFK was alive for every Lions playoff win, except for 2. 1991 and today.
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For the first time in my life, and I was born at the tail end of the LBJ administration, the Detroit Lions have won TWO playoff games in the same season.

Vikings have not done it since Reagan was in the White House.
 

howeda7 said:
If it goes out at the 2 inch line you keep it. If it goes out 2 inches over the goal line the other team gets it AND 20 yards. It's idiotic. Move it to the 20 but let the offense keep it.
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Sacred ground in the end of zone. Don't cough it up. I like the rewarding of the defense for coming big there.
 

howeda7 said:
If it goes out at the 2 inch line you keep it. If it goes out 2 inches over the goal line the other team gets it AND 20 yards. It's idiotic. Move it to the 20 but let the offense keep it.
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There is nothing wrong with the rule. Offense lost the ball, they don’t deserve to keep it. A vast majority of the rules favor the offense. This is one that doesn’t and should not be changed.
 


RememberMurray said:
Defining success is indeed arbitrary.

Cousins has easily hit every one of those benchmarks — many of them multiple times — and many posters here say he is not successful, because the Vikings don't win enough with him at QB.
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I do think winning pct should be one of the benchmarks included. I mean, the point of all this is to win.
 


forever a gopher said:
Get a good QB and he stays healthy, and you'll be relevant as a team for the next 10-15 years.
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Guys, it's just this easy! Just do this! Choose to do this!! Why doesn't every coach staff attempt this every 2-3 year if they haven't won the Super Bowl???

Oh ... right ..... because many have tried and failed.
 

Ope3 said:
Sacred ground in the end of zone. Don't cough it up. I like the rewarding of the defense for coming big there.
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They didn't come up big. They didn't recover the ball.

That's the entire point.
 

GFBfan said:
There is nothing wrong with the rule. Offense lost the ball, they don’t deserve to keep it.
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I see, so you want the rules changed so that if the offense ever fumbles the ball and it rolls out of bounds before either team can recover it, anywhere on the field, then it's automatically a turnover.

I disagree with that. That would be a terrible rule.
 

Ope3 said:
4-4 is "clear and obvious success"?
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:rolleyes:

The Chargers loss was a travesty.

Chiefs are in the AFC Championship for sixth time in a row. Bucs were right there with a solid chance to make the NFC Championship. Eagles went downhill badly, but at the time we were sent on the road with short rest to the defending NFC champion.


Cousins wins every. game. that those backups won, and by more points.

Cousins wins the Broncos, Bears, and Bengals games that we had to try hard to lose.


So, try again: 10-4. That's what we would've "started" with Cousins staying healthy at QB, playing as well as he was when he got injured.

Last three games, you never know. Defense getting injured and falling off a cliff would've been tough .... but then again Cousins won 13 games in 2022 with zero defense, if I recall correctly?
 


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