We have been stellar at finding ways to win games at the end so part of me kept thinking we would find a way.
But u r correct. Going to be very frustrating if this is our starting oline again next season. Zero push in the red zone.
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We have been stellar at finding ways to win games at the end so part of me kept thinking we would find a way.
But u r correct. Going to be very frustrating if this is our starting oline again next season. Zero push in the red zone.
I think it's a pretty good class of free agent guards.
Which is why you don't sign Darnold.
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Detroit blitzed a ton it seemed. Goff was getting rid of the ball quickly to wide open receivers when the Vikings did that. Darnold was holding onto the ball much longer, either because he wasn't seeing open guys or the receivers weren't winning in 1 on 1 situations.
Anyone know where to find specific stats like blitz rate from last night?
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saw this in a tweet from @OptaStats
The Vikings tonight:
4 times reaching red zone but not scoring a TD
3 times having goal-to-go but not scoring a TD
2 failed 4th-and-goal attempts
1 missed FG
No other NFL team in the last 30 years has done all of that in the same game.
The Vikings tonight:
4 times reaching red zone but not scoring a TD
3 times having goal-to-go but not scoring a TD
2 failed 4th-and-goal attempts
1 missed FG
No other NFL team in the last 30 years has done all of that in the same game.
Pro bowler Trey Smith is the highest rated guard coming out. Other teams have lots of cap space as well so will be a bidding war for his services. How nice would it be to have a guard who could actually move the pile.
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Roberto,
You already throwing in the towel and yelping, “No mas!”
When the going gets tough
The tough don’t eat
kabobs - at least in Anoka
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I'm back to the real world of grilled cheese sandwiches and tomato soup now.Roberto,
You already throwing in the towel and yelping, “No mas!”
When the going gets tough
The tough don’t eat
My guess is Darnold cost himself $30-45M last night on his next contract (if he's not franchised) with that Ponder performance.
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I know it's probably not this simple but I feel like Darnold is playing for his future with the Vikings next Monday.
I think it is. There's virtually no chance they will give him a multi-year deal. But they still might franchise him. Another train-wreck and 1st round exit and I think that door closes too.
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Per Jeremy Fowler, they don’t plan on tagging him, too much $. Per Fowler, he was in BakerVille ~3/$100M with a hefty guarantee, prio to yesterday’s debacle.
I would guess/think he knows more about his salary projections than we do
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Ironic that the Online played one of its best/or best games last week and then laysan egg the week after
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I honestly don't know/even favor one way or another what the Vikings should do with Darnold going forward but I would hope 1 bad performance in an otherwise very productive season does not sway KOC-KAM in either direction.
Maybe he ate a bad sammich.
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Franchising Darnold for $41 million makes zero sense when the Vikings have many FAs, holes to fill, only 3 draft picks, none on day 2, and a highly talented rookie waiting for his turn.
One game, just like one season, is not the end all to be all, but I soured quite a bit on KOC last night. If he gets throughly out-coached again by McVay next week, as badly has he did by Campbell last night and his entire career so far, I might start listening to those trade offers for him.
Promote Flores, and I think McCown could be the next OC/QB coach. Just a thought that I'm sure most of you will hate.
One game, just like one season, is not the end all to be all, but I soured quite a bit on KOC last night. If he gets throughly out-coached again by McVay next week, as badly has he did by Campbell last night and his entire career so far, I might start listening to those trade offers for him.
Promote Flores, and I think McCown could be the next OC/QB coach. Just a thought that I'm sure most of you will hate.
Should probably trade Jefferson too...
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Per Jeremy Fowler, they don’t plan on tagging him, too much $. Per Fowler, he was in BakerVille ~3/$100M with a hefty guarantee, prio to yesterday’s debacle.
I would guess/think he knows more about his salary projections than we do
Almost exactly what I was saying in the "Which QB do the Vikings draft" thread a week and a half ago.
Which QB do the Vikes draft in 2024?
You've hit on most of them, but I think there are 7 teams who will need a new QB next season. There are likely only 2 worth drafting and starting right away out of next year's draft. Last year was the draft to take a QB and that's why the Vikings took JJ. That leaves 5 teams for a bidding war...
Could be even lower depending on how next Monday goes.
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Might as well include Royce as well
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Dumb and nothing to do with what I said
I was going to mention that but the logistics are tough. The Pohlads would probably sell him to the Vikings for straight cash to enable it.Might as well include Royce as well
Sure it does. If we're tearing down a 14-3 team by trading the head coach, may as well go full rebuild. Or perhaps trading the coach is not a rational reaction to a bad game.
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interesting note from The Athletic: how teams fared the week after playing the Lions this season:
Teams are 6-10 with a minus-108 point differential in their next game after playing the Lions this season. Three of the six wins were against New England, another was against Chicago and another was against Dallas without Dak Prescott.
Teams are 6-10 with a minus-108 point differential in their next game after playing the Lions this season. Three of the six wins were against New England, another was against Chicago and another was against Dallas without Dak Prescott.
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The Vikings are the oldest snap adjusted team in the NFL right now. The rebuilding has to happen at some point and we only have 3 draft picks.
KOC may go 13-4 and 14-3 over two regular seasons and have zero playoff wins to show for it. When has KOC out coached anyone in a big game?
Or perhaps you're ok with not winning postseason games and watching a coach make his QB do 5 step drop backs the entire game. This includes in the red zone near the goal line and when the OL is struggling to block anyone.
The Vikings have come out ahead on so many of these one possession games, yet how many of those should have never been one possession games in the first place because the Vikings never put anyone away? Including against GB last week? KOC deserves more criticism than he gets.
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I don't even know what to do with most of this but as far as the age of the roster, you need to take that with a grain of salt. The average age is heavily influenced by Harrison Smith, Gilmore, Quessenberry and the f*ng long snapper DePaola (37). A quick scan of the Vikings roster and it's hard to find an impact player over 30 (outside of those guys, and Smith/Gilmore were never going to be long term building blocks).
And as far as putting teams away, it sounds like your issue is with the Flores defense not holding up late in games, which I think most would agree with. Flores has been anointed as some kind of genius, sure-to-be HC, and at the end of the day, the Vikings are barely getting by defensively, especially late in games.
Outcoached? For the most part, winning close games is almost always coaching. A small sample size is one thing, but when it's happened as much as it has in the last 3 years, it's not by accident.
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Oops. Ice cold takes from July 29, 2024 (both above and below). I'm glad I added the disclaimer, pre-JJM injury.
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This is the old Ravens/Steelers phenomenon; going back a decade or almost 2, you always wanted to bet on teams playing someone who had just played one of those two teams.
I'm not ready to come close to putting the Lions in that category just yet. There are a lot of bad teams in the NFL right now
Going into last night's game, KOC owned a coaching reputation maybe second only to Andy Reid.
That reputation took a hit. If Vikes lose to Rams, will take another hit.
Huge challenge now for KOC. Can he regroup the team and beat the Rams? Then maybe even go into Ford Field a week later and beat the Lions?
A 14-3 record is not to be taken for granted, but the best coaches can win on the biggest stage. If lose Monday, KOC will be 0-3 on the big stage.
Could certainly be true also that we just don't have the horses. In that case, the best coaches come back with better talent. Will that happen next season. Time will tell.
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When you’re in the conversation with John Madden, first best all-time winning %, in one score games, that’s amazing company to be in, ergo, not a disaster
Kevin O'Connell is in rare company winning one-score games
Since Kevin O’Connell took over as head coach, the Vikings have played plenty of one-score games. Just this past weekend, Minnesota went back down to the wire as it usually does. The Vikings …
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Kevin O'Connell is in rare company winning one-score games
Guy Chamberlin: .759 (22-7-7) (coached from 1920-27)
John Madden: .732 (40-14-7)
Kevin O’Connell: .727 (24-9)
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Nah. He blew it all last night. Trade him. Stock up on picks. What did the Raiders get for Gruden again? That worked out well.When you’re in the conversation with John Madden, first best all-time winning %, in one score games, that’s amazing company to be in
Kevin O'Connell is in rare company winning one-score games
Since Kevin O’Connell took over as head coach, the Vikings have played plenty of one-score games. Just this past weekend, Minnesota went back down to the wire as it usually does. The Vikings …
Kevin O'Connell is in rare company winning one-score games
Guy Chamberlin: .759 (22-7-7) (coached from 1920-27)
John Madden: .732 (40-14-7)
Kevin O’Connell: .727 (24-9)
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The Vikings were supposed to win 6 games this year. $72M in dead money for 2024, this was the season that the Front Office identified to finally pay the piper and take the hit on some of the previous regime's bad contracts; most notably, Cousins and Hunter coming off the books.
So the teams trying to trade for him are suckers? What will we get? A 3rd and 4th?
For the record, I'd say he out-coached Matt LaFluer in a big game about 8 days ago. Talk about a guy who keeps failing in the play-offs. The Packers should trade him too.